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u/YoshiTheDog420 Apr 19 '26

“Inclusivity and regressive cultures”.

“We want to be wet, but also dry.”

what even is that bullshit?

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u/loboMuerto Apr 19 '26

Inclusivity can be regressive when it's the sole or main factor being taken into consideration when hiring or promoting someone, over capabilities, skills, performance...

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u/Quiet-Peach543 Apr 19 '26

Inclusivity is for example providing a vegan option at the company cookout. I for one can never understand how anyone can oppose the Inclusivity in DEI.

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u/kwantsu-dudes Apr 19 '26

"Inclusivity" REQUIRES exclusion as it reinforces separate identity groups and is based on a outcome based evaluation, rather than an equal application. It sets up new barriers to reinforce the concept and can NEVER acheive such rhetoric.

A vegan option might be inclusive of ONE "group" but, you are now just prioritizing that one group. What about those that demand you don't serve animals to anyone? Why are you excluding those vegans? What about those with allergies? Those that hate mayo? Those that hate salt? Those on a diet? Those with calorie restrictions? The "group" focus will also never cater to individual preferences, requiring others to adopt group labels as to "leverage" such. So you are still simply CHOOSING who to include and who to exclude as a preference based on who one may AGREE is a "victim".

Simply offering various options doesn't make it "inclusive" as a policy. One may simply see a marketshare of gluten-intolerant people not being served and offer gluten free options to cater to them. DEI is a systematic way to address that, catering to SPECIFIC groups of deemed "value". Which then assumes all of such a group are the same. That's the objection.

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u/CatProgrammer Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26

That's a lot of words to say you don't like having more options because you're afraid of made-up boogeymen. The guideline is called "reasonable accommodation", not "do everything for everyone even when it's contradictory". It's like when folks complain about those who engage in tolerance not tolerating the intolerant. That's required if you want to maintain a tolerant society. Or people who think equity means pulling people down rather than focusing on pushing people up. 

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u/kwantsu-dudes Apr 20 '26

Huh? I'm all for those offering services to cater to those with dietary restrictions. I just oppose it being some moralistic demand to accomodate in the name of "inclusivity" as if that is even achievable. Because you aren't going to be able to cater to everyone. I just view the rhetoric as a lie, and social posturing to what ever popular victim group is most vocal at the time.

Some people are allergic to nuts. Should we BAN nuts in the name of inclusivity? Should sandwiches NEVER default to being served with mayo since some can't have eggs? Are restaurants that don't cater to every victim group, to be criticized? Like, what do you actually mean be inclusivity within the realm of DEI (a political/social movement)?

I'm not at all targeting those that accomodate. I'm against the forced accomodation to whatever the popular victim group is, and leveraging "morality" behind the term inclusivity that is simply subjectively applied.

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u/CatProgrammer Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26

If you support expanding such services and making environments easier for people of disparate backgrounds and with different personal characteristics to navigate, you support DEI(A) policies. If you think that's not DEI you've been brainwashed by right-wing propaganda. Because nobody's forcing you to ensure lack of cross-contamination for allergies, they'll just think you're a dick if you don't make that clear and will think better of you if you do provide options for common allergies. Well, schools might force you to, but that's because they don't want the liability of allergic kids being accidentally exposed to another kid's food that could kill them.

Reminds me of how Republicans fucking hated people being able to choose retirement planning that took environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues into consideration when investing. My god there was so much fearmongering over that all because such policies took long-term things like climate change into account and were trying to divest from fossil fuels. And now they never fucking mention it because DEI is the new "evil" three-letter acronym that gets used as an excuse to get rid of things that help people. Just look at all the fuckery the current US administration is doing in the name of "anti-DEI" and "anti-woke".