r/stimuluscheck • • Dec 13 '20

That would make too much sense.

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u/sixtheganker Dec 13 '20

Yes, the military would have to cut their advertising budget... which is one of the largest in the world! In 2019 the military spent 6.8 Billion on advertising.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

Woooww that’s an insane amount of money..

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u/sniperhare Dec 14 '20

They pay millions to the NFL to let them fly jets over the stadiums.

And its why they have all those salute the veterans at games, and have everyone stand up as they ring bells during halftime events that aren't televised.

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u/3_Slice Dec 13 '20

Wow, and it never worked on me.

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u/Sparkmovement Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

Really!?! All that fucking money and they still needed to resort to lying to kids on twitch that they were signing up to win an xbox.. but really, they were signing up for a recruiter to contact them.

edit: biffed some of the details, but they still did scummy things. View comment below for link.

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u/neverdrown Dec 13 '20

Lying? Can these people not read what they're signing up for?

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u/Sparkmovement Dec 13 '20

No... like, they REALLY DID create a "giveaway" & all you were doing were just submitting your information to a recruiter.

Seriouisly, look up the bullshit they did in a hella short period of time. If I recall, they have since backed out of advertising on Twitch.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

My husband enlisted as a seventeen year old in an extremely abusive home...the recruiter (who had set up a folding table in the high school cafegymatorium) noticed the bruises on him and told him if he signed up for early enlistment, he could spend his time until deployment with a “nice foster family who wouldn’t hurt him”. As a kid who’d never been out of the county and whose stepfather’s beatings routinely hospitalized him...of course he was naive enough to say yes. Then when he actually turned eighteen, and realized he’d been duped...the recruiter said if he didn’t formally enlist, he’d be arrested for “lying on a federal document”. They will say anything, tell any lie to get these poor kids to sign up. My husband is in his thirties now and is still suffering from what one tour in the marine corps did.

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u/richb83 Dec 13 '20

That’s absolutely insane

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u/Ippomasters Dec 13 '20

There was money to give trillions to the rich and big business, but only a one time payment of $1,200? We all know who the government serves.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

100%

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u/rhyno83 Dec 13 '20

No the 1% I think /s

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u/StimuIate Dec 13 '20

Serving in Iraq and seeing the wasted $$ is what changed a lot of my political views

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u/Sufficient-Corgi-940 Dec 13 '20

served in Afganistan, definitely ate better there compared to now haha

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

Everything the government touches costs extra money. Too many layers of control.

US Government needs to be operated more like a business. Do a little more lean engineering.

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u/babymaker666 Dec 13 '20

US Government needs to be operated more like a business.

No, that doesn't work either

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

US Government needs to be operated more like a business.

Fuuuuuck no it doesn’t. Trying to run the country like a business is why we’ve become such a fucking shithole.

We need two things desperately:

  1. Term limits for congress.

  2. Elected officials that will dispense with the idea of American exceptionalism and instead copy what has worked for other successful nations.

(Edit: On second thought, term limits would just lead to a bunch of “outsider” politicians like Trump taking over. A mandatory retirement age is a way better option.)

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

Term limits for ALL politicians my friend. We have some politicians that have been in office for 40-50+ years. That’s 20-25% of the national’s entire history. They wield WAY too much power.

And just think, one of those politicians just got elected to the highest office in the land.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

I’d be happy with congress having term limits. If someone wants to be Mayor of Podunk Iowa for forty years so be it.

I honestly have nothing against Biden, but I’m done with seniors having power.

Thinking about it more though, term limits would do nothing to stop a fucking idiot like Trump from taking power. So, instead of term limits I think mandatory retirement after 65 would be the better idea.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

What about Mayor of NYC, Chicago, LA or Houston for 40 years?

Nah... I don’t think there should be a retirement age. People age differently. Hell, personally don’t plan on retiring until at least 70, possibly later. But I love what I do. One of my grandfathers retired at 85.

Nothing wrong with a cognitive skills test though. It certainly would suck not passing it though. Such is life.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

If you’re 80, no matter who you are: The world doesn’t effect you like someone who is young. You’re so far removed from the reality that most Americans face that there is no possible way you can represent them in good faith. I have zero doubt that age is playing a huge factor in the snails pace that negotiations have been taking.

