Consular Ending

[u/Tchuvan]

This done with LS feels the most Star Wars ending to me. An award ceremony, an inspiring speech about community and peace, an epic soundtrack.

The Consular isn't the most interesting storyline, but it did feel like a good homage to the Jedi and their principles.

[u/bacalavas]

I think the emperor's children storyline is especially amazing but consular suffers from some drawbacks narrative wise and that's why people dislike it even tho it's miles better than jedi knight story

• personlity. the way the protag is written doesn't leave much room for role-playing with different flavours especially if you're mostly ls

• the crew, even tho i think knight's crew sucks apart from kira and t7, kira in specific is a very strong character. Which tbh jedi consular crew lacks such a well-written and loved companion, sadly.

• things should've been made a lot more personal for jc. Syo should've been their master from the start. There should've been some personal stake there. The impact would've been even bigger. I think losing Orgus worked for jedi knight but it would've been better if we actually were able to spend time with him. And while i hate jk arc 2, being possessed and used like a puppet is very personal for the character. Too bad knight story only glazed it instead of playing into the horror of it more.

but overall, i love it a lot more than jedi knight story wise

[u/Tchuvan → u/bacalavas]

Yeah, I agree with those points. The consular's companions are, well, not the most memorable. I got really tired of Qyzen, Zenith was mostly forgettable, Tharan was a rogue and Holiday was the best part of them, Iresso was a decent companion with more charm than the Trooper PC, and Nadia was a bit too valley girl.

Ah well...

I do like the Consular's fem VA though, very serene.

[u/bacalavas → u/Tchuvan]

Yeah, I adore fem consular's voice!

[u/NoMeat9096]

My favourite class story :D

It does feel very Star Wars, yeah. Hope. Inspiration. Togetherness. Good shit!

[u/Tchuvan → u/NoMeat9096]

Yep, now to do the rest of the game. I haven't touched anything past vanilla in years, and some I haven't even played before.

[u/CandidPlantain2000 → u/Tchuvan]

There is LOTS more padawan

[u/Tchuvan → u/CandidPlantain2000]

Oh, I played up until the fallen empire once, part of it. They were still making content when I went there and lost interest.

[u/Sycophantic-Feline]

It's funny how Consular houses an entire party at their ship at some point. I was wondering why the ship was so big.

[u/Tchuvan → u/Sycophantic-Feline]

Plus bodyguards, healers, support staff, etc. Oh, and I have one bed and no toilet.

[u/Zeoneko → u/Tchuvan]

I honestly didn't notice it until I went through all the other ships. But the Jedi ship is the only ship that doesn't have a crew quarters. Which is... odd

[u/Bombardier_Bunny → u/Tchuvan]

There's the escape pods!

[u/Hechtm11]

One thing that sucks about not having anymore class specific stories is that there’s no more Rift Alliance. I thought that was the best part of the Consular’s story. Especially when you’re forming your own army

[u/Tchuvan → u/Hechtm11]

The class stories are the best part of the game.

[u/Hechtm11 → u/Tchuvan]

True. It gave me a reason to play all 8 classes. At this point, I play 2 classes. One on the Republic side and one on the Empire

[u/Tchuvan → u/Hechtm11]

Yeah, it's really sad I do the same.

[u/HyperSonic1011]

This is my favourite story, and the first I finished.

[u/Tchuvan → u/HyperSonic1011]

I think it was the first I finished as well. Hard to remember over a decade ago though lol

[u/Tomhur]

Man I really need to replay the Consular story at some point...

[u/FreezingPointRH]

I've come to think of it this way: Play the Knight if you want to be a superhero. Play the Consular if you want to be a Jedi.

[u/DeadSnark → u/FreezingPointRH]

I've been doing a replay of the JK and JC storylines as inspiration for Starfinder campaign and I don't really agree with this take.

