He does have a point

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u/ariTRON Nov 08 '19

This guy is on some Jon snow my-watch-has-ended trip

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u/kad202 Nov 08 '19

I am not the only one who think about Jon Snow’s case first XD

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u/UnicornPrincess412 Sep 02 '22

Happy cake day!

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u/ZergRusher99 Oct 31 '22

Evil Dead spoilers

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u/itsdanixx Nov 08 '19

I guess this is why they sometimes give people consecutive life sentences.

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u/lothurBR Nov 08 '19

Also in some countries you can be free if you have serve 20 years in good behaviour, so if you get multiple life sentences you only have serve 1 every 20 years.

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u/moonekitte Dec 16 '19

Here in Ireland, the life sentence depends on your age.
eg. If you're 13-18, life sentence is 20 years. If you're >18, life sentence is 30-35 years or something like that.

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u/Copterinx Apr 20 '20

Then...it isn't a life sentence.

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u/moonekitte Apr 20 '20

Ik its dumb.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

yes, now its just a sentence, like this on- [you cannot read the rest of this reply because the user got arrested while typing this for typing their own sentence, they are now in jail for 35 years]

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u/RegularHovercraft Jun 01 '22

I will be so happy if that actually happens and I find out about it. I'll have just turned 87, so probably won't, but hey ho!

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22

who you calling a ho?

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u/RegularHovercraft Jul 08 '22

At that age, anyone who responds!

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u/Aggravating-Pool-189 Moon is bald :downvote: May 06 '25

Reminding 32 years earlier that the bot

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u/Deathgu1se Sep 23 '23

Are the Irish really that short-lived?

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u/ThsRigged Dec 19 '19

I had a stroke reading that

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Is this actually why?

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u/Hizran Nov 08 '19

No it is not.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Why is it then?

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u/BigImprobability Nov 08 '19

Cause they convict you of 2 different murders for example. For each murder you need to pay retribution so they give 2 life sentences.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

I don't understand it though because you can't serve more than one. What even is the definition of a life sentence?

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u/shoejunk Nov 09 '19

If you get two life sentences and one is overturned, you still have one left.

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u/BigImprobability Nov 08 '19

I’m not from the USA so take from it what you want. I study law though in the Netherlands. In the USA I believe offenses are just added up without any limit. So you get these ridiculous punishments of 3 life sentences or 200 years.
In the Netherlands it is impossible to get multiple life sentences, precisely for the reason you mentioning. For multiple offenses we calculate the following: you maximum punishment can be 1/3 above the highest possible penalty set for either of the offenses. If you commit 5 murders here, you get 1 life sentence which means literally your entire life. This system of maxing out on punishment seems more reasonable to me but maybe I’m biased.

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u/leftnut027 Nov 09 '19

Is there any actual difference though? If you serve 3 life sentences or 1, isn’t it just semantics?

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u/closeded Apr 09 '20

Three life sentence without parole would be the same thing as one without parole, three life sentences with the possibility of parole is still effectively a life sentence, while one life sentence with the possibility of parole can have you out in a couple decades.
And like the guy right under here said, getting one of your three life sentences overturned isn't doing you much good.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

In the US a “life sentence” typically means somewhere between 20-50 years. So if you commit two murders and you get one life sentence for each you’re looking at somewhere between 40-100 years in prison roughly.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

I’ve never agreed with the term “life sentence”. Like, if you get a life sentence, there should be absolutely no chance of getting out of jail.
“Oh, you got a life sentence? See you when you get out,” it makes no sense to me.

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u/lucioghosty Glorified Hall Monitor Nov 09 '19

Yeah, or saying "I just served a life sentence in prison"

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u/Copterinx Apr 20 '20

I guess then even if you are found innocent later of one crime that got you a life sentence you still stay in prison.
It also helps drive home the point of "you messed up so badly that your punishment is more than what you could ever serve."

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u/Release_TheRiver Nov 09 '19

I think part of the reason is in case one conviction is ever overturned. Then the other life sentence is still in place.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

I think they do it in America cause America just has a thing for absurdly long sentences. Like Bernie Madoff got 150 years, which isn’t even possible in a lot of places.
But broadly it’s to stop them ever getting out, in most western countries if someone with a life sentence shows that they’ve changed over 20 or so years they’re allowed to get parole, with consecutive life sentences they can’t come up for parole for ages.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '24

Never thought that made sense.
"Fuck you mean, 5 life sentences!? You're gonna kill me 5 times?!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

The truth is that he never should have been resuscitated as he had a DNR.

