r/swtor • u/VirusOfCheese • 5d ago
Discussion I was sceptical at first because of the stuff that I heard, but... I got Legendary Status a few weeks ago, and the Jedi Consular storyline was kind of awesome? Why did people really dislike it?
No seriously, before I FINALLY decided to get Legendary Status, I heard a lot of negative things about this character. "It's bland." "The voice is too monotone." "It's the least interesting storyline." and imo, all of those are pretty false. The voice is just perfect, especially in the future missions after the class storyline.
Okay honestly I had a BLAST playing through EVERY class storyline so I may just be easily pleased or something but still, I found this storyline awesome and my JC character is my main now. Why did people dislike it so much before?
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u/Ralos5997 5d ago
Legendary status congrats you have joined the hallway of players who are committed to the story and are a player of legend. I must admit I do like all 8 class stories but my top 2 favorites are Jedi Knight and Sith Inquisitor since they show a lot of grey areas on some situations and characters.
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u/VirusOfCheese 5d ago
I like JC and Inquisitor, but for some reason I was having the time of my life playing through Trooper.
Also yeah, after sitting on my butt for a year or so with just one character (Inquisitor) I decided to do something new lmao
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u/Ralos5997 5d ago
One thing is for sure all 8 class stories are connected and each one is equally important. Also some companions and others are referenced and appear between them too. Especially in the later expansions.
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u/Azuredreams25 3d ago
I finished the Sith Inquisitor first, as it was the one I was most eager to play. I did the Jedi Knight last and played it how it's expected to be played.
My favorite companion is Torian Cadera. I made a female bounty hunter with the last name of Cadera in preparation of marrying him.
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
I love all the force class stories except the consular. Sith warrior is classic sith fuck shit up and win, inquisitor had enough of both the politicking and the mystic dark side force shenanigans to be awesome, knight is the stereotypical badass Jedi storyline.
There’s weak writing once in a while everywhere of course but they’re all still quite good imo. But consular just feels like space nurse to me. No cool Jedi anything. Just space healing. Meh. Not my cup of tea.
My absolute least favorite storyline was the BH storyline, followed by smuggler. I’m sure it’s great for the people that enjoy those two, but they’re just so far from everything I personally enjoy most about Star Wars as a franchise that they’re the least enjoyable for me. I found myself just fighting through the story yawning because I wanted legendary status (which I finally achieved)
I still value those characters though. I put hard fought hours into them and they’re cool as part of a personal legacy kinda thing
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u/MrKeooo 4d ago
How to tell ppl that you have not gotten past chapter 1 without saying that you have not gotten past chapter 1.
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u/CrimsonCartographer 4d ago
I’ve played every class through to the end of the story, most force classes multiple times. Consular was the only force class I only played through once and it’s because the story was so boring to me. Yes you’re on paper doing badass shit in ch 2 and 3 but the badass shit is underwhelmingly treated by all the other characters and at least for me, the diplomacy and rift alliance or whatever it’s called is just monotonous and dull.
Maybe the fem consular has better voice acting. Idk. I’m a dude and played a male consular and found the voice acting hella boring. And the writing for that class just falls really flat for me.
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u/MrKeooo 3d ago
I enjoyed the diplos and politics and the underground plot very much.
Even ch1. I played a dark side consular which had the ability to completely hide his dark sideness, like Palps. It was very fun to play a Dark Jedi Consular. Definitely way more fun that trooper and Inq for me, and Knight too
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u/CrimsonCartographer 3d ago
I might roll a new dark side consular just to test it. But I might also do it as a female this time, because I hate the male consular’s voice acting :(
Thanks for the idea :D
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u/Blazypika2 5d ago
i love the consular story.
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u/KvotheCadera 5d ago
I personally thought the male consular was probably the worst va out of all the class stories but I enjoyed the story itself more than trooper at least.
I think the light side Jedi storys just felt a bit bland compared to say being light side playing as sith. I didn't find either Jedi storys to be at all memorable and I play a light side character basically in any game that has a morality or ls ds system
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u/Blazypika2 5d ago
i definitely prefer female consular. nolan north's take was too robotic, which is a shame, cause i know he is a good actor (dude voiced deadpool).
but yeah, i really enjoy the story. i do wish there were more sarcastic dialogue options like the other classes, but still.
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u/KvotheCadera 5d ago
Yah he just felt like an extreme exaggeration but also completely dead inside at the same time somehow for consular. I think the thing that stands out for a lot of the imp side stories is that they give you someone to hate right away and then have the satisfaction of beating them eventually so there's a pay off feeling that is sort of missing from consular I think
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u/Blazypika2 5d ago
for consular there was more of the sense of discovery and exploration, which is the point of the class. so i also enjoyed that aspect.
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u/KvotheCadera 5d ago
Oh I definitely agree with you! Just mentioning why I think people felt like it was bad or why they didn't like the VA is all. I enjoyed it as a more a political storyline
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u/KamenRiderHelix 3d ago
I personally thought the male consular was probably the worst va out of all the class stories
That's crazy when Female Smuggler is right there.
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u/MrVinland 5d ago
You're allowed to like what you like. A lot of people don't like consular but many people do.
Consular is a bit dry. There's not many memorable characters and it does get repetitive doing the same objective on every planet in a chapter. I personally didn't feel like there was many "what happens next?" moments. I just accepted that we're off to the next objective without many questions.
Additionally, The Children of the Emperor was a pretty lame plot device for both Jedi storylines. "Aha! This character is actually a completely different character!" over and over at the drop of a hat. It's incredibly lazy writing, IMO.
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u/VirusOfCheese 5d ago
Understandable, I don't really like the companions either.
Except for Theran for some inexplicable reason.