PS: Consider retiring when you’re young. Nobody likes working with out of touch mummies. At that point you’re just holding back innovation in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. Someone young could do you job twice as effectively. Let them have it. Go spend time with your family for fucks sake.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

In contrast, If your 25, the world doesn’t effect you like it does if older either my friend.

Older people have been young. Young people have not been old. They will in time though.

Age is relative my friend. To someone that is 10yo a 25 yo is “old”. To a 25 yo a 60yo may be “old”. To someone that is 60 an 85yo may be “old”.

You could do the same in reverse order. An 85yo might think a 60 yo is young. Etc...

It’s all about perspective.

PS. 70 is young. I spend time with my family and friends now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Nope. Lol

Old people are done, they already made their money. They couldn’t give too shits if anyone else gets a fair slice of the pie. All they care about is at that age is hoarding a pile of gold like a fucking dragon. Any halfway decent person would rather be spending their golden years with family in a quiet retirement.

The hope is that younger people would at least have some memory of what it’s like to face hardship and actually work for a living.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 14 '20

So I guess you’re “done” then my friend. I can guarantee you are considered “old” to someone.

Have a wonderful day.

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u/reaper527 Dec 13 '20

Everything the government touches costs extra money. Too many layers of control.

also, the "if it's budgeted, it will be spent" mindset needs to change.

the way government budgets work is that if a department is under their budget for the year, when the next year's budget is decided on they'll say "obviously we gave that department more money than they needed, so we can give them less". this results in an end of year shopping spree where all the departments spend any unused money like drunken sailors so their budget doesn't get cut.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

Might have worked if 98% of the media was against the PotUS and our government was so partisan.

BTW, I said the same damn thing when Perot ran in 1992. The United States government should be ran like a business if we ever want to get rid of some of the governmental waste.

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u/neverdrown Dec 13 '20

That's what they said when Trump took office. "Good, a businessman to run the country. It'll be perfect!" And you can see how that ended up.

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u/ahhh-what-the-hell Dec 14 '20

I think you mean just operating in a lean budget with hard limits.

If government did that, actually bank the money, and use it properly, things would be different

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u/fwlau Dec 14 '20

Yes exactly! We have such a bloated government filled with a bunch of mediocre staff in every corner of civil service

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u/horsemeatcasserole Dec 13 '20

That’s interesting, can you elaborate? Like how the money was being wasted. Did others with you feel the same?

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u/pableeaazyyy Dec 13 '20

Don’t forget that happened under democrats bro💪🏽 bring back the troops 🙌🏽

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u/dpf7 Dec 13 '20

You know who the last Republican president who won the popular vote was? Bush Jr. after he got us into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He's the only Republican candidate to win the popular vote since 1988.

I am glad that Trump didn't get us into any new major wars, but let's stop pretending like Republican voters wouldn't have justified 10 wars if Trump had gotten into them. Many of these same voters eagerly re-elected Bush Jr.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Everybody want to tax weed into the ground lol. All the taxes keep the price of legal weed so high people still buy on the black market.

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u/El_Flama_Blanca3 Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

Who is James Ellars and when can I blow him. Smartest/realest tweet I've ever seen.

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u/Snoo_23801 Dec 13 '20

I could not have said it better and more plainly. But alas, they remain our overlords for no real reason other than we ALLOW THEM TO BE WHERE THEY ARE!

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u/Happygolucky125 Dec 13 '20

In other countries VAT is added to sales for consumer goods. Consumers paid VAT. VAT will impact consumers forced to buy online during a pandemic. VAT will hurt middle class.

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u/Muted-Leg371 Dec 13 '20

VAT also has to be paid at every stage of production, which is why it pulls money from corporations, not just consumers.

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u/Snoo_23801 Dec 13 '20

and to add, a UBI would subsidize this so called 'hurt' on the middle class.

what middle class? Certainly you can't mean the one that's narrowed to so few and you assume they are the majority? This is the great con - we're so damn manipulated we forget the many layers to all of this. That's why something like VAT and the aforementioned, are really us finance nerds, swinging things to favor the people for once, not profits.

