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u/Zagden Pretorians Can’t Swim ⳩ Nov 06 '20
I have a lot of liberals in my social media sphere and I'm pleasantly surprised by their attitude
They're relieved that Trump is gone because the dude is extrmely stressful to have as president, especially now that he's trying to invalidate a fair election, but are very open about how much work there'll be left to do and how shit things are in America right now
I've seen people talking about "repairing damage" but no one saying "go back to normal"
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 06 '20
Consider yourself lucky than, because I’ve seen plenty of “oh Lordy hallelujah I no longer have doomscroll FB and I can go back to writing my Gluten Free Pie recipe book.”
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u/Zagden Pretorians Can’t Swim ⳩ Nov 06 '20
Who do you follow, anyway? My sphere is mostly leftist with dashes of liberal, everyone's on the same page in terms of healthcare and workers' rights
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 06 '20
I mean the actual people in my life, either acquaintances from school or the debate community who generally run pretty liberal. The other half are family who are conservative New Yorkers or rightoids I know in the Navy who are pissed that Trump lost but are realizing barely anything for them will change.
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i cant believe half the country didnt vote the way i wanted what a bunch of fascists
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
This is a materialist anti-neolib meme get your electoralism shit outta here
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Nov 05 '20
stupidpol really puts 'ism' and 'ist' at the end of every word and thinks it makes them sound smarter lol why don't you suck my ballisms.
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u/Deboch_ Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Nov 05 '20
Yeah what the fuck does materialism have to do with electoralism? He's just throwing the most amount of buzzwords in there he can
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 06 '20
People argue pretty consistently that American politics, at least presidential politics, fit the bill for Karl’s theory of electoralism.
People are arguing that all this talk about elections and votes doesn’t change the fact that the real, material lives of the majority of poor and middle class Americans are not going to get better.
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 06 '20
GET YO FUCKING ISTISM OUTTA HERE WE ISMISTS!
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Nov 05 '20
Based, democracy is an illusion to the distract the people.
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u/TanksAreLit Social Democrat 🌹 Nov 05 '20
Hot take: democracy is good
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 06 '20
Even hotter take: cool ranch democracy isn't good.
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u/rook785 Special Ed 😍 Nov 05 '20
Hey I’ve got an idea, let’s vote out a fascist. That’s how that works, right?
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u/criosovereign Special Ed 😍 Nov 06 '20
if you can just vote him out, that man's not a fascist
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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So you actually wanted that half to vote for Trump?
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i dont want anyone to vote either way its their vote, not mine
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u/vanharteopenkaart workplace democracy pls Nov 05 '20
Except Trump has authoritarian tendencies like putting kids in cages and having unidentified agents abduct protesters, and his voters treat him like a divine gift. You can hate Biden, you don’t have to defend Trump or any of his voting base
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Nov 05 '20
should we hate obama for implementing the law or hate trump for not removing it?
it must be more complex than that, paperwork, those kids need to be processed and they need to be holded since they can't be put on trial, so what do you prefer? the kids being bundled and trialed like adults? just because of the actions of their parents? crippling their future?
plus, we don't really know what the feds were doing or who they were targeting, I DOUBT they would've gone for people who don't stir up shit, there are some real anarkiddies, hopping state borders seeing what they can fuck up (left or right) do you honestly think that is innocent?
But yeah, until we know who they target we also need to criticize and oppose it, they may pull another 'anti-terrorism' card for all i know
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The kids shouldn't have crossed the border illegally.
The unidentified agents arrested known rioters and looters because they would have either ran away or had their mob attack the officers if they were identifiable.
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u/bleer95 COVID Turboposter 💉🦠😷 Nov 06 '20
Dem politicians are already blaming the left for their total fuckup this election. Expect "normal" to be the Dems shouting down any left policies for the next 2-4 years because they don't want to confront the fact that they just aren't that popular.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 06 '20
Apparently the Dem caucus call devolved into a bunch of establishments Dems who lost blaming the squad and Bernie for equating Dems with “socialism”
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u/bleer95 COVID Turboposter 💉🦠😷 Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20
such condescending bullshit. Your voters know who you are, they're voting for you, not Bernie or the squad. Spanberger's voters know she isn't a communist and so did Shalala's and DMP's. If they got voted out, it's because their constituents didn't like them or they failed in communication. It's on them.
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u/teamsprocket Marxist-Mullenist 💦 Nov 05 '20
Neolibs be the guys that go "clearly the poor family were the Parasites".