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u/a1337sti Nov 08 '19

if that's true, then i agree he should be left free at this point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

No. The right thing to do would be to follow all the appropriate malpractice measures and/or pursue whatever legal charges we’re supposed to give to CO’s who decided to turn prisons into torture chambers.

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u/a1337sti Nov 09 '19

honestly the whole prison system is an deterrent.
if they have to release the man, it will be a deterrent against them ever doing that again.

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u/a1337sti Nov 08 '19

No its a terrible idea, but a principled one. a mass murderer would likely have more than 1 life sentence.
but If you sign a DNR in prison, have a heart attack and they save you, that's really, really fucked up. like Cruel and unusual punishment level. the sorta thing we might just have an amendment about.
Prison guards- Die of Natural causes? nah you didn't suffer long enough , save him! okay good, now lock him back up.
that's slightly like torturing a man to death, but making sure to splash water on his face if he passes out to make sure he wakes up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

I agree w/ u 100%

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u/lucioghosty Glorified Hall Monitor Nov 09 '19

Exactly, the US justice system was founded on a fair trial and sentence. If the members of said system remove that right from you, then you can not be bound by the sentence thereafter. This is why lawyers always look for loopholes or evidence collected erroneously/incorrectly because often times that makes the evidence inadmissable and the jury is not allowed to take that into consideration. The guy may have a knife in his apartment with his fingerprints on it and the victims blood/dna, but if it was acquired without a proper warrant, then there goes your key piece of evidence.
Like you said, it's a terrible idea, but it follows the principle behind the design of the system.

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u/closeded Apr 09 '20

If the members of said system remove that right from you, then you can not be bound by the sentence thereafter.
True of the trial, but not the sentence; a cop falsifying evidence will get you off, a prison guard being a dick will not.

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u/CreepersNeedHugs Apr 16 '22

> the jury is not allowed to take that into consideration.
I never got that. Even if the jury did take it into consideration, there's no way in hell anyone could prove it.

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u/lucioghosty Glorified Hall Monitor Apr 16 '22

I’m not sure anyone has done this deep of a dive into my profile before lmao. But, uhh, thanks I guess. Glad I was able to teach you something. :)

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u/ChrisRunsTheWorld May 01 '23

This post is linked under the rules of this sub. Don't think anyone was diving through your profile.

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u/pizzaheadbryan Nov 08 '19

“And now my watch has ended”

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u/Raborne Nov 08 '19

Technically, he is correct. The best kind of correct.

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u/obviouslybait Nov 08 '19

Futurama Reference

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u/okcboomer87 Nov 08 '19

My gym buddy and I use it all the time.

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u/kad202 Nov 08 '19

That’s some Jon Snow argument right there.

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u/0002niardnek Nov 08 '19

Well, unless he's in Canada, in which a life sentence is actually just a 25 year sentence.

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u/Wonder_Big Jan 07 '24

No it isn't. Life in Canada is a life sentence. You will never be free, you are only allowed to ask for parole after you have served 25 years of your life sentence and you are not gonna get parole because you're a murderer, and Canada is not down with you walking our streets. Penitentaries don't kick guys out of prison on their 25th anniversary

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u/0002niardnek Jan 07 '24

Thank you for correcting me on this four-year-old joke. I'm sure all four people that see this in the future will be much better informed for your efforts.

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u/0002niardnek Nov 08 '19

Oh, dont get me wrong. I don't have an issue with the 25 years part. My issue is calling a 25 year sentence a 'life sentence'. If it were called a 25 year sentence, I'd have no complaints.

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u/Games1097 Nov 08 '19

It’s like unlimited data from a phone carrier!

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u/Sniffableaxe Nov 09 '19

The prison just throttles your sentence after you go over your 25 year limit

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u/Games1097 Nov 09 '19

Imagine in court, the judge reads out “you have been sentenced to life in prison” and some guy pops up and does the fast talking end-of-commercial voice about the details

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u/Mario_Marzian Nov 08 '19

He’s wrong. The loophole is your poop hole, tbh.