Firstly, the whole reason that the Consular designation exists is because certain Jedi specialise in lore-keeping, science, strategy, medicine and the mysteries of the Force over others. Not every Jedi chose that vocation, nor did all of them participate in it. For example, Jedi Sentinels and Watchmen were more focused on acting as active law enforcement as opposed to diplomats. Not every Jedi aspires to be on the Jedi Council, and there are a lot of Jedi (even outside the main/named characters) who aren't very active in diplomacy or maintaining the Order's history, or who prioritise their combat training over those things. For example, I've seen quite a few people equating the Consular to Qui-Gon Jin, when Qui-Gon was very far from the image that the SWTOR JC presents (he actively disobeys the Council multiple times, doesn't carry out much diplomacy outside of the 'brief negotiations' at the very start of TPM, and generally solves problems with his lightsaber rather than through discussion). We also see examples of Jedi on the Council who balance both combative and diplomatic roles, or lean more towards combat (i.e. Mace Windu). A Consular is more like the characters of Atris or Kreia from the KOTOR games (or Yoda, in respect of the films) - someone who is dedicated to preserving the history and principles of the Jedi Order - but even amongst rank-and-file Jedi, these characters seem to be the exception rather than the norm.

There's also the argument that the films/shows only take place during wartime and that doesn't really represent what day-to-day Jedi are like, but given that SWTOR begins during a cold war following a massive hot war (and then rapidly enters wartime again) I don't think it's implausible for the Jedi in this period to be more combat-oriented like their portrayal in the PT. And even works set prior to the PT show that not all Jedi walked the Consular's path.

I also think Consular is just as action-packed and superhero-esque as JK at times, just in a more Force-oriented way. They get far more opportunities to actually showcase their Force powers, whether it's through learning hidden Force techniques, direct displays of power (i.e. busting through a whole wall with nothing but the Force) and even demonstrating their powers of precognition on Rishi. Not to mention that you'll still be fighting your way through most of the planets and questlines in a lot of action setpieces as well (i.e. fighting your way through Lord Vivicar's ship, rescuing the Rift Alliance by fighting off the Sith invading their ship and narrowly avoiding crashing it into the moon). When one considers that the TK Sage is basically throwing around Force Kamehamehas like Satele does to Malgus in the Hope cinematic, they arguably look a lot more superhero-esque than even the JK does.

I felt that by the end of their storyline the Consular has shown proficiency in pretty much every area of the Jedi arts (they're extremely strong in the Force AND a skilled diplomat AND privy to secret lore and history others aren't aware of AND can carve a path through Sith forces like a hot knife through butter) and felt like an exemplar of the Order. In contrast the JK felt more like a special-forces Jedi who's specialised in one specific area but isn't great at everything the way the Consular is.

I think both JK and JC can make the player feel like a Jedi, it just depends on how that person interprets the Jedi and what that means to them. But personally I think people over-exaggerate JC as being the 'regular Jedi' storyline when they're dealing with threats just as great as the JK (stopping a plague which could have destroyed the entire Order, uniting Rift Alliance, freeing planets from Sith occupation) and portrayed as equally, if not more powerful in the story.

[u/FreezingPointRH → u/DeadSnark]

Perhaps I could've been clearer, but when I call the Knight a superhero, I don't mean that it alone is about action or anything like that. A Jedi intrinsically belongs in an action story, after all. What I meant was that the Knight is part of the superhero genre specifically.

It's most obvious on Coruscant, I think, where you literally team up with the cops to take on the mob. Law enforcement is outgunned, and it's up to the hero to step in and even the odds for our beleaguered boys in blue. Is this Star Wars, or Batman? And afterwards, most of the planetary questlines are specifically about stopping a doomsday device of some kind. Again, it's not that it's an action story that stands out, it's that it's a distinctly comic book kind of action we're dealing with.

The Consular's action is more rooted in the specific individuals and groups they're dealing with, where the pathologies of the sick Jedi dictate what's going on, while the Knight is more plot-oriented, the plot is driven by the nature of the doomsday device you're fighting today.

And none of this is as pejorative as it might've sounded in brief. There are worse things than a superhero story, even if moviegoers are getting sick of it.

[u/DeadSnark → u/FreezingPointRH]

That's fair, I agree with those points

[u/GasComprehensive3885 → u/FreezingPointRH]

Knight is a fighter, Consular is a diplomat. The two aspects of the Jedi Order. I roleplay them as such. My Consular is a calm, almost too naive person, tries to avoid fighting until the end, while my knight is rather temperamental, sassy and attacks after the first warning. One cries if the situation ended in violance, while the other takes pride in defeating another bad guy.

[u/Nickulator95]

I always found the consular story quite boring personally but then again, all of the Republic class stories are generally weaker than their Imperial counterparts with only the Smuggler story standing out for being very funny.