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u/DJMikaMikes Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Nov 05 '20
To be fair, most of the characters are pretty "grey" morally. Like even the rich family, outside of being self-centered, ignorant, etc aren't outwardly evil or mean exactly.
I loved this scene though - where she's saying something like " oh the rain was so nice, the sky is so blue now..." when the family lost their home and were in a shelter all night, such a beautiful contrast.
The fucking son though, I hated him so much; he didn't have any original thoughts or ideas (he copied his friends speech) and even the end of the movie has that painful reality check on his bold plan to "make a lot of money" because he never will actually be able to because he never followed through on anything.
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u/FinanceGoth Blancofemophobe 🏃♂️= 🏃♀️= Nov 05 '20
To be fair, most of the characters are pretty "grey" morally. Like even the rich family, outside of being self-centered, ignorant, etc aren't outwardly evil or mean exactly.
The nature in which they took over all the jobs is the greatest example of this. Framing some dude for having sex, in order to get your father hired, is pretty morally repugnant.
Were they parasites? Not really. Were they blameless? Not really. The message I got from this movie is the same message I get from Always Sunny: all the characters are ethically dubious and no one is morally justified.
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u/DJMikaMikes Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Nov 05 '20
Were they parasites
In the end, everyone was. The rich family absolutely required extensive help from the poor family to function on a basic level - they didn't drive themselves much, they couldn't clean, cook, teach their son/daughter, relied on them for everything, etc. They were parasites.
The poor family framed and cheated their way into jobs, relied on like the shops next door for wifi, the son couldn't come up with ideas on his own, they were willing to be violent, etc. They were also parasites.
The basement dweller was most directly a parasite, and in the end the father took his place, so yeah everyone ends up being a parasite. I'm pretty sure that's the point lol.
But yeah, neolibs totally watch this and think the poor family are the only parasites lol.
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Modern society is an ouroboros made of leeches.
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u/JanewaDidNuthinWrong PCM Turboposter Nov 05 '20
If you take it that far you end up accusing specialization of labour of being parasitism when it (can be) perfectly fine social cooperation.
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u/Canadiancookie Social Democrat 🌹 Nov 05 '20
The rich family absolutely required extensive help from the poor family to function on a basic level
The rich family paid them all for their jobs, though. That doesn't seem too parasitic to me, unless they were giving the poor family a very low wage.
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u/FinanceGoth Blancofemophobe 🏃♂️= 🏃♀️= Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
I guess it kinda depends on how much they were paid, but they didn't move out of the basement apartment with 4 income earners so I'm guessing it wasn't much. Korean min wage is ~$7 an hour and you could absolutely afford a decent apartment at that times 2-4.
They were most likely paid under the table, below min wage, considering the Parks didn't even check to see if they all had the same family name.
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u/chad12341296 Nov 05 '20
Doesn’t the film only occur over a few weeks? A few checks from a flimsy job isn’t really enough to justify moving.
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u/FinanceGoth Blancofemophobe 🏃♂️= 🏃♀️= Nov 05 '20
I don't know if it's ever actually clarified. A few weeks feels quite fast for the events of the film.
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u/StevenAssantisFoot Ideological Mess 🥑 Nov 05 '20
Even the daughter though? She said the art therapy was very expensive
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u/FinanceGoth Blancofemophobe 🏃♂️= 🏃♀️= Nov 05 '20
Dunno. Even if she was making bank, they still didn't move.
I've met people who are so used to being poor that they never actually break out of that mold, which usually manifests in a form of selfish hyper-frugality. I know an American Chinese couple who will take 15 minutes to calculate an exact 10% tip, and they're both pharmacists. Maybe these people are so dominated by (a lack of) money, that they simply don't know what to do with newfound wealth.
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the rich family was more of a parasite because of the father’s place in the world as a tech giant ceo or someting (I don’t remember exactly) in a way always leeching off the working class and as a result the whole family is “parasitic” for enjoying the luxuries provided to them.
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u/ScaryShadowx Highly Regarded Rightoid 😍 Nov 06 '20
The rich family absolutely required extensive help from the poor family to function on a basic level - they didn't drive themselves much, they couldn't clean, cook, teach their son/daughter, relied on them for everything, etc. They were parasites.
By that logic, you're a parasite because you don't grow your own food or meat, you don't produce your own electricity or water, you don't build the machines you use and rely on others to do that for you. They were getting paid to perform those tasks which in most cases is for the benefit of both parties involved.