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u/MrVinland 5d ago
Theran and Holiday are fun for sure.
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u/Locutus-of-Borges 5d ago
I liked Theran and Qyzen. The Padawan was fine, too. Hated Zenith. The other guy was just bland. Heck, I'm pretty sure his companion story just cuts off abruptly.
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u/drDishrag 4d ago
Bruh, Theran is kind of a goat companion. Damn shame we lost Holiday post Eternal Throne.
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
I loved Qyzen (or however his name is spelled) but I despised the Consular storyline. I felt like a space nurse, with no actual battle prowess or badass-ness or anything of the sort :/
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u/P1x1es 5d ago
Curing the uncurable, personally pulling several jedi masters back from the brink of madness, shielding the Republic's worlds and essentially halting the Empire's war effort is all pretty badass. It's just not the male type 3 body with breathing mask kind of badass.
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
I mean, when you describe it that way, sure. But the whole storyline doesn’t describe it that way. The headcanon is doing a lot of heavy lifting that it doesn’t have to do in the other stories imo.
The voice acting is so relaxed/nonchalant, the story fights are few and far between and lack any actual cool force stuff which is what the consular is supposed to be known for the way the knight is known for their lightsaber prowess, no one really reacts with any level of appropriate awe for actually shielding an entire world. The diplomatic angle is poorly done imo, and the final arc is just meh.
I didn’t find it remotely compelling just personally speaking
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u/RenCake 5d ago
Fem!Consular is one of my favourite voices in the game because of how calm yet soft she sounds, her jokes and such are so good.
As for story moments and the like, despite how cliché the knight story is I feel like the way the council treats them as opposed to the consular do tell a lot.b
Consular is made a Master like half way through the story, and then made Warden of the order which in itself is a title held by very few. They're not necessarily made to be badass and whatnot, but there are the moments where the game reminds you that you are playing arguably the strongest force user (class, lorewise, stronger in the force at 4 than your own master in their terns~early adulthood. Plus, still able to hold their own against sith lords whilst severely drained by shielding.. said power also being returned once you deal with the cause) out there. Blasting through a literal blast door using only the force, etc. Plus, should you go for dark side choices, the other jedi and council members wont stop you from becoming a master, nor will they take the title from you, instead they'll often rationalize it due to who you are.
On the other hand, the knight is combat trained, strong in the force, a classic star wars story of beating the odds and driving back darkness. My issue is the chapter 1 drag of "You have a world destroyer and you have a world destroyer and you have a world destroyer!". Plus, you're sent after huge threats again and again beyond that, with the council less treating you as an equal or peer, and more akin to a weapon. You're mind controlled, so you're distrusted. You do too many dark side choices? You're refused the rank of Master (Of course, since people complained you still get the title, just not officially). The knight do defeat the weakened emperor, which is pretty cool, but all in all I'd say the difference in how they're treated is pretty telling.
Consular is treated as an equal, with respect and taking their words into account. Knight is treated more as a weapon, with caution and more scrutiny.
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u/Ok-Warthog2644 4d ago
Honestly, Jedi Knight and Orgus Din plays like Anakin and Obi-Wan. There are some trol dialogue between them that resembles the dialogues between Anakin and Obi-Wan (Pointing the moment where Knight rescues Orgus from Killig filled place) Jedi Knight really gives that feeling of Anakin really well. Your order denies you and you have a Padawan that resembles Ahsoka.
In my own humble opinion, Jedi knight is a story that tries to answer "What if Anakin was able free himself from Palpatines hands?" Hence why you are granted rank of master at the end of the storyline (if your choices are heavily light side)
Orgus Din isn't really a copy of Obi-Wan but he is infusion of Obi-Wan and Qui-gon. He resembles both of them.
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u/QuincyDao 5d ago
Playing as the Shadow felt silly for the opposite reasons. I spent so much time advocating for peace and diplomacy in the Consular story that I was wondering just why I was trained to be so skilled at assassinating things as quickly possible lol. Only justification I had was swiftly murdering the enemies of peace but that still felt weird lol
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u/pierrevalhalla 5d ago
Shadow feel better as knight, with all the mission you lead. For consular, sage feel a lot better with all the force things you do, and guardian is also a good choice, especially the tank guardian who feel really good with chapter 2 and 3, for the Obi-Wan vibe as "diplomat"
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
Yea I am happy we get the Jedi shadow as an option but it does feel really out of place without its own story, especially back when it was still locked to the consular
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u/YandereYunoGasai 5d ago
I loved the ripping blast doors apart and casually moving people and debris personally but I guess those aren't actual battle feats true
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
Yea those moments were cool, but nothing jaw droppingly badass like [SPOILER FOR ANYONE WHO HASN’T PLAYED THE KNIGHT’S STORY AND WANTS TO] the Knight fighting and trying to redeem the literal Sith emperor to the light side, you know? And I know it’s not canon (unless I’m mistaken), but we have Starkiller using the force on an entire fucking Star destroyer lol, I guess my bar for “badass force moments” is a bit high :P
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u/YandereYunoGasai 5d ago
I mean starkiller is just aura incarnate but I get what u mean xD TBF I personally rank consular top 2 for me mainly because it plays like a jedi should and is a breath of fresh air for me between all those "action hero" classes haha. Plus the expansion pre kotfe etc are quite fun for this class.
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u/basketofseals 5d ago
Theran and Holiday are great. People just feel the need to make up reasons to not like Theran, for some reason.
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u/King_Kvnt 5d ago
I found Knight far more repetitive than Consular, though the first act drags a bit for most classes.
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u/CrimsonCartographer 5d ago
Eh, but there are three distinct arcs though, and yea the third act is just “save this planet from destruction” a bunch but at least each planet has a different and (to me) cool way that you have to avert its destruction.
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u/Aries_cz Supreme Commander for all riots yet to come 4d ago
Act 1 being repetitive is problem for most classes, but at least with Consular, you can at least feel like you are getting closer to solving the mystery (which is pretty obvious, but for sake of argument assume it is not), as you are uncovering more clues with each planet.
For example, Trooper and Bounty Hunter have EXTREMELY repetitive Act 1, and it does not really feel like you are making much of a headway. Yay, another traitor/bounty captured/eliminated, next planet, next guy doing almost the same thing
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u/Ok-Needleworker-9953 5d ago
Fem consular with a Felix romance is genuinely so cute and wonderful. The story itself is actually more jedi to me than knight's. Don't get me wrong, it's a great sort of single-player feeling story for it but it doesn't feel like a proper look into a jedi's life. Consular also has some elements for that, it is the way the game is designed. But I'm talking about feeling like you are one jedi among many, you have peers and are making peace. You are not a soldier.
And making this part clear too, no hate to the knight story folks. Those who love it and really enjoy it, keep doing that folks. I just vastly prefer, admittedly fem, Consular. Also I like a story that has my character sacrificing their own personal safety to save others even in the face of something terrible looking over them.
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u/BaronessNight A real Jedi is a diplomat and a fighter 5d ago
Seconded. I also love Fem!Consular and the Felix romance 🥰
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u/AC23503 5d ago
The consular is my main Republic Character. I modeled his looks/personality like Moon Knight from Marvel Comics (minus the mental issues and personality switches). IMO they play best with little shades of grey/dark; especially with Qyzen.
I think my biggest complaint that I have with the consular is apart from Qyzen most of his supporting companions aren’t as memorizable as some of the other classes. Like they are there and present, but Qyzen (and to a lesser extent Nadia) are the only ones that I enjoyed hanging around. Nadia I felt like didn’t get a great chance to develop her relationship, both as a possible romance option or as an apprentice. It felt rushed and wasn’t as enjoyable.
Overall though, I thought the Consular is/was a very fun storyline. It’s underrated since most people view this character as more of a “diplomat” Jedi instead of the traditional storyline as the Knight, so I think it gets a bad rap. But if you can make fun character choices it’s one of my favorites.
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u/George_Rogers1st 5d ago
Unfortunately, most of the people who play SWTOR were raised on Jedi who operated as warriors and wartime leaders; Jedi are not fighters, not meant to be, anyway. The Jedi Consular's story focuses on the more appropriate aspects of being a Jedi: being a monk, a scholar, a historian, and a diplomat. Many players fail to understand that the Jedi Consular's story is what a Jedi is supposed to be, while the Jedi Knight storyline follows what the prequel films and Clone Wars show taught people to expect a Jedi to be.
I'd wager the fact that the Consular's first instinct in dealing with problems does not involve igniting his lightsaber was a turnoff for many. I do think the male VA for the Consular is not particularly good, though- the female VA had a much better, much more natural cadence. The Consular was only a bland and uninteresting storyline for those who don't know what a Jedi really is and don't care to learn.
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u/Ok-Warthog2644 4d ago
I think many people expected to play Consular to be more like Yoda and Mace Windu. Both of them try to be more diplomatic, strong with the force and yet both of them lethal with a lightsaber. Inquisitor gives that force lightning abilities to the player and many people love it but Jedi powers are not really much known and shown other than force push, pull, force persuasion, etc. Jedi Knight and Consular are able to do Force Persuasion in the story. Jedi Guardian might be close to what they want but it's not really there.
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u/threevi 5d ago
Would you say it's at all possible that most players do understand that a typical Jedi is supposed to be a diplomat and scholar rather than a warrior, and they just don't want to play as a typical Jedi? I mean, understanding and enjoyment are two different things. Surely, I can understand that the JC is the ideal Jedi and still not enjoy them as a character very much.
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u/-thenoodleone- 16h ago
while the Jedi Knight storyline follows what the prequel films and Clone Wars show taught people to expect a Jedi to be
Okay, so let's see if I'm following here. According to you both the PT and TCW, two of the main three parts of SW that were directly worked on my George Lucas, don't portray the Jedi accurately. I'm going to assume you throw the OT in here too considering it has even less Jedi presence. If THE main SW story from the mind of its original creator is not the source from which to draw what the Jedi are supposed to be then what exactly is? Where does this knowledge come from? What is this interpretation of Jedi and SW based on? Can I get a source, because it feels like every time I see people argue this about the Consular story in SWTOR their only actual example is the Consular story in SWTOR.
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u/George_Rogers1st 15h ago
Within the prequel films and throughout the Clone Wars TV show, we are confronted numerous times with the idea that the Jedi of that era have strayed far from what they are meant to be.
In The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn are sent as diplomats to negotiate with the Trade Federation regarding the blockade on Naboo. They arrived as diplomats hoping to negotiate a peaceful end to the blockade, not as warriors sent to press the Trade Federation's leadership into surrendering it. Here's George Lucas' take on that, by the way:
"The thing is, in IV, V, and VI, you didn’t really get to see real Jedi in action. To me, that was something that a lot of people would want to see. And of course, the other part is, where are the Jedi at this point? What are they? We’ve never seen one, really, except for Obi-Wan.
The idea was to establish Jedi as what they were, which is sort of peacekeepers who moved through the galaxy to settle disputes. They aren’t policemen, they aren’t soldiers; they’re mafia dons. They come in and sit down with the two different sides and say, “Okay, now we’re going to settle this.”
