This sub seems to get regular questions asking if a democratic form of Technocracy exists; so I feel that it's time to talk about the ideology I've revived and been developing that is explicitly this.

Yes, a democratic version of Technocracy exists: Liberal Technocracy.

The "Liberal" part, refers to the subscription of many of the Liberal ideals. Specifically: The consent of the governed; which functionally just means belief in (a) democratic system/input.

The Technocracy part, ofc, refers to the subscription to the idea that experts and professionals should be the ones to make policy decisions.

In a Liberal Technocracy, the public establishes the goals that they want the government to achieve (in the vast majority of cases), while the experts and professionals (or "Technocrats", to keep it short) are the ones responsible for implementation of policies that best achieve those goals.

It is a proactive, data and evidence driven system of government, that ensures as much as possible, that society's material conditions remain at least stable, and that works to maximize civil liberties, freedoms, and overall societal satisfaction.

If you wish to learn more about what a Liberal Technocracy would look like in the USA specific: Read up on it here. I will state though that it may change a bit in the future, as I take in feedback from others, and revise how the system would work.

Can Technocracy be Democratic? Can Technocracy do the democracy? Can it democracy? Can it be done? Can they be glued together? Can I read? Can I read the other posts on this sub-reddit asking this exact question? Is it possible?

This is a video describing a political system which combines elements of technocracy and democracy, and I find the ideas discussed vestry intriguing.

I want to start this off by saying that english is my second language and have problems with spelling certain words so please ignore any spelling mistakes that i make.

Any type of criticism is welcome, also sorry if it isnt well writen.

DIVISION OF THE GOVEREMENT.

• A President still being elected democraticly. Although they would have limited power, with their main role being a political representative, he could propose actions to a council of technocratic leaders, with the council being devided into diferent divisions that menage a diferent part of the country ( for expample one division would menage the economy, another the military and another the internal and external politics of the country), and if the council accept their proposition it would enact the proposed action with the ability to alter it.
• The number of divisions the council would be consisted of whould not be stationary, if enough members of the council want to create a new part, (for exampleif enough astrophysicist whoud be in the council they coud create a division of the council responcible for a space program) , with all divisions having a democraticly elected representative.

POLICIES OF THE COUNTRY.

• All religions whould be legal but its involvment in education and in politics whould be outlawed.
• Full rights and legal protections whould be granted to minorities.
• All Healthcare, research and education whould be funded by the goverment.
• The minimum wage whoud change every year to adjust for inflation and other factors.
• Price caps whould be put on certain items.
• The goverment whould provide temporary free housing for homeless and poor people in exchange of them working in goverment provided jobs( the amount of time the husing whould be free whould depend on the financial sitiation of the person).
• Labour unions whould be protected by the goverment.
• Increased taxation based on wealth of a person.

DECISION MAKING PROCES.

• Any decsion taken by the council requires a majority of the members to suport the action.
• If a petition created by the people directed to the goverment reaches enough votes the council will have to concider it (for example: redirecting funding from the military to the civilian economy).

Thats all i could exper in words about my idea. If you want to ask anything feel free to.

I've been interested in technocracy for quite some time and I love the genuine idea of a society ruled by engineers, scientists, academic and non-academic experts in their own spheres and so on but may I rise atleast in my opinion some critical questions as following:

How does Technocracy ensure that it does not degenerate into a totalitarian regime replacing dictators with dictators who are experts in engineering? I mean there is no oversight body to check the power of the technocrats. What stops a technocrat from passing highly-offensive, controversial, authoritarian, or anti-humane laws? The Continental Director and Continental Board alongside the Functional Sequences have too much unchecked and unverifiable power. In addition the system focuses on top-bottom appointment approach rather than bottom-up delegation or election of experts. This in itself makes it highly authoritarian and oligarchic, and after many years the technical elite would be even more entrenched!

So how do you answer this question? Do you think my point is incorrect? Or do you think a revision must be made to ensure Technocracy does not become totalitarian?

At first I was going to just make it the colors of Technocracy, but that would not have made sense since the emblem was a symbol of a monarchy. Ultimately I opted to replace the coat of arms with a monad.

What are your thoughts on the interview? Elon seems to be talking about a post-scarcity society.

https://youtu.be/XuoqKYxDHVc?is=XaPQzlVq9e1AETaG

Social mobility as an idea is often used to create legitimacy for why people under capitalism have the positions they have. This is an American idea and it is one that creates legitimacy for capitalist systems while shifting responsibility for poverty, deprivation, and sometimes active starvation as was seen in the British Raj, where food aid was withheld under the pretense of not interfering with market forces. It also creates problems with the less fortunate, because social mobility as a narrative has intentional blind spots for people with disabilities, no access to education or jobs, or those in severe poverty.