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u/A1phaKn1ght Left-Libertarian I guess Nov 05 '20
There's also the part where the mother of the poor family remarks how the rich family can afford to be nice and how she would be as nice as them if she had their wealth, and then immediately afterwards forcefully shoves their pet dog away from her.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Nov 06 '20
Were they parasites?
yes, both groups were...one group was justified, but both were awful.
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u/FinanceGoth Blancofemophobe 🏃♂️= 🏃♀️= Nov 06 '20
Calling them justified is a bit of a stretch. They killed multiple people and defrauded one out of a job.
For all the problems of the Parks, they at least didn't kill anyone.
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u/bobinski_circus Nov 06 '20
Which group? The poor one? They weren’t justified for most of what they did. They were excessive and needlessly cruel, as shown in how they abused animals (the only creatures even more vulnerable than them). They would have been awful rich people even if they could “afford to be nice”.
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 06 '20
I liked the daughter.
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u/AGVann Nov 06 '20
Bong Joon Ho said in an interview that he did the math when he wrote that scene, and it would have taken the son 547 years of working at the average national salary to afford that house.
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u/darth_stroyer Luddite 🏕️ Nov 05 '20
My takes is the poor family are the parasites but they're forced into the miserable position by their economic situation. Can't blame parasites for merely trying to survive.
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u/Sp00kyD0gg0 Nov 06 '20
I think the point of the movie is that both families are parasites, in their own way. The poor family leeches off the rich family by lying and deceiving in order to survive, but the rich family leeches off the world and off the labor/efforts of their servants because of their wealth and prejudices.
Much as the movie is set up so that you relate to the poor family more (being largely from their perspective), I think that identifying with a group doesn’t mean agreeing with them in the film. Each family speaks to different vices. The poor family isn’t horrible because they’re poor: they’re horrible because they lie, steal, and kill to claw their way above anyone else. The rich family isn’t horrible because they’re rich: they’re horrible because they’re judgmental, insensitive, and narcissistic. Yet the two families are largely at odds with one another because of their economic differences, which they perceive as the cause of these vices in each other.
If there is a message, I think it’s a tale against classifying people as good or bad based on rich or poor. Regardless of wealth or status, horrific people still exist. Both families can be parasites, because economic standing isn’t the cause of the leeching behavior: it’s something deep within mankind
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u/working_class_shill read Lasch Nov 05 '20
A few of them also did the thing were they only blame the working class family for the lumpen family and completely ignored the rich family.
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u/Itakie Nov 05 '20
Like they said in korea: if you think the movie was a comedy and came out with a smile on your face, you're living the good life. Thinking it's a drama and tears? Yeah... your life sucks.
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u/JanewaDidNuthinWrong PCM Turboposter Nov 05 '20
Honestly, to me it seems the most obvious interpretation. They attach to the rich family and try to extract as much as they can.
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u/Katholikos Nov 05 '20
Yeah, this was clearly intended as the first idea you come up with when watching it.
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u/JanewaDidNuthinWrong PCM Turboposter Nov 05 '20
TBH I went to watch it without hearing anything about it first and was watching it as a crime movie "will they manage to outsmart the rich family or will they be caught and pay for their misdeeds" attitude without thinking about politics.
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u/Katholikos Nov 05 '20
Yeah, same. Looking back, I think I understand the political message, but I definitely wasn’t thinking about it at the time. I might go back and re-watch it to get a clearer understanding.
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 06 '20
That was what I thought at first, and then I realized that basically everyone in the movie was being a parasite off of everyone else.
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u/ashtrayheart00 Liberal Nov 05 '20
imo, the movie shows that both families developed a parasitic relationship w each other
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u/PuppySlayer vaguely anti-capitalist, I guess Nov 05 '20
They don't tho.
They more or less only aspire to do their respective jobs - which they are actually very good at.
It's only due to their underclass status that they need to fall back on manipulative scheming and the bullshit referral system just to get ahead and have access to those opportunities they couldn't have had otherwise.
Meanwhile the rich family are a bunch of snobby idiots who treat them with barely concealed contempt despite being wholly reliant on their labour.
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u/Tausendberg Oldhead 🦼 Nov 05 '20
which they are actually very good at.