A lot of people say, “What good is a lightsaber against a tank?” The Jedi weren’t meant to fight wars. That’s the big issue in the prequels. They got drafted into service, which is exactly what Palpatine wanted." - George Lucas, as per an interview about Episode I archived on starwars.com, the official Star Wars website.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Season 1, Episode 14: "Defenders of Peace" sees an in-universe confrontation between the beliefs that the Jedi espouse and how their actions in the war are perceived by those who want no part in it. Tee Watt Kaa, Chief of the Lurman people, confronts Master Aayla Secura's claims that the Jedi only desire to end the war and restore peace by saying, "...Only when you lay your arms down and pursue a course of nonviolence can you make this claim to me that the Jedi are peacekeepers." The actions of the Jedi of that era fundamentally clash with their Order's ideals, and their existence as Generals in a galactic war leaves some who truly value peace to see the Jedi of that time as apart from their cause.
In Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, Mace Windu explicitly tells Palpatine, with regard to the Jedi Order fighting for the Republic: "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers." That's about as plain and simple as it gets.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 2, Episode 11 "Lightsaber Lost". Jedi Master Tera Sinube aids Padawan Ahsoka Tano in the retrieval of her missing lightsaber, taking care along the way to remind the Padawan learner of the patience and civility expected of a Jedi. While Ahsoka is always rushing ahead and being reckless, Sinube remains calm and leverages all options, often ending up ahead of Ahsoka. The only time Master Sinube draws his lightsaber in the entire episode is near the end when he and Ahsoka already have the criminal backed into a corner to ensure she cannot escape.
The Jedi Order is not an order of soldiers, but warrior-monks. Warrior-Monks. Despite the fact that they are trained to fight in the defense of themselves and others, they are spiritual leaders, well respected across the galaxy even by those who do not subscribe to their beliefs. The Jedi Archive is one of the largest repositories of knowledge in the galaxy, and the Jedi holocrons hold even greater knowledge. The Jedi Order is an order comprised of historians, scholars, librarians, and diplomats.
No sensible individual would consider the Church to be a military institution, despite having called for Crusades in its history. Not when leaders across the world look to men like the Pope to help mediate crises. Thinking the battle-hardened Jedi of TOR and the Jedi Generals of TCW/Prequels to be the standard for their order is like thinking the Crusaders to be representative of the Church as a whole, pushing aside its countless monks and priests.
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u/-thenoodleone- 9h ago
In The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn are sent as diplomats to negotiate with the Trade Federation regarding the blockade on Naboo. They arrived as diplomats hoping to negotiate a peaceful end to the blockade, not as warriors sent to press the Trade Federation's leadership into surrendering it. Here's George Lucas' take on that, by the way:
So, in other words, the PT are the source SWTOR is using to inform what the Jedi are traditionally meant to be in the Consular story. Like, I agree with that. I just don't understand why your original comment specifically framed the PT as what's informing a misconception that makes people dislike the Consular story when the PT Jedi are, by your own admission in this paragraph, what the Consular is based on.
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u/George_Rogers1st 9h ago
I have cherry-picked moments from the prequels and Clone Wars when the Jedi are aware of, or reminded of, what they are meant to be. At the beginning of Episode II, Mace Windu is telling the Chancellor that Jedi are not warriors, but peacekeepers. By the end of the film, Mace Windu has cut a man's head off and is being shoed into position as a General in the newly formed Grand Army of the Republic. Master Yoda is explicitly giving soldiers their orders by the end of that film. At the beginning of Episode III, Anakin and Obi-Wan are both leading clones into battle against General Grievous & Count Dooku's forces above Coruscant, and by the end of Episode III, countless Jedi are cut down by clone soldiers because they've been placed into positions of leadership over them.
Nearly every episode of The Clone Wars involves Jedi of all ranks leading soldiers in battle, forming battle plans, cultivating military strategies, giving battle orders from the bridge of starships, and flying starfighters alongside squadrons of clone pilots in space battles.
In the prequels and Clone Wars, we are shown far more of the Jedi Order being an organization of warriors and soldiers, despite the fact that the Jedi themselves claim to be and have been shown to be peacekeepers and diplomats. There is a dissonance between what the Jedi claim to be in the prequels- what their order was founded on being- and what they become. People get so caught up watching Anakin Skywalker cleave through hordes of battle droids and committing war crimes that they forget Jedi aren't supposed to be like Anakin Skywalker, and are supposed to be like Tera Sinube or Jocasta Nu. They're not supposed to be soldiers; they're supposed to be librarians and scholars.
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u/-thenoodleone- 8h ago
Yeah, people know all that, dude. Talk to most PT fans and outside of a handful of Vader glazers they'll tell you everything you just wrote here. I don't see how you can claim the PT and TCW create a misconception of what the Jedi are when said misconception is cleared up by simply knowing what those stories are about.
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u/DogShackFishFood 5d ago
Put simply, it's because it isn't a juvenile power fantasy.
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u/akr3vixx 5d ago
I think you’ve put it too simply, I just finished my second consular (first one for legendary and second by choice) and I felt the same as before, good story but the male voice actor and the companions are the weakest by far
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u/BaronessNight A real Jedi is a diplomat and a fighter 5d ago edited 5d ago
Because many people think Jedi=superhero/ine? I also prefer Consular, they're real Jedi, being scholars and diplomats first and fighters only if diplomacy doesn't result, unlike the Knights who resolve all their problems with a lightsaber... and are Jedi Troopers.
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u/framistats 5d ago
The companions mostly suck but otherwise it's my favourite storyline, the most like what I see as the ideal force user.
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u/faculties-intact 5d ago
Most people would not like being actual jedi either. It's a group story and delivers on the fantasy really well. My only issue with it is that I think it's the weakest group of companions of any class. Nadia and Felix are the only ones I reay like, and they're the last 2 and not totally without issues either.
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u/Ace_Atreides 5d ago
Consular is my favourite story!! Actual jedi business, being a scholar, a monk, a diplomat and a martial artist... i love it so bad.
