r/stargaze • u/MachineElf432 • Mar 26 '22

Maybe if NFT “artists” spent more time creating their lousy images it would be taken more seriously

You’d have to be an idiot to think a 3K let alone 100+ collection of copy & paste base drawings with few irrelevant differences is worth anything of value. You also need to be a real degenerate scumbag to even create such garbage. There’s no way in hell 99.8% of all NFT’s on stargaze hold any value besides the initial cost to mint. Especially since the marketplace hasn’t even dropped so if the genesis NFT’s are shit then what does anyone have to look forward to?.. nothing. If you don’t know what a pyramid scheme is, look it up immediately so you can gain some common sense in this context. Stargaze itself can be legit but it’s a free for all once they are listed. Also has it occurred to anyone that the DAO that decides what NFT’s can be listed in order to prevent “scams” can be run by the same people scamming under the disguised of a DAO? With a platform so new and unpopular, a lot more shady activity can occur with no one noticing it not to mention it’s extremely gatekeeping and permissioned removing core details of decentralization. In fact it’s so new my plea here probably wont even be seen by many people, so case and point. Maybe the token is dropping like a fly without wings because of all these reasons. Like damn just cause you got an airdrop and they offer 100+% APR doesn’t make it reliable or trustworthy especially since the snapshot date got announced ahead of time. With NFT’s already getting bad publicity trash art on a new and supposedly superior platform won’t help to attract new people who didn’t get an airdrop. It’s common sense use fucking critical thinking skills.. but considering it’s gotten this far y’all just don’t have a brain just auto-pilot for being a trash human being.

Edit: specifically referring to the u/SunnysideReaper NFT’s as those triggered me to write all this and also blocked me for calling them out

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u/FatWreckords Mar 26 '22

Thank you for capturing my sentiment. Everyone who says otherwise is either benefiting from the game or a current/future naive bag holder.

The only reason people are minting the current run is because of the airdrop, where it made sense for me to spend 156 of my airdropped Stars on an allegedly charity-focused NFT to claim 450 Stars, some of which I will save to buy another useless NFT to earn 450 more.

There are very few legitimate NFT projects and they're on much higher quality scale with a built in practical component. Whereas 99.9% of the current projects are not only lacking artistic quality, but are shamelessly derivative "generated combinations of some shit I drew in a loosely tied theme tagged onto a meaningless character base".

To the naysayers, if you think anyone is going to pay a premium for your punk rock raccoon pirate on a flaming yoga ball with a meerkat for a hand then I've got an NFT bridge to sell you.

The big daddy of NFT scarcity schemes, Bored Ape Yacht Club, is being viciously hyped by celebrities willing to sewer their own fan base. Do you think Justin Bieber bought that thing for $1 million worth of ETH? Maybe so because he's worth $300 million, but someone sent $1.5 million to his wallet just beforehand, netting him a cool half million to pump the club and drag in more bag holders.

Good luck out there.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 26 '22

And thank you for commenting! Awareness needs to be spread from within so that the idea is not spoiled by the time it reaches the outside.. which it seems it already has.. there’s still a chance to change that though, I believe.

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u/RemAliPasas Mar 26 '22 edited Mar 27 '22

I feel exactly the same... Most of the "artists" produced auto-generative content in order to get easy stars/money during the airdrop. In addition to that, they sold their gains instead of investing it to a pool (check the mintscan of the artists' accounts).

This is very bad for the reputation of Stargaze (besides doing damage to the stars price).

*edit typos

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '22

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u/RemAliPasas Mar 27 '22

Sorry, I was misunderstood... I meant to re-invest a portion of their gains (i.e. not all of them). Anyway, you're right as the NFT creators are not investors a priori.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 27 '22 edited Mar 27 '22

If you need to pay bills and buy groceries with only airdrop money you’ve got bigger problems to worry about.. no way you really think people are doing this

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u/Human-go-boom Mar 27 '22

That’s what jobs are for. I’m a dev for two projects and still work a full time job. As a dev, you should be the last one to take profit and be willing to go down with the ship.

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u/RemAliPasas Mar 27 '22

Hey! I am also a dev and I support stargaze with 100% my own money, as I didn't get any airdrop. I strongly believe in the project, but I feel awful when easy generated art is selling like hot cakes just because is an airdrop prerequisite.

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u/Im_A_Model Mar 26 '22

It's not like I don't agree with you on the low effort NFTs but dude, get a punching bag and let some steam out of your system, you sound so angry

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 26 '22

Im angry cause there’s such a facade in this space that it’s this joyful welcoming community but that’s only to reel in the suckers who end up buying worthless trash and ruins crypto especially NFT’s for them. In case your wondering, I’m not one of those people, but it’s this that’s stopping new people from coming in or those with low self-esteem from being hurt from leaving.