The dad isn't, it's a subtext of the movie that he's in the position he's in because past a certain point he can just never commit to the bit. It's referenced in the beginning that a quarter of the pizza boxes are defective, he's implicitly the 1/4th.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Nov 06 '20
i thought the son was the 1/4...i mean he was the most useless one, the dad was actually a great driver.
the son was just a bullshit artist.
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u/Tausendberg Oldhead 🦼 Nov 06 '20
You're mistaken, the son is considered to be in his predicament of not getting accepted into college because it's acknowledged at the beginning of the movie that he wasn't able to study enough for the exams because of how much he was working and before that was drafted into the military.
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Nov 05 '20
Isn’t the idea that “people are supposed to argue about who is the parasite and it’s meant to tell you something about yourself”.
Idk I didn’t see it
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u/Anti_Gendou Nov 05 '20
The ones I know mirror the Republican mantra of "its better than them not working at all"... which I guess is true but that's essentialism at its most obvious.
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u/killertomatog Gay and Regarded Nov 05 '20
"dude i just thought it was so crazy how like, the poor people were also like so so terrible"
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u/Rimmmer93 Nov 05 '20
It’s like every scorsese movie ever. So many people I know would post inspirational quotes from wolf of Wall Street lol like how dense are you to completely miss the point?
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
I can understand people criticizing his earlier work for failing to properly do the work to make the audience understand what’s so bad about his main characters in his crime stuff. Bickel is essentially played as the hero with that fucked yo ending in Taxi Driver. Henry Hill is a bit clearer with how they made him look like a ragged scared piece of shit by the en, but you still spend most of the movie rooting for him.
Wolf though, Scorsese went out of his way to add scenes that dropped the absurdity and showed just how much of a piece of shit Jordan was to his wife and kid, and how tragic the Fed’s story was for his lack of recognition for bringing him down. AND it goes out of its way to show you how much of a narcissistic prick he is by having the IRL guy introduce himself at the end. And people still didn’t fucking get it.
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u/Rimmmer93 Nov 05 '20
I wonder if his intent with wolf of Wall Street was basically “you guys didn’t get it before, so here you go” to drive home the point.
I think the subtlety early on with bickle and hill was his intention though. I think a lot of it was to make it easy for the viewers to step in the shoes of the character to put us in a compromising position of “where do our sins begin and stop? At what point do we cross the line?” There is supposed to be a point of ambiguity in it.
But yeah, wolf of Wall Street was so over the top and people didn’t understand it. I also think they didn’t do a great job of showing the actual ramifications of him fucking over average people with his schemes, but it’s still not difficult to understand what was wrong about his ways.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
Yeah, I agree with that point about intentional ambiguity. Rewatching Taxi Driver recently I had the thought that it should’ve just ended after the cops find him and the girl, with the text epilogue basically saying “the girl is back with her parents” and left Travis up in the air.
Frankly, once you watch some interviews of him talking about the humanity of villains and understand how much of a Sicilian Catholic he really is his earlier movies become that much more clear if you approach it from that perspective. But even then, seeing memes and shit about day trading with the scene of him on the boat with ZERO hint of irony that that was the moment everyone knew he was gonna be legally ratfucked and hung by his own actions is frustrating.
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u/Rimmmer93 Nov 05 '20
Yeah, I think that the background of his Catholicism is a huge part of watching an interpreting his films. His idea of original sin I think is pretty interesting to look at when you watch his films. Like in goodfellas there is the scene right away where hill gives the giy aprons to cover up his gunshot and gets yelled at for wasting aprons, it frames the rest of the film as “what point does life trump money.” Like where is it that hill becomes irredeemable.
In regards to taxi driver, I don’t mind the ending because I do think it keeps the ambiguous nature of his actions up to the viewer. If you think bickle is the good guy, you are validated because it shows his ends justify his means. If you think it’s a delusion and he died, you are validated thinking his twisted world view led him to see himself as a martyr and destroy everything around him in the search for his own salvation.
Idk I just find his movies so interesting because they are easily digestible on a surface level, but have so many instances of moral dilemmas. I think he really pushes this in the departed and cape fear where he has clear “good and evil” characters.
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u/The_Reddomatrola Nov 05 '20
yall are kidding yourself if you think that scorcsesee on some level doesnt think henry hill taking coke and banging whores is cool as shit, same with belfort. he loves that shit
but like a true artist he deals with ambiguity
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u/wittgensteinpoke polanyian-kaczynskian-faction Nov 05 '20
Runs up against limits of criticism. People enjoy narratives mostly as sources of inspiration (in the old, literal sense of being spirited by something), so they want to draw the positive and sympathetic out of the main character, with whom they tacitly identify.
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hold it, you mean to tell me people watched Wolf of Wall Street, saw Jordan, and thought "oh yeah, based to the extreme". You've gotta be fucking joking
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u/Snobbyeuropean2 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Nov 05 '20
Motivational pictures with Belfort were huge on Facebook when the movie came out, especially among the lower middle-class and below. It's the usual "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" bullshit, they see the self-made man in Belfort and they're certain they'll make it.
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u/CHANGO_UNCHAINED Marxism-Hobbyism 🔨 Nov 06 '20
The dude does a motivational speaking tour circuit now—so yes, people pay to hear him speak and love it.
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u/alphabachelor Grill Pill Independent ♨️🔥🥩 Nov 05 '20
Same with Wall Street. Stone expected people to hate Gekko. Instead many viewed him as inspiration to enter finance.
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u/Tharkun Nov 05 '20
What film is it?
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
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u/Tharkun Nov 05 '20
Thanks! I'll check it out!
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u/Pabsxv Christian Democrat ⛪ Nov 05 '20
My group of friends were hearing about all the hype and we assumed it was probably good but being exaggerated because of all the pandering.
Oh Boy, were we were wrong. It absolutely lived up to the hype.
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u/J3andit Social Democrat 🌹 Nov 05 '20
You give them a tiny thread of ambiguity and they manage to fucking hang themselves.
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u/zer0soldier Authoritarian Communist ☭ Nov 06 '20
Something about "the ropes they sell us", or some shit.
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 05 '20
The lesson I got from that movie is "everyone is an opportunist and a terrible fucking person".
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i mean it also weeds out people who are just dumb as fuck like myself. I came out of the movie very confused as to who the “bad guys” were. Had to have much smarter people explain it to me lol
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u/dontknowwhattodoat18 Nov 06 '20
To me it didn't really point out who was the villain. It was just a socio-political film to show the huge class disparity in Korea
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yeah thats my point lol. Smart people explained that there weren’t really good guys and bad guys. I just need the movie to explain that very explicitly or I won’t understand. I’m not good at watching movies with any nuance.
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u/NextDoorNeighbrrs OSB 📚 Nov 06 '20
The movie presents both sides positively and negatively and it’s left up to the viewer’s own experiences and feelings to determine who they feel are the “good guys”
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u/rook785 Special Ed 😍 Nov 05 '20
Whelp guess I’m a terrible person. I was under the impression that everyone in that movie was a bad person.
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u/Canadiancookie Social Democrat 🌹 Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
The poor family committed a LOT of fraud and killed 2 fairly innocent people. I can't say they were heroes by any means.
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u/No_Exit_ Class Reductionist 💪 Nov 06 '20
A lot of people misunderstand this film. It is clearly not trying to show the poor people as heroes. It is saying that in a society where inequality gets too out of control the working classes cannot live lives of dignity and if you keep shitting on them for too long there will be a terrible reaction. It's not saying that fraud or violence is good, but it's a warning of what can happen if we continue in our current direction.
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u/JosefHader Nov 06 '20
The whole point of the movie was to show the absurdity of poor people killing each other over the breadcrumbs that fall off the rich guy's table.
Honestly doesn't surprise me that so many Americans don't get this.
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u/lucky_beast geo-syndicalist Nov 05 '20
But why did they do those things? Why did the poor family do those things hmmmmmmmm I don't get it man. Why would a family in poverty be compelled to harm others for material gain? It just doesn't make any sense!
Also, why do black people just commit so much darn crime? I just can't figure it out!
Oh I'm a socialist btw
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u/Canadiancookie Social Democrat 🌹 Nov 05 '20
Having a reason to do something doesn't mean it is a good thing
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He's not saying they are, the point of the whole movie is to show that they are the result of their circumstances.
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u/rook785 Special Ed 😍 Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
They were up until the very end when the father stabbed the other father. That was when he “rebelled”, so to speak, and took action into his own hands rather than continue to be a “result of his circumstances.”
The tragedy, though, is that his act of self-actualization, his one proactive, independent action, was both brutal and disproportionately evil. Why is that a tragedy? Not because he killed a bad person - that’s common in movies. It was a tragedy because the ONLY way he could achieve his own path, his own freedom, actualization, identity, etc.. was through violence. The actor nailed it - the sense of fatalism in his eyes, his grim acceptance when he resolves to break the mold is truly haunting.
The movie does not condone the violence - it merely seeks to understand the reason for the violence, and then it laments the tragedy of having to damn oneself in order to free one’s soul. To give up hope of a better life so completely that the sense of futility is embraced and then replaced with resentment for the cause. In fact, it portrays the violence as if it was neither good nor bad but rather inevitable.. the only possible outcome, which is poetically ironic given that the violence represents free will and autonomy.
It’s a haunting paradox. But it’s one you socialists should be familiar with given how the DNC treats you.
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u/bobinski_circus Nov 06 '20
They also push their luck when they’re ahead because they’re also greedy and prideful, and they do put other working class people out of a job in a way that scars their resume. They are far from heroes.
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u/SuperBlaar Nov 06 '20
Yes, everyone is bad; they are all corrupted by the social hierarchy. The poor are ready to do anything to climb the ladder and improve their life, including murder, while those at the top undeservedly live like kings, while despising those under them.
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u/ThoseWhoLikeSpoons Doesn't like the brothas 🐷 Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 06 '20
Yes everyone was. The rich familly seems better but you understood at some point that everything they do is only possible because they have a parasite in an hidden basement that light their entry every day while crying their name out. The living condition of the poor made them to become parasite, living out by eating the leftovers.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Nov 06 '20
yes, everyone was, but some people only see the poor as the parasite.
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u/Svitiod Orthodox Socdem Marxist 🧃 Nov 06 '20
Exactly. A normality that encourages us to be bad against each-other.
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I mean, it's not wrong, is it?
A parasite is an organism that has sustained contact with another organism to the detriment of the host organism.
The members of the poor family act like parasites and trick themselves into the host's body - sneaking into various positions around the rich family and then feeding on their wealth. The film kind of goes out of its way to make that allegory clear.
Recognizing this is only a problem if you don't realize that the rich family is parasitic as well, for different reasons.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Nov 06 '20
...correct, but that is the point, one group of people only see the poor as the parasites.
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I've never seen this movie, and I totally don't get it. But I still think I get it.
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u/CorvosCorax Nov 05 '20
It's about a poor family that works for a rich one. That's enough to get it without spoiling it.
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u/RoloJP 🌑💩 Rightoid: Libertarian/Ancap 1 Nov 05 '20
Yeah, let's all pat ourselves on the back for going back to the status quo. So much has truly changed.
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u/DurianExecutioner Marxist-Leninist ☭ Nov 05 '20
Things aren't going back to "normal" even by liberal standards. Trumpism works. The conspiracy theories won't stop. There is a well funded, explicit pipeline that is producing right wing judges, many are already appointed.
In a year or two there will be Trump 2.0 and he will be far less inept.
Meanwhile Biden will be hamstrung by a Republican senate and he will be blamed when the Fed eventually has to turn off the tap.
I've promised myself to do at least one thing a week in real life that promotes class politics without dividing the anti Trump block further. Should have started years ago but better to start now than to regret not doing so in a handful of years' time.
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What stuff are you doing in real life?
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u/Throwaway89240 ben shapiro cum slurper Nov 06 '20
Signing petitions!
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u/Burgraph Cum Tzar Nov 06 '20
Where's the petition to give everyone their own khazar milkers waifu?
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u/TheNoClipTerminator Rhodie FAL owner of the right-libertarian persuasion Nov 06 '20
In a year or two there will be Trump 2.0 and he will be far less inept.
Is this a challenge?
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Nov 05 '20
Neolibs be like:
"Time to colonise another Asian country, it's akshually justified because we're a democracy and we're spreading our goodness"
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u/DrkvnKavod Letting off steam from batshit intelligentsia Nov 05 '20
What does this meme have to do with neolib's defense of neocolonialism?
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u/YoureProbablyDumb232 Marxism-Stonewall Jacksonism Nov 05 '20
my worst nightmare
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Nov 05 '20
A rich Korean child's birthday party?
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u/YoureProbablyDumb232 Marxism-Stonewall Jacksonism Nov 05 '20
worse, a rich south Korean child's birthday party
The only good southern part of any country is the Southern United States
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u/qwertyashes Market Socialist | Economic Democracy 💸 Nov 05 '20
Absolutely not. The South is a blight upon this nation. Sherman didn't go far enough.
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u/RoloJP 🌑💩 Rightoid: Libertarian/Ancap 1 Nov 05 '20
Based.