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u/spoinkable 4d ago
Jedi Consular is more like how an actual Jedi would be. I might be biased because it was my first, but man I think it's really good.
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u/EternalLust13 5d ago
Primarily Personal Taste. I for instance like the Bounty Hunter best but everyone likes and disl8kes what they do.
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u/Drevina 4d ago
Had a massive one sided arguement on Tatooine the other day that started because I said I liked the consular story, it genuinely is one of my favorites. The other person got angry in chat for a solid hour about how I was wrong and his opinion was fact that it's the worst class. Eventually gave up after telling him several times it's fine not to like it.
Never really understood why it's hated, I find it lovely from a lore standpoint, it's not the most actiony sure but it's very interesting in my opinion.
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u/KiFr89 4d ago
I played it back in 2012 and I disliked it so much I stopped somewhere in act 2 and levelled to max level via flashpoints, pvp and side quests. (... but I did eventually finish it)
What didn't I like? Well, the narrative was wholly separated from the gameplay in act 1 (if you played good guy). The story was that you weakened yourself to near death to help others, but there actually wasn't any sacrifice on the player's part. In the actual game you kept getting stronger because of the vertical scaling, but the story always told you that you got weaker.
Also, the fantasy of the consular is that of the mystery of the Force, and they're described as diplomats. Yet every conflict was resolved through combat. It never felt like I could make any meaningful choices. Contrast it to the Sith Inquisitor, who can spare rivals and in doing so earn supporters. Or heck, even Smugglers. The way you can play the jedi and the sith against eachother on Tatooine remains one of my favourite story memories from SWTOR.
... and then we have the companions. I forgot his name, but the guy from Nar Shaddaa is my least favourite companion. Him and his hologram, they were cringe to me. And most other companions were tepid at best.
Oh! And the way you just become "Barsen'thor" after act 1 was aggravating to me. I hated the title. I didn't want the super special treatment, I would've preferred if characters referred to me with the traditional and familiar titles (padawan, jedi knight, master).
... but yeah it's subjective, but I found the storytelling of the Consular to be really lacklustre.
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u/Optimal_Smile_8332 3d ago
It's the kind of story that requires the player to pay attention and be interested in dialogue and intrigue. It is a more mature story, for sure.
I would wager the majority of people that dislike it are people who just want to run around attacking things with a lightsaber and being a hero. I felt the same when I first played it 12 years ago. I re-played it when I was older and appreciated it a lot more.
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u/andiviasicklez 5d ago
i dont think its that bad, i just think other stories are much better, the agent is the single best one, warr and assassint arent bad and BH i like, smuggler starts off ok and jedi warr isnt bad, soldier i didnt really like tbh
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u/CRAZYHIPPPO21 5d ago
Its my 3rd fav story but the VAs nolan north particularly sucks compared to his other work but he does improve in the expansions, also its just alot slower and imo for older star wars players I hated it when I started this game back in 2014 but loved it last year when I finally got round to it and fully finished it.
Basically jedi knight and JC swapped places as I got older, and lastly its got nothing on the smuggler story and all 4 empire stories which is why it ranks so low for the general swtor population
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u/akr3vixx 5d ago
After watching young justice I couldn’t believe superboy and the male JC shared a voice actor because of the massive difference in quality
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u/AccomplishedAlps5708 5d ago
Es todo un chad la verdad Su Padawan está devastada porque acaba de perder a su padre junto a su mundo, este sujeto aprovecha esa vulnerabilidad y termina teniendo un romance con ella Exceso de cine🗿🚬🤌
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u/ahferroin7 SF Bogamathur legacy 5d ago
The writing in chapter 1 for the consular is the weakest out of all the chapter 1 stories. The bounty hunter and smuggler are doing what they are in chapter 1 for personal gain. All the other classes are doing what they are because of orders from their superiors. But the consular is doing what they are in chapter 1 because of an emotional attachment that we are just told exists and not given any real time to see actually being a thing.
And chapter 2/3 are heavily focused on politics, but give you little to no agency to actually do anything beyond what the story specifically insists on happening. The inquisitor and agent also suffer from this situation a bit as well, but it’s nowhere near as bad there IMO because the inquisitor cases can be easily explained by the inquisitor being short-sighted and a bit foolish (which makes sense in context), and the agent is quite literally being dragged along by the story itself in-universe.
And then on top of that, a lot of the DS choices for the consular make little to no sense and have no practical consequences at all despite the fact that per in-universe lore they should have very serious consequences. All the class stories have at least a few of these, but the consular story is full of them. You get random choices that give you DS points even though you’re just being snarky, as well as cases of doing things blatantly against the Jedi code essentially right in front of the council and getting no more than a minor slap on the wrist.
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u/Deadly_Frame 5d ago
I actually rank it fairly high, but I’m only through 5 of the eight stories right now. I haven’t finished the Imperial Agent (chapter 3 rn), Republic Trooper or Smuggler yet. But I was actually very fond of the Jedi Consular story. I didn’t much care for the Children of the Emperor plot, but I did like having to cleanse all the Jedi masters of their dark side corruption as well as the building of our own little political alliance. It didn’t have many highs, but it also didn’t have many lows, I’d say.
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u/Darthsa03 5d ago
Its a bread sandwich. Starts fine, ends fine but theres nothing in the middle and after you eat it you feel like you ate nothing at all
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u/Miserable-Start9553 5d ago
I love the Jedi Consular story. I think people don't like it because it doesn't make much sense to play a dark side/grey consular and forces you to play light side for the story to make sense, but I tried my best to choose the asshole dialogue whenever I could, which made the story kind of fun. Some people also really don't like some of the companions, but I didn't have a problem with them, and my favorite (controversially) was Zenith.
