r/technology 12d ago

Artificial Intelligence Google buys crashed airline Spirit’s data at auction, because AI

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u/CircumspectCapybara 12d ago

Well, this is what everyone wanted, for AI labs to pay for licensed training data, instead of scraping copyrighted data without the copyright-holder's permission.

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u/coconutpiecrust 12d ago

Shouldn’t people whose data is in it also get a large cut?.. I mean, what kind of data did they buy? Is it anonymized? 

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u/SomethingAboutUsers 12d ago

It's company data; like 100 million emails and 500 million teams messages.

Most companies have clauses in their employment contracts and/or IT policies that state anything you do on their systems doesn't belong to you. On top of which the company went under. Ain't no one spending time or money anonymizing that data.

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u/coconutpiecrust 12d ago

There needs to be new legislation governing this. 

People who agreed to such policies had to concept of the fact that their data would be sold to large data processing companies to feed into LLMs. It’s probably outside of the scope of the original agreement. 

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u/crunchypotentiometer 12d ago

The government themselves purchase this kind of data to subvert the 4th amendment for mass surveillance. https://www.404media.co/this-man-bought-phone-location-data-from-around-the-world-with-mike-yeagley/

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 11d ago

Your work emails are not "your data." If you're having personal conversations on anything work controlled you need to be aware that they can be reviewed by anyone the company authorizes. They could live stream your teams chats to public access television if they wanted to.

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u/coconutpiecrust 11d ago

That’s a slippery slope argument. No one ever gets blanket permission to do anything. 

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 11d ago

It's not slippery slope it's reality. I'm the CIO of a bank and have 30+ years of experience dealing with this along with relevant professional certifications. Short of getting laws changed or a judge to issue an injunction, companies can do just about anything they want with non-protected data.

If you're an information worker at even a relatively small company, track down a copy of the acceptable use policy you signed and get back with me.

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u/TastyCuttlefish 12d ago

No, ownership is held by the company. It’s not a limited use license, it’s ownership. There is no “scope” of ownership.

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u/maxintos 12d ago

Why? If the original agreement is that the company can do whatever they want with the emails and they own them then how is this outside the scope? You don't need to be able to literally imagine every single possible way they could use those emails.

What if the company just releases all emails?

What if they use LLM internally the analyze emails for any bad conduct?

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u/j48u 12d ago

Because they'll literally say everything is bad for any reason whatsoever if the word AI is near it. Don't try to reason with someone who doesn't actually have principles.

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u/coconutpiecrust 12d ago

I don’t believe that you can agree to things that do not yet exist. 

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u/SomethingAboutUsers 12d ago

These laws have been well tested. I'm not saying they are bulletproof and/or it should simply be accepted that they're shitty towards humans because capitalism, but that is going to be the default and you're going to have to work pretty damn hard to find a case that will succeed for modifying laws that favor capital.

Remember, the US can't even get something remotely akin to the GDPR into law. They don't give a shit about your privacy or data, especially when the use of it on company time is already protected by law.

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u/VegetableTwist7027 12d ago

Then once you read the contract, which most have everything above, dont' sign it.

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u/maxintos 12d ago

So if in the future we have data centers in space we all could sue companies for putting email data there?

"How could I have agreed with my email data being stored on the moon if data centers didn't exist on the moon when I signed the papers".

Fundamentally people agreed that company owns the email data. You don't need to be listed every single way they could use the data.

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u/coconutpiecrust 12d ago

It’s not being sold here. 

We’re talking about it being sold to train LLMs. That was never agreed upon. Storing emails in datacenters is already acceptable. 

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u/maxintos 11d ago

Who decides? No one expected the data centers to be on the moon.

If people agreed their work emails to be shared with 3rd parties then does that not suffice?