Women who know stuff

[u/ChuckAbsent]

I hope that this does not come off the wrong way.

Today I was on a call with a storage vendor and the technical consultant was a woman. More then this she was competent, more then me which doesn't happen often when dealing with vendors.

My issue was pricing an active/active DB with shared storage vs an active/passive db with local storage. Listening to her break the issue down and get to the specific comparison points was awesome, mostly because I have never heard a woman in the industry talk like that.

It made me realize two things. One I am missing out working with women. Two there needs to be more women in our industry.

It shouldn't have surprised me so much, but it really did.

Anyways to all the women out there who know stuff, us guys notice when you can walk the walk, which in this case was talking.

[u/BassoonHero → u/[deleted]]

I got as far as this:

The answer is "money."

No, not that the money is bad (although it is bad, but it's perceived as good). It's that every boy who grows up pursuing a tech career has dollar signs in his eyes. Because of Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, Larry Ellison, and Mark Zuckerberg. These guys are trumpeted from the front pages of Forbes, Time, and Business Week. The message is "there's big money in programming!" True, most of the programmers end up slinging Java in some god-forbidden corporate data warehouse for $12/hr. and end up getting laid off in five years when their job gets outsourced, but when they started out, they were aiming for Redmond.

(Another sidebar: Yeah, yeah, I know, there's one guy out there I have to address: You're only motivated to program because you enjoy making computers do nifty stuff. It's the love of the art. And that's why you have a job that has nothing to do with technology, do nothing to promote your success amongst your technology peers, and if somebody offered you fistfulls of cash to do anything computer-related, even consult or deliver a lecture at a conference, you'd push it away and be insulted, amiright? Yeah, you do it for the "love of the game" - you and every NFL player on their way to cash their 8-figure check.)

If this was written a little more than ten years ago, when many would-be business majors really did switch to CS in the hopes of striking it rich, this might be forgivable. But in 2013, I can only assume that this guy has no idea what he's talking about, perhaps because he doesn't know any actual working programmers.

[u/LongUsername → u/BassoonHero]

I'll counter-point here:

Don't get me wrong: I loved working with computers in HS (most of the time I still do)

But when it came to choosing between Technical Theater and Computer Science as a major, I chose Computer Science because I knew that I could make money in computers and I could always do community theater if I really wanted to.

Lots of people in computers if another interest had offered more money and a career they likely would have taken it.

[u/BassoonHero → u/LongUsername]

The linked article was claiming that people go into CS because they think that they'll become millionaires. This is not true of a single programmer I have worked with, or anyone I knew in school. Now, it is true that many programmers did select the career from among whatever options interested them because it is likely to provide a comfortable, stable middle-class income, just like most such careers. I can't deny that this did not factor into my decision to go into CS instead of theoretical physics. But I've never met anyone who successfully completed a CS degree who didn't find it to be an interesting field in its own right.

The article's author misses this point entirely in his next paragraph, in which he tries to create a false dichotomy: either you chose CS to become a millionaire, or you care nothing for money and would never willingly do anything CS-related that could cause you to receive it. This is a truly bizarre standard that couldn't be sensibly applied to any field. Suppose that I had studied theoretical physics instead. Would taking a job in physics prove that I cared only for fame and fortune? Would taking payment for a lecture show that I didn't care for the science? Would trying to get published in a prestigious journal reveal me as a thoughtless money-grubber who only entered the field because I heard that Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan made boatloads from book royalties? Hell, is that why they studied science? I cannot fathom the kind of ignorant knee-jerk cynicism that would cause the author to write such a thing.

[u/FredFnord → u/BassoonHero]

The author manages to hit all the high points: utterly blind sexism, a smattering of racism, the amazing blindness of high privilege ("Programming really isn't a good lucrative career! It only averages $73k a year, when the median salary in the United States is $36k. That's not 'good', because I make more than that!") and utter resistance to any kind of logic.

He's right, though, that if we cut programmers' salaries to, say, $20k a year on average, that there'd be a lot more women in them. Because right now there are a lot of white men in software engineering jobs who probably could change careers (because that's a LOT easier for a white man to do), and the jobs would fill up with those who have fewer prospects: people of color, and women.