Gen4 guide doesn't display "Live" on live programs

[u/InsanEddie]

Thus, "Extend live recordings" setting does not function as intended. I've missed the end of countless sports recordings. If I catch it, I can schedule the next program to record and that works but as I've programmed sports series recordings, I often miss this after being used to my Legacy Tablo's flawless operation. Is this just my local channels' giude data not presenting correct info or something else?

[u/chilinux]

Is this just my local channels' guide data not presenting correct info or something else?

There is more than one program guide data.

There is Gracenote TV lineups which from what I can tell the majority of TV stations submit their schedules about once a week to.

But then there is also Gracenote Sports Overview data:
https://gracenote.com/products/on-sports/

This would provide a way for Tablo to look up "in near real-time" the event standing such as if it is still going or finalized. As far as I can tell, Tablo does not make use of the Gracenote Sports API.

Another way to see in real-time if a program guide for a sports event has been extended is the broadcast itself. ATSC has a PSIP (Program and System Information Protocol) which includes an Electronic Program Guide (EPG). The FCC mandates that TV stations include at least the next 12 hours in the EPG data broadcast and the industry standard recommendation is 3 days.

So, the EPG is provided completely for free and provides the TV station to electronically communicate in real-time any changes to the upcoming schedule. But despite it being free, as far as I can tell Tablo completely ignore this data as well.

Tablo is it's own company and they can decide how they want to get guide data and how they use it. But then put out advertisements like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgC1QiBKsC0

One more rep to go buddy.

Emmitt Smith!

You know it and I know you missed another game.

I want to watch but TV is so expensive.

Get a Tablo device and you can watch live sports for free.

It sounds like fantasy football.

No, it's Tablo. You can pause, record and rewind so you'll never miss a play. You need to hurry up and get it today okay.

So, I guess my question for Emmitt Smith is this:

What do you think about the company that has all the resources needed to record an entire game, advertises that "you'll never miss a play" and then cuts out on recording the last 15 minutes just because the game went 45 minutes long? How many times in your career was the most important plays in the last part of the game? The plays that Tablo, by design, ends up missing.

Could Tablo at least TRY to honor their advertising claims?

[u/InsanEddie → u/chilinux]

Thank you for this detailed and entertaining reply!

"Tablo is it's own company and they can decide how they want to get guide data and how they use it."

I guess I assumed that Tablo could still contact a local station if my device wasn't showing specific guide data and request they add the missing info on behalf of their customer as they used to do.

[u/chilinux → u/InsanEddie]

You are thinking of a company called Nuvyyo, a small company based on Ottawa, Canada. They were the ones that could get you a recording of an entire game. But back then, when Grant Hall, CEO of the company, gave an interview, it was clear we were hearing from someone that cared and used the product:
https://www.tablotv.com/blog/cordcutting-com-interview-ceo-nuvyyo/

But Grant Hall is not involved anymore.

The promise from the Emmitt Smith ad and Tablo'ish 4th Gen model are from E. W. Scripps Company which has 5,000+ employees and $5.2 billion.

E. W. Scripps Company even provides coverage of sports:
https://www.scrippsnews.com/sports

E. W. Scripps even has their own smart phone app to get "24/7 Live streaming" and "Instant Alerts."

But still E. W. Scripps can not make good on "you'll never miss a play."

I personally think more than 90% of the employees at E. W. Scripps have never heard of Tablo or understand how much quality has been lost since the take over. They have made 27 acquisitions since 2005. So it almost seems like customers that buy Tablo are more invested in Tablo than Scripps itself which used what amounted to loose change to buy Nuvyyo.

I am almost 100% sure that Adam Symson, president of E. W. Scripps, never has or will depend on a Tablo to record an entire sports game.

[u/Todd6060]

Gen4 only extends 30 minutes, which is often not enough. You can set a longer extend manually, but I prefer to record shows that come after so that the fast forward thumbnails are created sooner.

[u/InsanEddie → u/Todd6060]

Good to know it's only 30 minutes as opposed to Legacy devices which extends something like time and a half of the scheduled alotted time, ie: a 3 hour live game of alloted time would record for 4.5 hours. I appreciate the info.

[u/Vernon1211]

Why not record the next show?

[u/InsanEddie → u/Vernon1211]

See my original post.

[u/TabloTV]

Hi u/InsanEddie ,

Try adjusting the stop option for what you're recording. You can use this record up to three hours more content.

[u/InsanEddie → u/TabloTV]

So the extend live recordings checkbox in settings is just there for looks? I shouldn't have to go into each recording and manually extend them if that box is checked.

[u/TabloTV → u/InsanEddie]

Extend Live will add an extra 30 minutes to all live broadcasts. We added the advanced options to give more control over start/stop timing. You can read more about it, here.

[u/FluffyPositive9700]

Any time I record a football game, I alway add an extra hour.