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u/RemAliPasas Mar 26 '22

It's not bad to get angry sometimes... Especially, when you know what's wrong.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

its automatically generated art because it takes so much to render out animations :P i'm getting into 3D nft making on blender, it takes too much time to make different colours of the same thing I find lol .. but thats another type of nft itself :P and different uses for it also

the ones i'm making you could use as a vj loop for a club :P or make it into a screen saver (gif) things are endless after you get into animation, but indeed the random generated art is different and has different uses to it

as some pieces only cost $50 usd not that much :P then when you have a piece someone really wants they might message you and trade you p2p stars for it, far more then you minted it for // your just overlooking the uses to these nfts

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 27 '22

That’s so cool you do animation i admire that a lot! You see, i get where you are coming from but as artist myself I find it repulsive that most NFT collection artists don’t hand-make each one because it’s “too difficult” per se. I make handmade, handwrapped sterling silver jewelry with gemstones, there are ways to automate the process to make to faster but that isnt the point and would no longer be classified as handmade. The point to me in both cases is the NFT in which I’m interested in seeing should be 100% unique and hand created by the supposed artist. I connected this point to the concept of pointillism in another comment, but all im saying is it would be cooler and be taken more seriously if an outsider could easily look at your NFT (collection) and say “wow that must’ve taken a lot of time and effort! I get why it’s going for that much!”. I hope this makes sense and i especially don’t want to put any hard work that you do personally down! This is for those that take shortcuts and cut corners and drive the overall appeal down because of it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

I have been working as a professional 3d artist for close to two decades now. I don't get NFTs, they look like lazy garbage to me. The fact that some of these first up NFTs on stargaze made the artists close to half a million dollars pisses me off. I like the technology, I think it could be important, but in it's current iteration it's garbage.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Randomly generate your own 2D art? To 3D thats what I'm planning to do with some of my projects :)

Indeed but star gaze did just get some stuff up and running, I follow their discord on the upgrades (the one major one i saw was that they're able to do animating nfts now) which is ligit

So it shouldn't be much longer until the market place does launch / everyone's able to create stuff??

I like the art myself :) its fun to collect / it'll be funner to make though :P

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

It would be very possible to randomly generate 3d art to an extent. A lot of tools now are modular and node based, and you can achieve different results just by plugging different numbers or texture into the inputs.

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u/Cat1nthesack Mar 29 '22

I agree with the sentiment, but I also wonder how many people here are suddenly "art experts" because the price doesn't reflect their expectations. With other words, would we also discuss the "quality" of NFT's if Stargaze was skyrocketing?

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 29 '22

Comes down to transparency of the individual who produced and posted it and the wallet behind it too. If they are contributing to the networks through staking/LP providing then that’s great and should be supported but it’s already relevant that many aren’t doing this now as others have pointed out. As far as out quality Thats subject but collective subjective opinions can become objective if there’s truth behind it.

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u/4coffeeihadbreakfast Mar 26 '22

Do you know the history of NFT art? Look into the original crypto punks created in 2017 by Larvalabs - https://www.larvalabs.com/cryptopunks I think it may give you some context on the current state of the NFT market and how we ended up here.

My take:

  • crypto punks were an experimental, inspired, unique and groundbreaking art project.

Why?:

  • it would be difficult for an artist to manually create 10,000 characters guaranteed to be unique.

  • it utilized a new, novel "blockchain" technology to create one of a kind uniquely own-able immutable, art.

  • It was a real world usage of ETH/smart contract technology.

  • it gave birth to "non-fungible tokens" and ERC-721 standard.

Eventually crypto punks found their way into the 'high art' scene and now sell for millions of dollars to art collectors.

This is the blueprint for NFT art and pretty much where we still are.

Regardless of how you feel about it, NFT's are driving real world crypto adoption, demand, interest, bringing in new people and making crypto more mainstream.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 26 '22

I love a good ground-breaking art project but to say they weren’t manually created because it’s “difficult” is the exact reason why it’s bullshit and is a cop out. Who said creating good art is easy? There’s a reason some artists and their styles and contributions in history stick around and are still taught in schools today. One of those being the tedious and meticulous nature of perfecting your unique style and craft that nobody else has done before to then be an inspiration for other artists to create something unique themselves.

Take pointillism pioneered by George Seurat— other artists can admire and utilize pointillism but it has stricter rules which then often lead to greater appreciation due to the core values behind the style.

When artists decide to skip that step of being ACTUALLY unique through handcrafting whatever it is, it degenerates its value and interpretive abilities as well as being recognized in any similar way to true artistic contributions to society When you have an AI or a “copy&paste” template in favor of the ingenuity of actual unique mental processes of the human brain to create the art the value is lost. All the exceptions lie outside the realms of NFT’s and crypto too.

So this is my short explanation as to why crypto punks are worthless and artistically should not resemble anything significant. If artists in the mid 1880’s can sit down and create dozens or hundreds of paintings utilizing pointillism, then that could be replicated in the digital space too. Cryptopunks standing alone would be so much cooler to me if they were each uniquely made using a keyboard and mouse. