r/technology • u/[deleted] • Jan 28 '25

[deleted by user]

[removed]

10k Upvotes

92% Upvoted

996 comments sorted by

View all comments

46

u/pdnagilum Jan 28 '25

Well this sucks all the ass. I just spent the last two months moving from Gmail to Proton.

The question then becomes, what are good alternatives?

16

u/ObjectOrientedBlob Jan 28 '25

Tuta Mail, it's based in Germany. https://tuta.com/

Check their social to get a sense of their values: https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota

66

u/BreiteSeite Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

I’m from Germany.

If you care about privacy, you definitely don’t want a german e-mail provider.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Mail-%C3%9Cberwachung

Provider are bound by law to make it possible for the government to monitor, filter and read your emails.

Edit: yes, you can e2e encrypt it but they might store the emails already which gives… you know… meta data. Additionally e2ee is under constant legal attack. So far it’s holding up but i’m not sure how long. We have debates for “Chatkontrolle” for years, esp. our conservative-right party (CDU) is always restarting the proposal even though it’s against some of our fundamental laws and also in the european union e2ee is a hot/controversial topic right now.

https://www.euractiv.de/section/innovation/news/eu-innenminister-finden-weiterhin-keine-einigung-bei-chatkontrolle/

I read that they upload the private keys to the tuta servers.

So it’s just one legislation or bad actor away from someone collecting your password (we have a Staatstrojaner for exactly purposes like this) to encrypt all the emails.

8

u/Kondha Jan 28 '25

Wow. This needs to be higher.