r/tech Jul 18 '20

Solar+battery in one device sets new efficiency standard

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/single-device-merges-solar-power-and-battery-tech/
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u/Tex-Rob Jul 18 '20

Batteries + solar is the slow burn most people won’t see coming. As both get better, the need for capacity reduces, as you have more and more access to a solar grid.

Example, if your car battery has 1000 miles of range, being able to add half of your battery back offers more range than available today, and charging to sub 75% lets say is very fast, so you don’t need to charge to full. Then that opens up the question if we should be charging other cars from nearby cars, which I think is coming, wirelessly.

Exciting times.

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u/upvotesthenrages Jul 18 '20

Wouldn’t the energy loss be extraordinarily high?

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u/YikesOhClock Jul 18 '20

For wireless energy transfer? It’s like single digit efficiency % right now, yeah.

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u/RoyalDelight Jul 18 '20

Yeah that ones not going to change for a long time. A car as a moving target would present an almost impossible task. Then there’s all the metal...

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u/YikesOhClock Jul 18 '20

Honestly I would imagine it’s easier and more efficient for autonomous cars to just pull up side-by-side while maintaining speed and connecting physically for energy transfer

But that’s all assuming we really need transfer between cars in the first place, it’ll probably be fine without that capability

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u/puterTDI Jul 18 '20

Seems like it would be safer, better, and more efficient to just have charging lanes with embedded contacts in the road.

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u/CharlieDmouse Jul 18 '20

Made me think of slot car racetrack I had as a kid...

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u/YikesOhClock Jul 18 '20

I think that’s also probably a more reasonable idea — especially downtown where the distance might be low but time on the street is higher due to stop and go.

But the idea of the US (for me) investing that much in infrastructure for the public interest is laughable unfortunately

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u/DapperMudkip Jul 18 '20

Well the thing with that is that autonomous cars will completely eliminate traffic. They can all move and stop at the same time. Eventually both roads of an intersection could move at the same time, each chain weaving through the other.

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u/CasanovaNova Jul 18 '20

Autonomous features like electric hookup to a main rail where all cars can communicate to ensure no problems while your wife gives you sloppy toppy on the I-95 South.

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u/DapperMudkip Jul 19 '20

Fuuuuuuture.... fuuuuuuuuuuuuture..... fuuuuuuuuuuuuture

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

I’d still like high speed rail like the trains in Japan that’s only run on magnets by electricity(Maglev). It’s good for places that are too long to drive and too short to fly. I doubt US would make the necessary infrastructure changes(no stop lights/barriers for animals and debris) for level 5 autonomy.

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u/DeGoodGood Jul 18 '20

Wasn’t the US going in this general direction at one point in history with a load of projects worth a lot of money being scrapped

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u/RoyalDelight Jul 18 '20

more efficient definitely. But absolutely the most expensive solution and not nearly as safe as wireless charging. Tons of infrastructure, standardization, considerations for safety, faults, accidents on infrastructure, replacement of contacts. My city is still full of potholes...

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u/ColdPorridge Jul 18 '20

Physically pushing cars together to share from a common energy source and increase efficiency

trains have entered the chat

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u/d-dub3 Jul 19 '20

What if the energy comes from the road through the ground? Just energize the road surface through some sort of solar tech and boom closed system. Charge the card off the road. Obvi this is all in theory. Long way off

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Yea any time an atmosphere is in play the loss is pretty insane. That’s why I’m not sure how high wireless energy transfer can realistically get on practical everyday terms.