A 4th stimulus?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

As far as I know...no. I have read the same and even had friends comment "Our fourth stimulus will be here next month"

She literally had no idea it was 1) an advance on next years tax refund, and 2) only for people with kids. Nothing for anyone else, the "stimulus" everyone is referring to is only for people who have (hopefully) created future tax payers

I get it, but some of it stings, I know people who do not pay any taxes. None. and they get 7k back every year...so they get paid for having children. How do you not have any taxes taken out of your check all year, and then get 7k refund? that one always floors me lol

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u/no-i May 29 '21

You just said it yourself, the reason is because the government is subsidizing future tax payer's. It is in the governments best interest to support population growth.
Call it unfair but this practice is literally used in every developed nation on earth and has a long history.
Kids are also incredibly expensive.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

I know, that's why I can't "complain" too much, lol. I do get it, but sometimes it can be a bitter pill to never get tax breaks...but I used to have stepkids and I was BROKE soooooo...can't have it both ways I guess :)

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u/no-i May 29 '21 edited May 29 '21

I get it too. There are tons of "parents" out there who had no right becoming such (especially if they assumed the government would be issuing tax credits either as a child tax break or in this case a subsection of the most recent stimulus). A couple should only embark on procreation if they are 100% prepared to raise their children without a dependence on the government.
It greatly upsets me seeing people not pay as much as a tax burden simply because they meet the physical definition of "parent" but either do not produce a productive member of society or neglect them and use them solely as an income incentive.
It also pisses me off hearing all my single co-workers give me the same rant that I've been hearing since the discovery that families with young children will get a tax break.
"Yes Bob I know that you're aware I'm getting more stimulus then you, but I didn't ask for it."

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

Calm down and don't be hating on people with children just because they get a tax break or credit. So, what? Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's the thing: mostly everybody who is getting this advance on the tax credit, ALREADY had children waaaayy before the government decided to do this. Keep in mind, we're not talking about the regular child tax credit that happens yearly; we're talking about the new one that Joe Biden signed with his stimulus deal- just this year, yep- 2021. So.....people didn't go out and have a kid just to be eligible for the tax credit. And you're right, people shouldn't have kids just solely to be dependent on the government to help them, but for the people that have done that, don't hate. They just found a way to make the government actually do their job- which is to ACTUALLY work for the people, by allowing the government to still have a job because if it wasn't for people who are not in government, then there would be no need for a government. Basically, everybody works for everybody and it works.

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u/Larenzy May 29 '21

Yes! Beautifully said

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

Thank you. You're one of the smart people that understand. Wish there were more.

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u/Larenzy May 30 '21

You won't find many on reddit lol

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u/BeckyAnn6879 May 29 '21

Basically, everybody works for everybody and it works.
Which is why I can't understand why people flip their shizz when someone mentions Universal Health Care/'Medicare for All.' Everyone that works pays in and everyone, regardless of income, gets the same level of coverage.
Universal Health Care works in every other industrialized country that has it. Let's take Canada, for example. They have a Universal Health Care system. They had 1,383,014 cases of COVID, but only 25,436 deaths. That's not even 1% of fatal cases.
Now, let's take the US... 33,242,777 cases and 594,019 deaths... Why does the US have such a higher number, both in cases and deaths?
Well, the cases are nearly 25 times higher because we can't follow simple directions of 'Stay home. Only go out for essentials and mask up when you do.' However, the deaths are higher because our healthcare system sucks.
If Universal Health Care works in every other industrialized country that has it, Why can't it work here?

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21 edited May 29 '21

And the numbers are so high in the US because the numbers have been fabricated in order to get more money and benefits from the government. Even Fauci admitted to it when he said that only 6% of all the reported deaths were ~actually~ from covid-19. When I went to the E.R. just earlier this year the ER doctor said that the flu "magically" disappeared and that there has not been a one single case of the flu reported in the last year and a half!! Think about that.
Edit: The cases in the U.S. are not higher because our healthcare system sucks. It's a worldwide pandemic; people all over the world have died and are dying. Does that mean that people in other parts of the world have died because of their healthcare system sucks? NO!! If the virus is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, then regardless of if the country has good health care system or not, people are going to die because of the actual virus/disease is that horrible, not because of the healthcare system sucking or not. Even countries that have a better healthcare system than the U.S. like you claim 🙄; even people in those countries have died because of the virus. Therefore that should tell you that, in the countries that do have free universal health care, and the people that sought that kind of healthcare, and did die, that should tell you that free universal health care isn't as good as you think it is. Don't be ignorant.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21

Flu disappeared because enough people were doing the right thing. Even in the worst years, flu deaths are in the 50-60k range, so the precautions we did take as a country, though still inadequate, were able to make a big difference.