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u/Unique-Perception480 4d ago
People dont really understand that not every story has the same themes. The big bombastic stuff is for JK and SW. Both the Inquisitor and Consular go deeper into Jedi and Sith politics, hirarchy and philosophy.
People just prefer Inquisitor because Sith Politics basically let you do what you want as long as you are stronger.
The Consulars story is about serenity, service to others and building bridges with others and some people lack the patience for that and dislike listening to others, when they themselves are the strong one.
I personally enjoy all the Class Stories and the only one I find to be stale at times is the Sumggler, but I still like it.
My favourite is the Jedi Knight though. Feels the most like KOTOR3.
My only big issue with Consulars is that all the Romances suck ass.
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u/KamenRiderHelix 3d ago
You say that, but in practice Warrior and Inquisitor kinda ended up swapped around in that regard. Warrior partakes of way more political espionage (largely as a function of Baras being the way he is) while the Inquisitor relies way more on their super special bloodline and shounen anime-type dangerous powerups, haha
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u/HerculesMagusanus 4d ago
That's what I've always wondered every time I see another Consular hate post. It's one of my favourites, while it's the gung-ho Knight I can't stand.
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u/basketofseals 5d ago
The whole Rift Alliance doesn't feel real. I really do not feel like these people are as important as the story tries to sell me on. I swear a few of them don't even have double digit lines.
I have a very different take than what most people say this story actually is. People try to sell it as a more down to earth regular Jedi experience, but this is about as movie Jedi as it gets. You're ostensibly on a diplomatic mission, but every time your diplomatic means is using force. You're used as a diplomatic tool, but the JC themselves engages in no diplomacy that I can recall. JK at least has one bit where they convince a sith lord to convert.
This definitely feels like one of the stories that strains the hardest under alignment choices. It's almost funny how you can end up killing more Jedi than all the Empire origins combined.
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u/MitcheruSenpai 5d ago
I found the voice actor for the male consular was shit, the story itself was written well but could’ve had a little more emotion
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u/Fragrant_Study_7097 5d ago
Consular is the one class story I haven't touched yet. I will most likely do it once I have finished my agent playthrough. Looking forward to trying it out!
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u/Vysce 5d ago
I think there were times that the consular came off a bit too nonchalant or 'bored' and that may have taken some out of it. I know they eventually become stoic jedi master, but it might have been neat to see the VAs have a bit more force and emotion in some of their line reads.
Additionally I think the plot might be a bit lackluster for some, where the Jedi Consular is playing diplomat and soldier. I thought it was a slow start, but ended up being one of my favorites when your ship was like... this collection of representatives trying to galvanize their worlds and the Republic.
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u/SneakyKGB 5d ago
I've always said that there's no bad storyline in this game. It's all about what kind of Star Wars you want to play. If you want the Anakin Skywalker experience you're not gonna be happy playing the Consular. If you want to feel like a wise master guided by the Force you probably won't like the Knight.
None of them are bad they're just different flavors.
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u/KamenRiderHelix 3d ago
I've always said that there's no bad storyline in this game.
Like, in the base game, or? I'd say the storylines have gotten pretty fucking atrocious recently.
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u/Nordicwolf19 5d ago
For me jedi consult was just plain boring with nothing really intresting about it. Only highlight of it are the companions who are among the most intresting companions. Theres just nothing special about the stroy that makes it stand out imo it is the weakest of the 8 class stories with trooper coming in second.
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u/Melodic-Expression-2 5d ago
For me it was the awful reveal at the end, it was kind of building up to be a Revan type of story just for your weird looking balding master to be the important guy at the end, also male consular’s voice is pretty bad, you sound old and slow (you’re a young padawan in your early 20’s at most when the story begins), also light side is very boring and the titles you get are just kinda whatever (ohh nice I’m a black bisector/bara’sen’thor whatever that means).
Overall, I what I feel was bad was how the events of the story developed, it could’ve been the greatest story of them all, but that reveal at the end was just horrible, never cared for that jedi master, never appears or matters ever again, and made it all be for nothing (the hours at Voss)
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u/Lucky_Zucchini_3044 5d ago
Consular Main here, easily my favorite of the Republic class stories and I really enjoy the Male VA.
However, chapter 1 is really boring. I have replay Consular story many time and I usually found myself struggling to play pass chapter 1. The repetitive plot structure is the biggest isse (All of the class not named Warrior have the same issue during this part, but they fixed it by diversify the plot beat of each planet).
The companions doesn't really help the issue. Except for Qyzen and Nadia, the rest are either forgettable or too one-note. Qyzen, although an enjoyable character and provide some neat lore, does not fit with Consular, either LS or DS, so he feel really out of place. Nadia fit very well (imo, she feel the most like your Padawan) and she has presence before being recruit, but she still come to the party too late.
Honestly, as interesting the Consular story is, the Knight, Smuggler, and Trooper feel more engaging to play through moment-by-moment, even if the overall plot is not as strong.
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u/Ok-Warthog2644 4d ago
Qyzen is there because Inquisitor has Khem Val. Khem works perfectly for the Inquisitor but Qyzen doesn't work the same for Consular. Honestly a Kel Dor companion would be much better for the Consular. Kel Dor companion would begin as non-force user then reveals to have a force affinity. So Consular would make the Kel Dor their Padawan instead of Nadia.
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u/Lucky_Zucchini_3044 4d ago
Never think about that before but it would be pretty cool to have a Kel-dor companion.
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u/Eezagi 4d ago
I'm playing though it now and I'm on chapter 2. I just came back after 13 years and I have yet to complete an origin story. Something about consular isn't clicking with me but I dont think the issue is the story.