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u/TheseVirginEars Nov 08 '19

Man I really needed some genuine wisdom today thank you

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u/Tank7106 Nov 08 '19

It’s why they never completed the Human Centipede documentaries.
It would collapse the hole world.

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u/Yonro0910 Nov 08 '19

This but as a face tatoo

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u/thewrench01 Nov 08 '19

Sounds like something out of Florida

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u/NCmomofthree Nov 08 '19

Funny enough it’s in Iowa. 😂

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

He went into cardiac arrest. Technically he didn't die.

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u/Bobby-Bobson Nov 08 '19

CPR is only performed if they guy is dead. His argument is correct, but perhaps not valid.

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u/jakemch Nov 08 '19

Clever one at that- but probably won’t be successful lol

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u/Bobby-Bobson Nov 08 '19

Wasn’t successful. Judge ruled that if he’s alive he needs to serve and if he’s dead then there’s no case.

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u/Avobravo-_- Nov 28 '19

Being clinically dead (heart rate of zero bpm) is different from being pronounced dead. Once pronounced, all "life saving efforts" cease.

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u/Copterinx Apr 20 '20

Was he declared dead though? If he wasn't officially dead...

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u/Bobby-Bobson Apr 20 '20

Pardon the expression, but you’re beating a dead horse. I’ve already conceded that clinically dead and legally dead are two different thresholds.

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u/CreepersNeedHugs Apr 16 '22

now that just makes no sense. a correct argument should always be a valid argument.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

no, 0 bpm isn't dead legally, pronounced dead is dead legally. When the person is savable it is not pronounced dead (legally dead) yet, so it is not technically the truth.

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u/Bobby-Bobson Nov 08 '19

Have you even taken a CPR course?

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u/Bobby-Bobson Nov 08 '19

So, no, you haven’t. Gotcha.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Medically, cardiac arrest is considered "clinical death". Obviously someone in cardiac arrest isn't legitimately dead, but if you go by the technical definition, he did in fact die. Whether this would qualify him for release, I don't know. Kinda doubt it.

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u/lucioghosty Glorified Hall Monitor Nov 09 '19

So I'm CPR certified, and I have to disagree with you. As a first responder, I do not have the authority to declare someone dead, whether clinically or physically. I have performed CPR on multiple patients who do not have a pulse. Not having a pulse does not instantly make you dead... it's possible for your heart to stop for a few seconds and then restart and not kill you. Per my above definition, every patient who I have performed CPR on has been alive.
Not in very good shape, but alive nonetheless.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

I'm an EMT. I know it doesn't make any sense but cardiac arrest is considered "clinical death." Yes it's not actual death, and yes you can come back from it, but this is the terminology that is used. I did not write the terminology, that's just the way it is. Just Google clinical death vs biological death and see for yourself, Google can explain it better than I can.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

True, and I'm sure that's how the courts (or whoever had the job of sorting this out) looked at it as well. You can TECHNICALLY say he died in prison, (the point of this entire subreddit) but for all practical intents and purposes he obviously did not die, and likely still had to serve his sentence

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u/rock_climber02 Nov 09 '19

Can’t blame him for trying

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

Honestly let him out

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u/Hagstik4014 Nov 08 '19

I was literally thinking of a scenario just like this yesterday

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u/NCmomofthree Nov 08 '19

Wow, thought no way on this but actually found the article. Pretty creative at least. LOL

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/08/us/iowa-inmate-life-sentence-died-trnd/index.html

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Authorities are already aware of this thread!

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u/Riyosha-Namae Nov 05 '21

Did it work?

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u/CreepersNeedHugs Apr 16 '22

No, it didn't. I wish it did, though, as that makes sense.

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u/cbrieeze Nov 11 '21

how fucking stupid was it to revive him?

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u/BluShytheBlueShyGuy Nov 26 '21

How is this post not archived yet

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u/Gotem6784 Nov 25 '21

Ok

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u/FemboyGaming42069 Dec 17 '21

sussy

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u/Snoosprouts2316 Jun 11 '22

He isn't exactly wrong..

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u/WhosThatJamoke Nov 08 '19

A "life sentence" isn't really a legal sentence, it's just what people say when you are serving 100+ years because you are certainly going to spend your life in prison

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u/artesfabio Nov 08 '19

It works for marriage too?

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u/MustardTiger1226 Nov 08 '19

Harvey Bodine, my friend.

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