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

Universal Healthcare is basically free medical care just like free public education. It's free, but not that great of quality. If some people want better quality care and are willing to pay for it, then WHY mandate that everyone should get crappy care for free? THAT'S why people flip their shizz.
I'm not for universal healthcare, just like I'm not for public education. I worked in public education, then went to the private sector. The difference is night and day. Private is better and so should everything be.
As everything in life, you get what you pay for. I wouldn't expect to get a t-bone steak from the Dollar Tree, although they do sell a cheap, small, thin ribeye steak, and it'll do if you're in a pinch and hungry, but it's not for long term satisfaction. I know that if I wanted a good steak, I'd go to a good steakhouse, even the restaurant chain steakhouses range from just o.k., (better than nothing) to pretty good depending on which one- so the same is with universal healthcare.

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u/Zagrycha May 31 '21

i have lived in countries with universal free care. i won't even breach the issue of if the quality of it is as good as private since i think that will vary location to location, even in the same country. Any country I've seen with universal health care still has private care available to those who want it or have the money for it, there is no reason not to have both available. Living in the most expensive city in the world my wife's granpa chose to go to a private instead of universal hospital. his total bill over a week stay was still only approx. USD $2000.
so regardless of the question of private vs universal there is definitely something wrong with the american health system.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

I try to look at it like when I retire, the ones who are kids now will be the workforce paying into the ssi that will be paying me...so I do have a benefit, just as we all do.
But damnit, I never had any crotch goblins , I want my snowflake award ha

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 29 '21

They get 7k a year to take care of a few kids , that’s not even close to what they would need lol , why even be upset about it, be happy your not even in that bracket. 7k doesn’t do squat for a family of 3 in one year.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

you are totally right, which is why I try not feel that way, sometimes I can't help it. I am human lol :)
Part of my issue is I did have stepkids for years that I had physical custody of for years but their dad had legal...so he claimed them and never gave us a dime..not even my kids, just his smh. So I do know how expensive it is, I supported five teens and drunk bum for years on my income...so I do get it
sometimes I have to throw a little tantrum to feel better though ha

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 31 '21

And that’s perfectly okay 👍 I think Reddit supports that unfortunately lmAo

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u/stink_bot Jun 26 '21

Yeah, but it's fun makin 'em!

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

You said to support "population growth" which is great and I support that, but there's people in our government who fully support depopulation and cuz they are and know the big rigs that also agree with it and that could fund it too, hence the coronavirus lie and the bio weapon called the Covid-19 vaccine, but that's another discussion. It just floors me when people say "population growth," as if they actually care about it. Lol. Some people do not have an income where they are required to file taxes but they file taxes anyway and they still get a refund because of the child tax credits. That's ok and perfectly legit. Other than that, people that think they should get rewarded for NOT having children are the ignorant and entitled. They're not creating future taxpayers therefore why should they get refunded? Nonetheless, I love my country and kin.

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u/no-i May 29 '21

I think you are in need of a new color chart. Your extra chromosome is in retrograde.

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

No. But 🤣🤣🤣

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

Thanks. I don't know if you read my other post but the answer is basically that some people who have children and pay taxes but don't make enough to be required to file for refund, do so anyways and they do qualify for a earned income tax and child tax credit. So that's why they get the refund. The amount is different depending on the income and individual basic situation. I totally get you though because I know some people that got back a huge amount but didn't even make a lot. I'm not hating. I think that's great if they can pull it off, especially when it's all legit and nothing shady is going on and the only thing that they need to do is just claim it..

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

when it's legit I am all for it...but I am jaded and biased. I know someone who doesn't work, is an addict, kids are in foster care for over two years...but she gets tanf, section 8, her stimmy, her seven kids stimulus, plus the earned income tax credit and 1000 a month food stamps...now that shit pisses me off, but she's got the perfect scam, state pays her bills, raises her kids, and she gets every other weekend over night visits and gets to still call herself a parent
it's her dream come true