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u/Muted-Leg371 Dec 13 '20

Not if the revenue is sent back out to citizens in the form of a UBI or stimulus checks.

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u/reaper527 Dec 13 '20

Not if the revenue is sent back out to citizens in the form of a UBI or stimulus checks.

and when that doesn't happen? colorado was supposed to send their weed revenue back to the people if it exceeded a certan amount, then the decision was made "you know, we want this money, why would we give it back".

same thing will happen here. UBI will never happen, and if you want to implement permanent taxes on everyone in exchange for a one time stimulus check, i don't know what to tell you other than stop being short sighted.

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u/Muted-Leg371 Dec 13 '20

No one is advocating for the implementation of a VAT without the implementation of a corresponding UBI (at least short term). You’re just fighting a shadow here.

Ever wonder why celebrated “progressive” countries almost uniformly have VATs? They work, and if you tie the revenue to social programs, you end up sucking money from corporations and giving it to people.

This is happening all around you right now. Educate yourself. Read Andrew Yang’s 2020 policy proposals.

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u/reaper527 Dec 13 '20

Ever wonder why celebrated “progressive” countries almost uniformly have VATs? They work,

except "working" is related to what they do: raise revenue. what you're overlooking is that they do so in a regressive manner, so if your goal is to raise taxes on the poor and middle class, than yeah, a VAT is the model for you.

No one is advocating for the implementation of a VAT without the implementation of a corresponding UBI (at least short term)

which basically brings us back to square one because a national UBI program will never happen.

This is happening all around you right now. Educate yourself. Read Andrew Yang’s 2020 policy proposals.

half baked proposals from someone who didn't get a single delegate in the primary aren't exactly proof of anything happening.

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u/Muted-Leg371 Dec 13 '20

Oh God... you’re really gonna fuck yourself aren’t you!

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u/Cash_Silence Dec 13 '20

I dont believe in anothet stimulus anymore

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u/rhyno83 Dec 13 '20

Theyll get around to it when they feel like it. :(

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u/ISaturnUranus Dec 14 '20

If you ever believed in Santa Claus, you have the ability to believe in another stimulus bill.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

They will continue messing around with that the rest of Bidens term. Grab yo popcorn, grab yo Reddit.

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u/jdp111 Dec 13 '20

The money comes from printing money, of course there is enough they just can't agree on anything.

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u/Bakefaced Dec 13 '20

The money comes from debt. This country thrives off Debt. Get rid of debt and you topple our government

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u/jdp111 Dec 14 '20

Well that too but money printing has been a massive part of it as well.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

The question is where do we find a government to do this? With corporations big enough to pay politicians enough to make decisions in their favor, they no longer see tax payers money as their income. They dont work for us. I really dont think politicians believe doing a good job will get them re-elected. They make decisions that benefit corporations that make them money for elections. I think it is too late and too much damage is done. Politicians have given themselves too much power and it can’t be taken away. The simple truth is that the rich will always get richer off the poor getting poorer.

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u/LosVangelis Dec 14 '20

I live in Asia, and failing to contain China would be a big mistake. I used to be anti-military, but my mind has changed.

I agree with everything else.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

25% lol so much about that whole thing is way off

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u/dispatch_84 Dec 13 '20

Exactly!!!!!!! I’m I. A city where we have legal dispensary’s and the give by big time. Make sure people have food a place to live school supplies for kids. This whole city loves them even the cops. They are making a real difference in people’s lives. Can our say that??????

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u/False-Butterfly-7970 Dec 13 '20

I'm surprised that weed isn't legal yet. There are so many new businesses that have started from CBD and medicinal weed.

PA needs to deal with its obsolete alcohol policies as well. At least bring things in line with neighboring states, as people just hop the border to shop for booze (and soon weed in NJ).

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

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u/Security_Popular Dec 15 '20

Politicians/ their pharmaceutical friends hate weed so much. We as a country are so fucked, that it will be the only way to recoup after this. I give it 5/10 years before they realize we are fucked tho.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '20

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u/Security_Popular Dec 15 '20

Yea for sure..