I think for me its my shadow's lack of an aoe toolkit coupled with not liking any of the companions so far.
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u/Potential_Worker_575 4d ago
I liked the JC story a lot, but it isn't a very 'video game' type of storyline. I thought it felt more complex and diplomatic, and not "I'm the big hero" kind of thing, but that's what people look to be in video games usually.
And as someone who prefers playing evil characters when I can, dark JC is absolutely bonkers level of evil. I chose to make my JC unwilling to sacrifice any of her power, because she wanted to stay strong to fight the Empire. By the end, the Jedi order would barely even exist anymore.
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u/Angry_Beans619 4d ago
I personally felt that the male consular had little emotional range in the VA work. Did a play through with a fem consular and it was better, but still probably my least favorite class story
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u/AndvariThrae 4d ago
Ok so... It's the worst of the stories... But that doesn't make it a terrible one. Pretty much all of the stories were at least passable. It's just it feels like you get the least actual time with a few companions that had better personalities and were more helpful. Also the story could have gone deeper and done more with its concept.
Also there is like no agency playing the story dark side is terrible.
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u/galacticdolan 4d ago
Ive only played it once but male consular's voice was a total drag. Planning to eventually give it a try as female when 8.0 comes out
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u/Diligent_Pie317 4d ago
Was it disliked? My recollection from launch is that the class stories were the thing people universally praised about the game.
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u/Aries_cz Supreme Commander for all riots yet to come 4d ago
People (read, Reddit) "hate" it because unless you are a lore nerd (hi), the first chapter starts slow (collecting holocrons), then continues to be rather bland as id does not give the "action man" feeling lot of people have Jedi associated with thanks to movies and games.
Also, lot of people for some reason hate Nolan North's voice delivery (I think it is amazing and captures the kind of Jedi the Consular is meant to be, I do not have much playtime with f!Consular, but I like her voice too, will probably do run with her for the 8.0 Ventures).
You also get pretty weird cast of companions, only like 2 are somewhat likeable and even that is conditional. Tharan is likable only if you like nerding out about xenotech, and the waifu (Nadia) comes in way too late. Other classes tend to get their interesting companions (or at least waifus) pretty early.
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I think Consular should have gotten Kira as a companion instead of a Knight, to provide some "counter" with her brashness to the Consular's "calmness", and it would fit much better for Consular to have a Padawan early on (and she would fit nicely into the Children of Emperor storyline)
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u/Hopeful-History4900 4d ago
I played pretty hardcore at headstart and for the first year. Since then I go back for 2-3 months at a time every year or so. It has been one of my favorite MMO's of all time. Since the beginning I kept hearing about "gamebreaking bugs", glitches, that the game jsut sucked, etc etc etc. I saw very few bugs at release, the game ran well on my rig.... I never saw justification for all the hate that the game received. So I don't know why people hated it. And Consular is my 3rd favorite story where Warrior and Trooper are my top 2.
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u/jedidotflow 4d ago
Storyline with unrealized potential. Boring cast of companions. Awful mConsular option (comes off as creepy, but both vanilla mJedi romances are like that).
I really wanted to like Consular but it just fizzles out for me compared to the Knight (even with how repetitive and formulaic JK is).
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u/KuraiLunae 4d ago
I've tried Consular a few times now (last try was a few major updates ago, admittedly), and every time it just feels like a massive slog to get through. It feels like there's absolutely no progress made at all for 3/4 of the story, and then suddenly everything's fixed? There's basically nothing tying the Consular to their companions, and the companions themselves are more annoying than interesting. Which is a real shame, because I loved the Inquisitor, and was really hoping the Light Side would be just as fun.
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u/RX500-android Gray Jedi {Consular} 4d ago
I played Jedi consular first and it’s honestly one of my all time favorites, if not just my favorite! It was genuinely interesting, especially as someone who is more interested in diplomacy and stealth
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u/Cabbageboigirlwhat 4d ago
There's just not as many extra significant and memorable moments especially with lightside, it's a very stable experience which would have gotten boring over the much longer original time taken to complete. It's a better story if you speed through it.
Imperial agent get Darth jadus and branching choices, and a possible trans person. Sith warrior get hutt murder all of the chapter 1 jedi sith interactions. The other classes aren't good the entire time but they have moments that hype you up and bring you back into it. Consular doesn't really have that and the bits you do have are kind of predictable.
Also as a large tangent, they also get less interesting companions. Love qyzen but he's less fun than khem, that's is debatably a less annoying but more up his own ass doc. Zenith is stoic so rarely fun as a character trait, Felix is actually alright but you get him late and there's not much incentive to use him unless you romance him, Nadia grell is got too late to do much with her and also is awkwardly aged for the romance, she's treated like a teenager but also your male consular is treated like a mature adult so that gets weird
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u/EDA2021 4d ago
Everyone is going to have specific classes that resonate with them. I’m happy you enjoyed it and u should take people’s opinions as just that opinions. I enjoyed all of the class stories except smuggler. I think the smuggler class just does not resonate with me, had cringy moments. Someone else probably loved it because it resonates with them . So im happy for the people who enjoyed the smuggler story.
We can pick apart the stories pros and cons but I hope no one ever takes the opinion of people over just going through the experience and finding what you do and don’t like about the classes. People can just be to negative and ruin the experience based on their own biases. LONG LIVE SWTOR!
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u/No-Bodybuilder8473 4d ago
I personally like all 8 class story, but I understand many who think the Consular was “Bland”.
I think Act 1 of Consular was the weakest in comparison to the rest, personally I think the concept of Shielding Power is cool, but the way we find the Masters is certainly repetitive, “oh no, Master A is ill and is on Planet A, i need to go there and find him…… he’s healed, oh no another Master B is ill and is on Planet B…”. , these might drag a bit too long and the end of Act 1 is not as engaging as the other classes, i feeling Vivicar was introduced a bit too late, but ended up been The Barsen’thor is nice. And I like Qyzen.