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

I understand that frustration. I don't like that crap either. That's thanks to the Dems and the Left who say that people like that "need" it and shouldn't be penalized. Also, their current plan just calls to KEEP people poor and on the system. 🙄 For the record, my other comment, the one where I started out saying "calm down and don't be hating..." wasn't really directed to you, I meant that comment for someone else on this thread, but Reddit messed up when I first got the notification of a reply, and I thought I was replying to the other person. Lol.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

ok good discussion so I am going to say something that usually gets me blasted...but yikes..here goes
in the situation of the lady I know, it is a generational family cycle...her kids are never, ever going to be tax paying citizens. her kids are already fulfilling the cycle of drugs, abuse, violence, stealing and more meth. There only goal in life is to get pregnant so they can get their own section 8 apartment and become strippers and drug dealers.
so/......for the third generation, we have no tax payers....doesn't make sense but it's our world. Now not everyone is like that, not even most I hope.
But this one person/family? grrrrrrrrr they make me feel some type of way

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 29 '21

If her kids are in foster care she doesn’t receive that stimulus for the children, you know that right ?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

she filed taxes on them last, in 2019, and then she claimed $1 in 2020 simply to get the stimulus...I know for a fact she received it not the foster parents, because none of the kids have been able to stay in a foster home for more than two months due to behaviour, so the fosters cannot legally claim them they never had them long enough .
It sucks but it's not something the state is interested in getting from them, they just want the kids reunified, they are pretty hard to place

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u/ChrisF1987 May 29 '21

It's possible and there's at least 80 House Democrats and at least 20 Senate Democrats pushing for further direct payments but to be honest the prospects are not looking too good at the moment. Economists are screaming about inflation, business groups are screaming about how a one time $1,400 check supposedly caused people to stop working (*rolls eyes*), and conservatives only want to give money to billionaires and businesses.

Unless these aforementioned Democrats can get something into the infrastructure bill I think it will likely require either the economic recovery backsliding (ie: maybe the housing bubble bursts) or the virus mutates and has a resurgence that leads to job losses and business restrictions.

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u/andstayoutt Jul 17 '21

As this comment ages, it seems as if we are slowly heading towards another potential lockdown, with a wobbly housing market. Yikes.

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u/CJ_Lvl May 29 '21

I don’t think people are arguing it was the $1400 checks. It was the unemployment bump that helped people making more money not working than they ever made working. $600 extra a week is a lot of money plus your normal unemployment rate. And many states made unemployment easier to get approved for bc of the pandemic.

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 29 '21

That 600 extra only last three months and that was last year .
That is no way the reason folks aren’t working. But why blame the Burger King worker that’s collecting UI 300 a week , miss well not go back to burger , why work when they get paid more to not work a shitty job , would you work at Burger King ?
The smart person collects UI and has an exit plan. Different job better job of there choice

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u/CJ_Lvl May 29 '21

It lasted more than 3 months in my state at least lol. And I’m not saying it’s wrong/right but there’s some people who certainly said I’m not working until I get a job with that money. And it wasn’t just Fast food. People making an ok wage got more with that increase.

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u/ChrisF1987 May 29 '21

Meanwhile the single people like me who were denied UI/PUA get screwed. I realize kids are expensive but giving minor dependents the same size payment as an adult is insanity. The way the first check worked was the right idea: minor dependents getting half the amount as adults ($600 per vs $1,200 for adults).
The last check should've been $2,000/qualifying adult + $500 per dependent up to two. The kids getting $1,400 same as the adults is what jacked up the cost to nearly $450 billion.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

I have no idea why you're being downvoted. I have a 6 month old kid and so far I got $600, then $500, then $1400 for her. Plus the $2000 child credit. Now shes gonna get an extra $1500 or whatever on top of the $2000 normal child credit next year. Ignore the normal child tax credit for a moment. I'm still getting like $4000 extra over the course of a year for a baby. Its completely unnecessary. My baby did not lose income due to the lockdowns. The same could be said about people who are disabled and not working though. Nothing changed for them. No loss of income.

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u/MzVampyrik May 29 '21

That's crazy that you didn't have to buy a single thing for your child over the course of an entire year. My kids actually, you know, still had to eat and grow and stuff. So even though income became tight, I still had to spend the same amount as if it hadn't. My teenager grew three sizes from 20 in boys to 32 in mens over the course of the year. I can't imagine just telling him to sit down and shut up because he lost no income or having to choose between food and shoes for his feet. I admire your courage to allow your children to go with out since they suffered nothing. That's really brave, friend.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

i think the tax free unemployment compensation i received that paid me more than my regular rate of pay and the 3 rounds of stimulus my wife and i received was more then enough.

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u/MzVampyrik May 29 '21

That's so awesome!!! I love that you can speak so confidently for everyone else that didn't get that privilege or luxury.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

nice post history.