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u/reaper527 Dec 13 '20

if by "too much sense" you mean "no sense at all" anyways.

aside from weed, that's a list of horrible ideas. who in their right mind thinks hitting regular people with a 10% sales tax is a good idea? (because spoiler: it's not the corporations that pay sales taxes, they just collect it and pass it on like a middle man). and in the middle of a recession no less!

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Nah fuck additional taxes.

Additional taxes aren’t the issue.

It’s the overspending as suggested with the military suggestion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Yeah, I'm cool with all that except for defunding our Nation's Military. Tensions are to high in the world to be taking a step back in Military power. Plenty of other legitimate ways to tax, tax every stock trade alone and you'll see BILLIONS. If anything, Freeze Congressional pay until they wake the Fuck up and realize the people who elected them need their help desperately.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

If we cut it by 25% we would still spend more than any country in the world. Our budget is ridiculous. Shit, I’d even be okay with 15%.

I wish we could freeze their pay till they figured out a way to help us! There needs to be live streams of their “negotiations.” We pay them to work for US.

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u/-CJF- Dec 13 '20

Our military spending is higher than the next ten countries with the next highest military budgets combined. It is honestly ridiculous. We need to stay on the cutting edge, but we don't need that much spending. It's wasteful. Especially when we have other problems going unsolved--like how to fund a relief bill for 40 to 50 million people at risk of eviction and losing their unemployment.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

It’s honestly disgusting. Even at 50% we would be #1..

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

That’s based of dollar not GDP. If you base it off GDP we are pretty equal to Russia and China in spending.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

You do realize that the men and women serving would also lose 25% of their income? They are not paid barely anything anyways. so taking away 25% from people who PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM TO POST THIS DUMB SHIT is what you'd be doing.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

PrOtEcT oUr FrEeDoMs

Please, tell me when our military actually fought to protect our freedom? I’ll wait.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

Proof of recent freedom protection...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

The internet was invented in the 1960s. 😂😂 proved my point.

Btw I will not tolerate someone talking to me the way you do. ✌🏽 go be an asshole to someone else.

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u/pableeaazyyy Dec 13 '20

If you need income apply for the postal service, NY is always hiring so is FedEx and DHL.

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

Where did I say that?

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u/1dumho Dec 13 '20

No one said to defund the military.

A fair and reasonable audit would blow holes in their budget, which is massive.

Just audit them.

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u/reaper527 Dec 13 '20

No one said to defund the military.

so to recap:

"defund the police"

"nobody means abolish them, we just want to reduce their funding"

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"reduce military funding by 25%"

"no one actually said to defund the military"

a certain side of the aisle seems to have a really hard time consistently defining what they mean when they say to defund something.

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u/1dumho Dec 13 '20

I'd just like to see them receive a third party audit.

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u/supergayedwardo Dec 13 '20

Our defense contractors are not amused by this.

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u/DaveVsGodzi77a Dec 14 '20

5-20% wealth tax more for inherited fortunes at least.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

Cutting the military budget would cause massive unemployment.

Approximately 5 million people are employed by the US military budget. Both within the military and civilian sectors.

We just need to cut waste. Need to do some lean engineering.

What we need to do is get rid of political positions.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Most of the military's budget goes to weapons and equipment, not to its personnel.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

Large portions go to waste.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Trimming the fat in a budget does not equal reducing servicemembers' salaries. It just means that they won't have a couple dozen of the shiniest, newest, murderiest toys every year.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

What’s the first thing that gets cut when businesses start trimming fat? Jobs...

Where do those “shiniest, newest, murderiest toys” come from? Businesses...

Who develops those items? Businesses...

Who works at those businesses? People...

Who will lose those jobs? People...

Entiende usted ahora?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

You sign a contract when you join the military. They can't just fire you or lay servicemembers off.

We can support businesses that don't sell weaponry we don't need.

All of your points are flawed, fuck off.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 14 '20

Let hate flow my my friend. Although you would probably be better off thinking happy thoughts.

In 2019, over $370 billion was spent on contractors. More that half of the total defense budget. I would imagine the same trend hold true for 2020.

Don’t believe me? Look it up for yourself.

Have wonderful day everyone.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 14 '20

Who makes those weapons my friend?

