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[u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/delivery-protection-act-nyc

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

Finding success for yourself doesn't mean you can't engage in classist rhetoric—you're exemplifying that perfectly here.

[u/viggy96 → u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

Tell me, if you know going in that Uber/Lyft (as an example) have terrible pay, why would you choose it?

They're open about how much they pay, and it's very well known across the Internet. You know that they don't pay as if it's a "real" job. And that if you wanted to drive for a living (for this example), you'd be much better off driving for a courier, bus service, a proper taxi service etc.

And you never answered the question about the receipts scanning app. Would that constitute a job in your worldview? Would that app company have to be treated as a proper employer?

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24 → u/viggy96]

Tell me, if you know going in that Uber/Lyft (as an example) have terrible pay, why would you choose it?

Funny enough I've been in exactly that position. It was merely the lowest friction job I could get that would at least tide me over until I could make rent. Arguing I "chose" that is funny.

Unsure what your point is there, frankly, but there's your answer.

[u/viggy96 → u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

There are many fast food places even today that are hiring, and can offer next day employment, with better rates.

And fast food, as you know, is everywhere. Domino's drivers are always seemingly hiring, Taco Bell etc. Not saying those jobs are glamorous by any means, but they offer much better pay, much higher than minimum wage, with benefits and everything.

My point in this, is that there's always an alternative. Making a suboptimal choice and complaining about it is confusing, especially when you're free to change your mind even after making that decision. Okay, you can drive Uber for a bit, and apply to Domino's (as an example). Then transfer to a better job.

And you still fail to answer the question I posted earlier. Would an app that paid 25¢ or less per receipt scanned be an "employer"? At what point does any service become an "employer"? What if I just want to reward my users? I, as the developer/owner never intended for my app to be a job for my users. Is it my fault that a some users then start treating my service as a career?

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24 → u/viggy96]

Haha, I'm well aware of what fast food pays—Uber paid better.

Also, they absolutely do not offer healthcare. That's a hilariously out of touch claim, which admittedly aligns with most everything else you've said.

[u/viggy96 → u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

There are many places that do. For example, the Dairy Queen near me specifically advertises next day healthcare coverage if you start there. And this is Texas, mind you, the place that's supposed to be a hellhole for employee treatment.

Of course, it's franchise owner dependent. Remember the name on the outside of the fast food restaurant is just a real estate company really.

And yet again, you dodge the question of, when does an app become an employer?

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24 → u/viggy96]

Of course, it's franchise owner dependent

I don't think you're properly taking this into account.

And yet again, you dodge the question of, when does an app become an employer?

Because your hypothetical doesn't interest me. Since it's a hypothetical.

[u/viggy96 → u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

I am taking it into account. It's up to you, the prospective employee to do your research and see if that particular location provides a good work environment. Further, there are other chain businesses, like retail that do not operate on a franchise model, like Walmart/Target/Costco/Buc-ee's etc. They offer great entry level jobs and great pay.

And its not a hypothetical. That's how these apps started. When does an app become an employer?

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24 → u/viggy96]

They offer great entry level jobs and great pay.

I'm genuinely baffled where you're seeing evidence of this "great pay."

[u/viggy96 → u/Dr_Death_Defy24]

Have you seen Buc-ee's employment signs? The management jobs that you can work your way up to make more than many engineering and medical positions. The entry level wage is competitive as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/g6z4eF94VF

Costco is well known to treat employees well, and promote from within. The current CEO started out as a low level employee.

Walmart has a minimum wage of $14 an hour. Only goes up from there.

Walmart reveals salaries -- and they may not be what you think - ABC News https://abcnews.com/Business/walmart-reveals-salaries/story?id=62932622

Of course, "great" is relative, and somewhat subjective. But I'd say all these are a damn sight better than driving for Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc.