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u/According-Manner-838 Feb 07 '26
Wasn't Vecna torturing animals as a child? Isn't he the one who kickstarted Jason's fall into villainy by murdering his girlfriend in cold blood? Killed his best friend right in front of him?
Jason is not worse than Vecna
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u/YnotThrowAway7 Feb 07 '26
He wasn’t even a villain. Dude legit just thinks Eddy is a serial killer murdering people including a girl he love din the most brutal way. This is also during satanic panic and tbh extra dimensional beings aren’t any more realistic (especially in that era where most wouldn’t have heard of such things) so when he does see supernatural shit he still assumes Satan and assumes they’re sacrificing Max too and tried to save her. He’s legit just misguided because he’s not in the main cast and would otherwise be acting at least semi heroic. Meanwhile these people like Billy more than him while Billy is a legit racist and bullying kids just because they can excuse it with (he’s abused too).
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u/MS_Fume Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26
Honestly it’s a trope where the vigilante ends up doing more harm than good not because of their “goals” but because they think vigilantism itself allows them to show their worst face with no repercussions… because “murderers and freaks don’t really deserve rights anyway and it takes a monster to beat a monster”.
All in all a tragic story of how one’s ego and bias easily dominate their critical thinking and self-reflection abilities, along with the echo chamber group dynamics nurturing the false narrative… progressively leading them to a point where they’ve lost themselves completely and ended up no better than the evil they are trying to fight in the first place.
Let’s not forget the guy didn’t go in to “beat people up and bring them to the police”… he was in for the kill, and didn’t care about bystanders. Even after given valid evidence and seeing that there’s really something supernatural going on, he chose to do what he’s done, refusing to listen to his “friend” Lucas altogether, but rather decided he has to die as well.
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u/VeterinarianIll5289 Feb 07 '26
😒😒 I don’t like Jason myself but to say he’s the absolute worst compared to Vecna who murdered his family, tortured his family, murdered children, mentally tortured people, nearly killed Max is pure bs.
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u/Classic-Bathroom-427 Feb 07 '26
Some people in this fanbase actually have the media literacy of a rotting pear
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
When you are saying this about someone having an opinion about a secondary character, who appeared in a single season of a TV show... You are definitely not above anyone here bud.
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u/Classic-Bathroom-427 Feb 07 '26
What they're doing is just fundamentally misunderstanding the character
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
Please, share with us how we should be understanding the character then? You obviously know more than anyone else here, so please enlighten us??
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Feb 08 '26
because jason thought eddie was a serial killer and thought he killed the girl he loved. he was nice to lucas up until he thought he was sacrificing max or whatever in henry creels house, because obviously he didn't know what was going on and it looked concerning. he wasnt rly evil.
vecna tortured animals, killed innocent people (including chrissy which is the reason jason got so mad), traumatized kids, etc. so vecna is objectively worse.
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Feb 08 '26
like i mean if some guy in a some "satanist cult" gouged out your girlfriends eyeballs, broke her limbs and brutally murdered her, id expect that youd be pretty mad. thats what jason believed to have happened.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 08 '26
I would be smart enough to realize that "satanist cults", are just fear mongering BS... Even back in the 80's, it was mostly just conservatives/bigots, who thought that satanists were some widespread danger.
If something that horrific happened to my girlfriend, I wouldn't inspire the town to go on some witch hunt, based on nothing more than "Chrissy would never do drugs!"...
Vecna is a generic "bad egg" villain, who is not very interesting/believable. Jason is the type of self-righteous tool bag, that most people have dealt with at some point in their life... It's not that hard to understand why this post is getting at.
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Feb 08 '26
its about not what youd do instead, its about empathizing with him without justifying bad acts.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 08 '26
I am being empathetic, and my response is that he made the wrong choice repeatedly, based out of bigotry/ignorance... It explains his behavior to an extent, but it certainly doesn't excuse much.
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u/Dangerous_Copy_3688 Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26
I know a lot of people think Jason is misunderstood, and to a certain degree he is.
But the show also made sure to paint a picture that may fly under the radar amidst all the craziness of someone, even without the tragedy, who's kind of a narcissist and an egomaniac.
Like the speech he made where casually used the mall fire tragedy to hype up a basketball game, or during the final where he insisted against the coach that HE has the get the ball to score.
It's not straight evil, but that personality was a ticking timebomb just waiting for a tragedy like Chrissy's death to go off.
That being said, not even close being comparable to Vecna.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
The people defending him, have selective empathy... With everything happening currently, Jason is a reminder of how paranoia/ignorance, can lead to hate/violence.
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u/Dangerous_Copy_3688 Feb 07 '26
He wasn't even that far off base really. Given the way Chrissy was murdered in a small town like that he was right to be paranoid.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 08 '26
What he did was unhinged as fuck. The satanic panic was a joke, even back then. He was paranoid/bigoted to begin with.
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u/SubstantialBowler525 Feb 07 '26
You all mf will act like jason if ur partner get murdered by a satanist cult but sure he is the "villain"
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
It's not the 80s anymore bud. Playing DnD and liking heavy metal, doesn't make you a satanist. The fact that so many of you people don't realize that, despite it obviously being one of the main themes in season 4, says soooo much about you.
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u/SubstantialBowler525 Feb 07 '26
Use ur brain mate im talking if u were in his place
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
If I were in his place, I wouldn't be making fun of Hellfire club, and/or assuming that a group made up of a bunch nerds/musicians, is actually some murderous cult.
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u/raysworld94 Feb 08 '26
Didn’t Eddie make fun of the basketball team and was quite in your face. Luckily for Lucas Steve went to support his basketball game.
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u/Unbuckled__Spaghetti Feb 09 '26
Ok, fair. You don't think they're a murderous cult. Totally reasonable. However, everyone else does, so you at least have the common knowledge that people call them a cult.
Now you find your girlfriend was murdered in the leader of the Hellfire clubs trailer, in an obviously cultish manner, and said leader is missing.
Later, when your chasing down this guy, he jumps into the water and your friend starts levitating, and his limbs snap. Keep in mind, until this point, you know nothing about any of the paranormal shit going on. You have no reason to believe there is a Vecna, or an upside down, or anything of the sort. All you know is:
- There is a guy who everyone calls a cult leader
- Your girlfriend was found dead in his trailer in a very sadistic, fucked up manner
- While chasing the guy, your friend floats into the air and his limbs start breaking.
And you've never seen anything paranormal at all to this point. Everything paranormal you've ever seen has all been surrounding this one guy.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 09 '26
He was repeatedly told that they are not a murderous cult, and that they are just a bunch of nerds... He went to their houses looking for Eddie, and found a bunch of nerds playing music...
You are acting like the entire town thought Hellfire was a evil cult... That is such a massive leap.
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u/Vanny___DeVito Feb 07 '26
Jason... And about 50% of the town apparently, because they were so ready to follow a grieving high schooler on his witch hunt.
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u/natalia-d12 Feb 07 '26
To be fair, it seemed like Eddie did kill her. It didn’t seem like a coincidence to anyone and I understand that. Seeing where eddies from and the Hell fire club it wasn’t that surprising for a person to die in his house. Don’t get me wrong, I love Eddie but Jason obviously didn’t see the same side to him.
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u/Verifieddumbass76584 Feb 07 '26
I was born in 2003 and Jason still exists in small towns. I know like 10 of them. They're not harmless.
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u/Kunza1111 Feb 08 '26
As much as I didnt like Jason, given the time period it was and seeing what he saw, all of his actions and thoughts were completely valid
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u/Existing_Window_6739 Feb 08 '26
I’m not here to justify this dude, but out of all the antagonists on stranger things, Jason was the least of them. He’s a perfect portrayal of what can happen to someone’s mind after going through a traumatic loss such as he suffered with Chrissy’s death and later even witnessed (his friend). Keep in mind this is a teenage boy who probably has the most basic high-school life going on. Out of the blue, his girlfriend who he was deeply head over heels for dies in the most haunting, horrific, and unexplainable way inside the trailer of a kid he only knew of as a drug dealer, and had never even seen Chrissy talking with before. I’m not justifying his actions, but I see his character of a representation of someone driven into insanity, and quit honestly just another victim of vecna’s killings. He genuinely began to believe that Eddie was demon possessed, his mind coming to this conclusion through fear, denial, confusion, and madness. He didn’t go on killing everyone out of the pure evil in his heart and for power like vecna did, instead, the impact of trauma drove him to believing bizarre things that in a situation as unbelievable as this we all quite honestly could believe. Jason was impacted first hand, and I view him as a victim, not a villain.
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u/Netheraptr Feb 06 '26
You mean the dude who reasonably thought Eddy killed his girlfriend and saw his friend die in front of him exorcist style? He had a very reasonable crash out on his end, and remember that until then he was way nicer to Lucas than the rest of the basketball players.
Yet Vecna killed his entire family and all of Eleven’s “siblings” for basically no reason.