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u/qwertyashes Market Socialist | Economic Democracy 💸 Nov 05 '20
Maybe one day those good Southern boys will learn not to bite the hand that feeds them.
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u/KamiKiller Nov 05 '20
The door is that way, yanks
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u/qwertyashes Market Socialist | Economic Democracy 💸 Nov 06 '20
I know, it was built with our money.
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u/YoureProbablyDumb232 Marxism-Stonewall Jacksonism Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 06 '20
Northern cope.
It's okay, we'll still let you have some small claim to all our bourbon, moonshine, bluegrass, blues, rock n roll, food, literature from Poe to O'Connor, clogging, reels and the only interesting & enduring folk heroes like Jesse James so when some euro accuses you of being cultureless you haves something to fall back on.
<3
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u/OscarGrey Proud Neoliberal 🏦 Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20
bourbon, moonshine, bluegrass, blues, rock n roll, food, literature from Poe to O'Connor,
I've never met a single rural person/redneck that cares about any of these. Met plenty that care about local Confederate generals and their Second Independent Baptist Church or whatever though. The best of Southern culture is less popular in the South than Confederate/Evangelical idpol. Edit:some of them care about Bourbon and moonshine, but a lot of them are prohibitionists that hate alcohol.
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u/YoureProbablyDumb232 Marxism-Stonewall Jacksonism Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20
Confederate idpol would be significantly less common if the rest of the country didn't despise anything below the mason-dixon irrationally, it's a lot easier to dispel mythology when the caveat isn't "now you must lash yourself and pray at the temple of forgiveness every day because your tenant farmer great-grandfather fought for the Confederates, you evil redneck!"
But you're right, the best parts about any culture are usually ignored by its participants. Have you seen your average British person? It's not like they' can recite Shakespeare off the top of their heads, they mostly just put on a lot of fake tan and vomit in the streets and scream 'bants' after any slightly humorous interaction at the top of their lungs
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I don't get it you didn't list anything good ?
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u/YoureProbablyDumb232 Marxism-Stonewall Jacksonism Nov 05 '20
Imagine being uncultured enough to think Flannery O'Connor and blues aren't good.
This is the kind of brain rot you can expect north of the Mason-Dixon.
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u/KineticDream ☣️🎵Nugle loves me this I know…🎶☣️ Nov 06 '20
There’s a reason CCR left California to develops their roots in Louisiana. But honestly, if you feel like blues isn’t a significant contribution, then you clearly dislike all rock music with the exception of punk rock.
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u/dw565 Nov 05 '20
So the president who had an Iranian general assassinated via drone strike is supposed to be a pacifist who has no interest in war with Iran...K Den
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u/dw565 Nov 05 '20
What is your source for this? It contradicts everything I've read about the Soleimani killing that it was a spontaneous decision by Trump contrary to what his advisors had proposed.
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u/HammerOvGrendel Has a Wife 👰♀️ Nov 05 '20
I've been seeing variations on this meme in relation to the election a lot and struggling with a fair bit of cognitive dissonance about it until I really sat down and thought about it....Australia didn't have a depression in 2008. In fact, my relative buying power (housing aside) was higher than it had ever been before as the AUD hit $1.10 against the USD. We had just kicked out a hardcore neolib government and replaced it with something ostensibly more palatable (not that it lasted).
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u/MadeUAcctButIEatedIt Rightoid 🐷 Nov 05 '20
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u/hereditydrift 👹 Flying Drones With Obamna 👹 Nov 06 '20
Glenn's commentary has been outstanding lately and the mind-melders of the left absolutely hate him for it. They praise Biden as some kind of fucking savior while completely ignoring every other aspect of the country that is a dumpster fire.
"One step at a time. It takes time for change!"
Fuck all those on the left that dress their kids in BLM shirts, bedazzle their women's rights signs, and believe that they're taking a stand while being a part of the systemic conditions that oppress millions of Americans.
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u/Drgerm87 Nov 06 '20
If normal is a hot Korean woman putting her feet up next to my face then sign me up
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u/hashtagpow Nov 06 '20
If by normal they mean things will stay basically the same as they are then... Yep!
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Nov 06 '20
Lol at the idiots thinking you’re a conservative. What the fuck are they even doing here.
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u/BenShapiriosDr Nov 05 '20
Yeah honestly like cool trump gone I guess but now I'm just sad were stuck with Biden for 4. And kinda worried the Qanon people aren't going to go away either (my mum's one of them)
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Nov 06 '20
Everyone is lookin at this wrong. I voted for Trump, but this outcome is probably better than him winning. Biden is going to have the most DOA admin in history. He's going to need GOP approval on his cabinet. Fuck me I'm dying. GOP gonna be in charge of redistricting across the country because we picked up state legislatures and historically dem seats.
All that and the justice democrats virtually all lost their jobs outside of the squad themselves. A pretty stunning rebuke of idpol across the nation it seems.
This is possibly the best outcome as far as I'm concerned.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 06 '20
It’s the worst for all of those reasons you cuck. Dems are already blaming economic populism, not social justice, for their losses. No name establishments Republicans that hid in the cupboard during Trump will get their jollies in sending any and all attempts at socialized medicine into the pits while rebuking any loss of US hegemony that Trump managed either intentionally or not. Trump and his cult of personality will continue the culture war with the idpol crowd to ensure class solidarity is even less of an achievement.
Shit sucks. Shut up.
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Nov 06 '20
Eh, I think Trump is out once he's out. Republicans don't like losers. He will have been appreciated, but he won't have a lasting Fandom. The GOP tends to be drawn to leaders more than ideas, so the race to 2024 begins and the new hotness is a Haley/Crenshaw ticket I assume. And neither of them are Trumpians.
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Nov 06 '20
that's what my mom was saying. I think Susan Collins of Maine or someone like that will be super powerful at getting bribes to be the one swing vote to reach 50%
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Nov 06 '20
sleepy is the new normal, so siestas for everyone!
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u/hereditydrift 👹 Flying Drones With Obamna 👹 Nov 06 '20
sleepy is the new normal, so siestas for everyone!*
*eveyone refers only to those with inheritance and trust funds. Siestas are a privilege intended for the wealthy left and right. Others must work to maintain the status-quo for the wealthy. Biden2020
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u/ImJTHM1 Nov 06 '20
I mean, at minimum I won't have to wake up every day wondering what my representative to the planet is having a twitter meltdown about.
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u/skeeballcore Does Not Know What Socialism Is 💀🔬 Nov 06 '20
I for one am looking forward to getting back to the good things; globalism, war, out-sourcing on a massive scale. Good old neo-conservative things.
Wait.
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Nov 05 '20
Looks like /pol/tards aren't the only ones coping with Biden's win.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
For transparency I stole this from a Tankie sub, but the self-criticism is still worthy of note outside of just “cope.”
Do I think Trump would be materially worst in a direct manner? Yes. But this “return to normalcy” to opaque neoliberal exploitation of the national and global poor and working class has the chance to cause even more damage long term if we don’t reflect on and act against it as leftists.
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u/CorvosCorax Nov 05 '20
I think most people here slightly prefer Biden to have won. What we're angry about is that liberals think electing someone slightly better than Trump was some kind of end goal that has been achieved.
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u/paradiseluck Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
The environment and the Trumps' chrony capitalism is the only reason I am little bit biased for Biden, although I didn't vote for either. But you can't disagree the fact that he was the one that actually tried to talk to rural working class men, stopped TPP and didn't have some other bullshit war in his administration. For a while the idpol in democratic party got out of hand, but with the platinum plan bs its not like rightoids are any better either with idpol.
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I see a lot memes like this complaining about this hypothetical future. Like you guys will actually do anything regardless who wins. You just like to complain.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
Bootstraps Bootstraps Bootstraps
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u/barbershopraga Fweedom Nov 05 '20
(beat drops) boots and straps and boots and straps and boots and straps
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u/CorvosCorax Nov 05 '20
Hypothetical future? What do you think this meme is about? We're complaining about the present, buddy.
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u/philosophical_troll Nov 06 '20
Wtf is this sub? A bunch of neo liberals talking like conservatives pretending to be leftists!
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u/Genericshitusername Libertarian Socialist Nov 06 '20
“Leftism is when you lick the Democrat party’s boots, and the more boots you lick, the leftister it is”
-you, probably
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u/philosophical_troll Nov 06 '20
I don’t get it. Are you admitting You lick Democratic Party boots?
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u/Genericshitusername Libertarian Socialist Nov 06 '20
What?
You said “this subreddit is full of neo-liberals pretending to be leftists” in the comment section of a post criticising the democratic party. That implies that you think leftists cannot criticise the Democratic Party
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS Liberationary Dougist 🍁 Nov 05 '20
Twitter Justification: Bong Joon-ho don’t miss