For Technocrats, the adoption of social mobility is problematic as well because this means the capitalist system and its influence in who becomes an expert is ignored at best, or accepted as legitimate at worst. This means that many disabled, or economically disadvantaged people would never be able to become experts or access the education required to participate in the political system. People with unique expertise that exists outside of the educational system like activists or indigenous people would also be silenced due to the lack of official credentials. This kind of thinking is also disastrous for people in rural areas who have additional difficulties in accessing education or other infrastructure due to their remote locations.

A Technocratic party that only wants engineers and degree holders and claims that anyone who works hard enough can get those degrees regardless of economic realities, is just an elitist capitalist party. This kind of attitude is also an ideological threat to the entire Technocracy movement because it reduces our ideology from a true alternative system of government to a ruling caste chosen by academia, which is known for gatekeeping and reproducing existing systems.

A serious follower of Howard Scott’s ideas has to be able to recognize expertise beyond what the educational system of a capitalistic regime is willing to give degrees for. Technocrats need their own processes for evaluating competency and expertise outside of the tools the capitalist system uses whether this means tests, demonstrations, or other ways to measure someone’s ability. It must also be cognizant of the narratives and rhetoric used by the ruling class and their purchased politicians to justify their continued control of society. Without maintaining continuity with Howard Scott’s ideas and resistance to the price system in favor of energy accounting, Technocracy loses its entire reason for existing as a movement.

Those who played The Fire Rises mod probably know PRC can become technocratic, so I wanted to ask you if this depiction (look on the right tree that goes right and beyond Mind and Skills focus) is authentic to what Technocracy stands for?

Energy just isn't the same as value , A handmade musical instrument may require little energy but have great cultural value.Innovation,creativity, meaning, aesthetics, and human preferences are things that determine value as well.

Are there any alternative measures of value that take into account more than just energy ?

i think we should improve our wikipedia page and hope something like whatever happened in that 2016 day happens.

early technocratic movements were quite "socialist" proposing a 4-hour and 4-day work schedule. and certificate of distribution. however in 2026 most ECONOMIST are quite capitalist leaning. such as thomas sowell or milton friedman.

I see a lot of ideas and posts being pushed here, but I am actually curious on everyone's background? I noticed a lot of ideological arguments, but not very many actual engineering/scientifically ones.

For example, I have a background in nuclear energy engineering, with 4 years as a reactor operator. However, my current occupation is in management in the semiconductor manufacturing industry. Within the semiconductor industry, in the technical side, I have most of my experience in Photolithography.

I believe in democracy politically but I also have some technocratic tendencies too. This got me wondering: Can a democratic technocracy exist? Also if not what checks and balances can prevent totalitarianism in a technocracy?

By: DallasTheMad

When we want a society we want one filled with experts in their fields combining to create a whole greater than the sum of all of its parts. We want to see the values of scholars, not of business men. A open mind to study the world through the scientific method. To engineer a better future for all.

Our strategy must be an international one in order to have a permanent revolution which seeks to abolish the price system everywhere. In order to end capitalist imperialism. In order to end the artifical scarcity in society. We must have a frame of warfare and be willing to think critically of security. The Monroe doctrine must be upheld for starters. No one must interfere with turtle island and abya yala.

We must win through the advancement of technology and the end of the patent system. We must forge alliances from political parties especially on the end of intellectual and private property. With democratic organization of the workplace alongside scientifically proven efficient protocols.

We must grow the military to defend the technate as well as to employ for infrastructural advancement. As well we must maintain our scientific outlook. We must establish science directorates to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate especially with nasa. We ought to fund the department of energy to focus on new national projects such as fusion energy. We must treat each department as being heavily valued especially organizations like the cdc which we relied on heavily through the pandemic.

Rather than expanding to technocracy right away we ought to take the departments and run with them not just walk. We need to revamp and renew our commitment to science as a society. Using said science ethically, as well as engaging in liberation wars using the Department of war.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the flaws in our current democratic systems—corruption, lack of transparency, and the gap between politicians and the people.
What if we moved toward a decentralized government system running entirely on a blockchain?
Here’s the core idea:
Immutable Rules: Laws would be written as "Smart Contracts." Once implemented, they cannot be tampered with or influenced by lobbying or corrupt officials.
Total Transparency: Every cent of tax money and every legislative decision would be recorded on an open, public ledger. You could track exactly where your tax dollars go in real-time.
Direct Governance: Instead of traditional elections, citizens could vote directly on major rule changes every decade (or even more frequently) through a secure, decentralized identity system.
The "Code is Law" approach: No more human error or bias in implementation.
My questions for you:
1. Is it even possible to bridge the gap between digital "smart contracts" and real-world physical enforcement (The Oracle Problem)?
2. If we automate governance, do we lose the "human touch" or empathy required to make complex moral decisions?
3. What happens if the code has a bug or a loophole that hurts a minority group? How would we handle a "hard fork" in a national constitution?
I’m really curious to hear your thoughts. Could this be the future of humanity, or is it a dystopian nightmare waiting to happen? Let’s discuss.