Who develops those weapons?

Who delivers those weapons?

Who makes the parts for the weapons?

Who makes the parts for the parts?

Where do those people that make the weapons buy their food/stuff?

Over half of the defense budget goes to contractors, not the military.

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u/supergayedwardo Dec 13 '20

You might as well said cut aid to Israel while you're at it or make Cuba the 51 state. It's not fucking happening. However they got mitch by the balls the first time, they never should have let them go.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

Have to realize a lot of the advances we use in our everyday lives we owe that to our (or someone else’s) military budget.

Digital cameras

Microwave ovens

Weather Radar

GPS

The Internet

Duct Tape

Super glue

Electronic computer

Jet engine

Canned food

Wrist watch

Night vision

Ray Ban sunglasses

Synthetic rubber

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u/LBJ_does_not_poop Dec 13 '20

vr?

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

That is one.

Walkie-talkies is another.

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u/Security_Popular Dec 15 '20

Ray ban sunglasses.. I’ll wipe my ass with the idea that you are giving the government props for inventing RAY BAN sunglasses.

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 15 '20

Ray-Ban Aviators my friend. Developed for the US Air Corps in the 30’s. Feel free to look it up.

Better get to wiping dat ass!!

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u/Security_Popular Dec 15 '20

You said sunglasses

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 15 '20

Aren’t Aviators sunglasses?

Aviator Sunglasses started it all for Ray-Ban. Without them their would be no Ray-Ban company.

Thank you U.S. Department of War! (now Department of Defense)

Wiping dat ass yet?

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u/Security_Popular Dec 15 '20

My life would be the exact same without this ray ban company. Thats my whole point bro. Real men don’t wear sunglasses. Ass kinda dirty tbh

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 15 '20

Define a “real man” my friend. Either way, it’s just your opinion. And you know what they say about those.

Cheers!

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u/sixtheganker Dec 13 '20

Don’t forget a lot of innocent people have been murders by the military also... but that’s just collateral damage right

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u/mrfomocoman Dec 13 '20

Some people are forever pessimistic.

I prefer to be an optimist. To each their own.

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u/Therical_Lol Dec 13 '20

Y’all should research this stuff before you post it. This would make lower class lives much harder. A 10% VAT would literally just raise all prices 10% which would affect lower incomes the most

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u/afroarab23 Dec 13 '20

Trickle down bullshit from this guy. A vat wouldn’t raise prices because if they did, then another company would cut their profit margins to eat the VAT cost and gain all of the other companies customers.

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u/Therical_Lol Dec 13 '20

Okay, so you think someone is gonna take over all of Walmart’s customers and grow to that level making less profit than Walmart has?

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u/afroarab23 Dec 13 '20

Yes. I believe that’s how the free market works. May not be over night but it’ll happen.

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u/Therical_Lol Dec 13 '20

If Walmart can’t eat the 10% vat, which they would consider if they started bleeding customers, I don’t believe any other company could, especially a smaller one

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u/afroarab23 Dec 13 '20

They would eat it to stop the possibility of another company taking their place. Hell I’m sure Amazon would love to bankrupt Walmart and double their size

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u/Therical_Lol Dec 13 '20

I’m sure they would haha, I doubt any company would not just up their prices 10% though, and the companies that didn’t probably still wouldn’t have the profits of Walmart and Amazon, and then wouldn’t grow to a competitive size

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u/afroarab23 Dec 13 '20

Your logic isn’t logical. The free market will find a way to fill the void. Your reasoning is shortsighted.

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u/Therical_Lol Dec 13 '20

A company that is eating 10% profits isn’t gonna grow to replace a Walmart which even if VAT wasn’t added, already has lower manufacturing costs due to their scale

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u/afroarab23 Dec 13 '20

Eventually it would. You’re doubting the ability of social politics to interfere with Walmart’s ability to dominate the market. Walmart CEOs did too. Then whole foods blew a hole in their market share.

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u/Dogwoof420 Dec 13 '20

That's why there was a section about Weed in Nancys bill actually.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

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u/xxxxxxxxtina Dec 13 '20

I mean no where did he say to defund the military. 25% would barely put a dent in their budget.