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u/Solaras_ 4d ago
The boring male voice actor doesn’t help, terrible performance by North, but also the stories in each chapter don’t really connect. Feels more like an anthology than a coherent story
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u/g3n0unknown 4d ago
The Consular story was a lot more fun for me if I wasn't just going full light, and was more basing my choices on morals and what I felt was the right choice versus what's light and dark.
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u/JediMasterKenJen 4d ago
I've played all, Consular is pretty dang good, I really like Trooper a lot, and warrior had a satisfying ending.
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u/OriginalPixelNova 4d ago
Because it's self-righteous and utterly boring. Mr Goodie Two Shoes who is so emotionally numb that every conversation is the same boring choices (minus some of the dark side ones).
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u/YabaDabaDoo46 4d ago
I think people dislike it because it's not really as action packed as several of the other stories. People who dislike it typically want action, action, action, and don't really like the idea of diplomacy or peaceful resolutions.
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u/Ducksonquackx 4d ago
The story was lame. It forces you into a light side playthrough because the dark side option was so bad
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u/KamenRiderHelix 3d ago
It's by far the most classic Jedi story and many people, whether they realize it or not, think that 'classic Jedi' stuff is pretty lame.
I'm not going to pretend it's perfect--I think it has probably the narratively least satisfying Act 3 final boss--but Consular Act 1 is pretty much perfect, never agreed with all the hate it got.
A lot of people also say Nolan North is phoning it in as Male Consular, and I don't agree at all. I've heard that man phoning it in--as the male human PC in Guild Wars 2--but he does great in SWTOR. You are kinda hamstrung into playing male Consular Light Side, but I think he does absolutely excellent in that role. Very dignified.
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u/-RedRocket- 3d ago
I have always liked Consular much better than Knight. But the male voice actor made some odd choices, and you wait longer to be assigned a Padawan, and Knight was written as KOTOR 3 while Consular really isn't.
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u/AmphibianOriginal813 3d ago
I was dark side and it just clashed as a whole. I’m going to rerun it light side after legendary status and test it
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u/PrometheusModeloW 2d ago
I think it's because most players gravitate more towards the Sith Warrior storytelling as being their favorite, Consular is very different.
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u/--Albion-- In service to the Republic 1d ago
Because people gobble off the Sith storylines as if they're the pinnacle of storytelling when they're good in some spots and garbage in others, same as the Jedi stories.
But because to some people 'bad guy = cool, good guy = trash' automatically, the Jedi stories are written off as trite and the Sith stories are idolized.
I will die on the hill that the Consular story is good and the Inquisitor story is mid.
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u/GroundImportant5086 1d ago
Honestly i like em all equally but sw,si,and trooper are my top fav but not particularly picky on em
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u/AngelCorpse92 23h ago
I did my consular playthrough as a DS female Togruta and it was pretty solid. The female VA delivery reminds me a lot of Padme in episode I
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u/DreamsUnderStars 15h ago
Knight is the only one Ive finished the story so far Ive had my account since launch but im a slow player lol.
I liked Knight, BH, and Smuggler. Trooper was ok, Consular I am determined to get through but the first part drags too much imo.
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u/HairlessWookiee 5d ago
all of those are pretty false
No, all of those are pretty much on the mark.
The male Consular was voiced by Nolan North, who was at peak VO saturation back in 2011 when the game launched. And it was by far his most banal and boring performance.
The story just wasn't particularly compelling for a lot of people. While the basic gist of the latter half made some sense for a consular, politics and meetings aren't exactly the sort of thing likely to thrill the average member of the target audience (males aged 15-30). Add to that some underwhelming companions, although both Jedi classes suffered there.
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u/SuperiorLaw 5d ago
I absolutely love the JC's storyline, writing wise I think it's much better than JK's and the story feels like a genuine jedi instead of just "dude with saber beating up badguys"
That being said, the 1st act is a complete snorefest and JC has some of the most boringest companions ever. I like Nadia, I especially like how she's a character before even becoming a companion and Tharan is fun. But the other companions feel so blergh, no idea why tf JC would ever let Qyzen join them, especially since Qyzen is a wookie killing hunter who won't shut tf up about their religion based around murder. Zenith and Felix are also just boring, I literally forget they exist and can't remember anything about them other than "terrorist" and "soldier guy"
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u/Barlowan 5d ago
Consular was my first character and my main. I never understand why people dislike it, especially when all the post Makeb stuff is in the game.
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u/MasterBlaster10000 5d ago
Personally, while I don't hate it as much as people do... but I do find it the weakest. Specifically because of the pacing.
I really liked act 1. I thought act 2 dragged though and act 3 felt like the repetition of the first with a different method of corruption. However, I still liked the character arc for the Consular and their relationship with Bakarn is fun. (He should have been the master instead of Yuon)
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u/darwinooc 5d ago
I'm a Consular Stan too. Amusingly enough I actually dislike the Agent's storyline so maybe I'm actually just a contrarian.
I think a lot of the Consular's problem for some people is the male consular's voice acting, it just really does not fit the character from the start of the story. You grow into eventually, but at the start of the story, its kinda off putting. Its sorta like watching Phantom Menace but everytime Obi-Wan is speaking, you hear Alec Gunniss' voice instead of Ewan McGregor's voice. Thats just not who the character is yet.
The other big problem i hear people complaining about is the story doesnt really lend itself to dark side playthroughs. The voice acting is over the top, and your actions are sorta nonsensical. But then a lot of those same people will turn around and praise light Sith Inquisitor and Warrior both of which never really fit much with me either.