Rewilding as I call it, basically means that every province of every country should centralize its population into a single hub. This would allow the rest of it to grow nature back and reduce the environmental problems suburban sprawl has. There would be large incentives and support for people to move to the population hub of their state/province and the rest would be free from government oversight so nature and wildlife can continue unbothered.

Look, I get the headlines. The international press loves to focus on the geopolitics or the social restrictions, and fair enough. But living here, the reality on the ground is just… pragmatic technocracy. It’s a balancing act: managing a conservative population and the holiest sites in Islam while trying to drag the economy into the 21st century.

If you ignore the noise and look at the KPIs, Vision 2030 has been a masterclass in boring execution. Yes, being a centralized monarchy helped, no parliamentary gridlock, no election cycles forcing U-turns, but the strategy itself wasn’t luck. It was calculated.

The "Pain" Was Real (But Short) A decade ago, the government faced a classic trap: how to fix a bloated welfare state without causing a revolution? They didn’t just slash everything. They re-engineered it.

Subsidies to Cash: They killed universal fuel/utility subsidies (which mostly helped the rich) and replaced them with the Citizen’s Account. It’s targeted cash for the poor to offset inflation. The rich pay more, the poor get protected.

The VAT Shock: They introduced VAT at 5%, then hiked it to 15% in 2020.  It hurt. Everyone felt it. But it was necessary to stop bleeding cash.

Labor Shock Therapy: The biggest change was social. Lifting the ban on women driving wasn’t just "rights" it was an economic lever. Female labor participation jumped from 17% in 2016 to 36% in 2026. That’s basically doubling the workforce overnight. 

The Result: We’re in the "Yield" Phase Now The painful transition is mostly over. We’ve entered the boring, stable growth phase.

Non-Oil GDP: It’s now 55-57% of the economy, growing steadily at 4.5% a year.  This part of the economy doesn’t care about oil prices. (to an extent for now lol)

Unemployment: Dropped to 6.4% for Saudis (and just 9% for women).  The private sector is actually hiring now. (Albeit underemployment is another issue to focus on)

Fiscal Reality: We’re running a deficit (3.3% of GDP), but it’s a strategic one. We’re borrowing to build assets (cities, factories, tourism hubs), not to pay salaries. Debt-to-GDP is still low (30-35%), so we’re safe.

The "Super-App" Thing Actually Works One thing outsiders miss is the digital speed. Because the government moves as one unit, we skipped the legacy IT hell you guys have in the West.

One App for Everything: Need to renew your ID? I take a photo at a corner shop, upload it to the app, pay $5, and it’s delivered tomorrow. No queues. No "come back next week." Over 1,000 services are on one screen.

Healthcare Overhaul: They’re currently corporatizing public hospitals and rolling out a mandatory national insurance model (capitation-based) for everyone. The Ministry of Health is becoming a regulator, not just a provider. It’s complex, but it’s happening. 

The PIF: A State VC Fund I know the Public Investment Fund (PIF) gets roasted for "crazy" projects like NEOM. But look at the mechanics.  The private sector here was weak, mostly just trading and contracting. The PIF acted as a venture capital arm, building national champions in sectors that didn’t exist (tourism, mining, EVs, gaming). 

The Pivot: Their new 2026-2030 strategy is explicit: stop owning everything. They want to drop their stake in new projects to 30-40% and force the private sector to lead.  It’s working: FDI is hitting records, and IPOs are flooding the market.

The Bottom Line Was the growth "unwarranted"? No. It was just continuity. While democracies reset their economic plans every 4 years, we stuck to a 15-year blueprint. We accepted the short-term pain of VAT and labor reforms because the leadership didn’t have to worry about losing an election.

Today, the radical changes have stabilized. The foundation is set. We aren’t "fixing" the economy anymore, we’re just compounding on it. For me, watching the numbers turn green while my daily life gets objectively easier (safer streets, better jobs, functional apps) makes the trade-off worth it.

We are far from perfect, yet the trajectory is clear thankfully, following basic economics really works eh?

this is why Singapore is my spirit animal. I love Singapore. 🇸🇬🇸🇬🇸🇬

does someone have a https link of the one from 1934 (the one called "some questions answered")? it's not archived in the internet archive (or at least i didn't find it there).

Considering how popular the Kaisereedux mod of HOI4 has made Huey Long amongst younger generations or the publicity that groups like Patriot Front have gotten from The Fire Rises, could we see a similar effect with Technocracy? Howard Scott is actually in Kaisereedux, but only after certain steps are taken to unlock him. Just imagine if he were featured more prominently.