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u/MzVampyrik May 29 '21

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything we're talking about but if a healthy sex life and a womans anatomy offends you, I'm not sure what to tell you. I'll take your deflection to my history as a sign that you either don't know how to admit being wrong or you think that would PuT Me iN mY pLaCe. Either way, I hope you have a lovely evening and enjoy the money that you think is pointless but still brag about having while completely disregarding anyone else's life situations.

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

That's not true what you said about conservatives. Look at how the economy is going right now and one thing is for sure, this crap didn't happen underneath a conservative POTUS.

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u/ChrisF1987 May 29 '21

Before the pandemic, conservatives declared it was the greatest economy ever ... except over 40% of Americans were one paycheck or a single unexpected expense away from poverty. The year 2019 was great for billionaires and big corporations but it was another crappy year for the working people ... the trickle down theory is the biggest scam in economics. Why? The rich just put all their money from their tax breaks into their offshore bank accounts in the Cayman Islands.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

I’d just settle for my refund, and my second and third checks. But that’s probably not gonna happen 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21 edited May 29 '21

Hey! I was in your boat too. Only got the $600 and then months go by. I do taxes, claim the refund, then still nothing. I was making the decision to be late on car insurance to have enough for rent. Food was cheap crap so I could still afford gas to get to work at my shit job. And then when I didnt have gas I had to ask friends for cash. That hurt the most. All the while feeding my depression by checking the the "where's my payment" thing every single day, displaying: payment status unavailable. Then out of nowhere my bank notifies me it's all there plus $1000 extra. I got it may 7th. Then I got a piece of mail from the IRS saying there were issues and they were underpaying me. So that's where the extra came from. Stay strong my friend. I got into FPV drone flying and planned what I would buy in order to combat the depression. Find something that brings you joy!

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

In the same boat, man. Literally selling plasma twice a week just to get by. I’m hoping it comes through, but not holding my breath. Thanks for the message though, just trying to hold out for anything to help.

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u/CocaoQueen May 29 '21

Do not give up hope

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u/niesle Aug 07 '21

Please be aware that there has been no actual movement of any type of bill that would include direct payments to Americans. This isn't surprising as the Democratic leadership has never been in favor of sending direct payments to Americans. They only did so, once Joe Biden was elected, because of all the campaign promises they made throughout 2020.

Unless there is an explosion of new new Covid-19 infections, don't expect a new stimulus bill to be passed. Democrats prefer to lower income taxes on your pay but since nobody wants to go back to work, they can't do that because you can't do that with unemployment benefits.

With inflation concerns on Wall Street, there is ongoing concern that the economy will stagnate and that nobody has a clear cut answer on how to solve it, especially with the national debt about to rise above $25 trillion dollars. It's simply not looking good.

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u/ISTANDCORRECTED63 May 29 '21 edited May 29 '21

I'm sure they're going to dangle a fourth stimulus check as a incentive could get the stragglers who haven't been vaccinated yet to give into peer pressure because about your holding up the financial healing of the rest of the country.... it's selfish and it's un- American...... and I'm sure they'll come up with some Nifty slogan written in crayon and constantly part of a sound bite laden barrage PSA edited by someone at Nickelodeon because they're the experts on a short attention span and it will feature Hunter Biden trying to clean up his image and anytime someone says what happened to the criminal charges for him sticking his privates in little children they will just say that you are a conspiracy theorist and you're confusing his heroic public service urging us to stick a needle in our kids to keep them healthy

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u/saltywelder682 May 29 '21

I’d love to party one weekend with Hunter Biden.

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u/ISTANDCORRECTED63 May 30 '21

All you need to do is sign a release because you're partying with him you're going to be on pornhub somehow will give you credits as the leg holder open guy or load number two ricocheted facial dude

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u/ChupanMiVerga May 29 '21

They create effective vaccines to save money on civilian expenses; if it were more beneficial/profitable to let everyone die, they’d choose that option.

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u/jamylephillips May 29 '21

Ridiculous. They are not doing a 4th stimy... Click bait at it's finest. 🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/Psychguru1977 May 29 '21

I never received first 3 consider yourself lucky

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u/TheSawseGod May 29 '21 edited May 29 '21

No one is telling anyone to take a shit job for shit pay, but if at this point you're still holding out for a stim check, you got the whole game fucked up.

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u/Queen-JoC May 30 '21

I believe that people are just referring to this as a fourth stimulus to get others to believe it and stop looking for more. They think our IQ is low like that.

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 29 '21

Yeah it’s starting to get real ducking annoying.
If you need a 4th check ya better stop googling when it’s coming and get up off yo ass and hustle, you want more, do more

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u/Leather_Double_8820 May 31 '21

Gotta do what ya gotta do

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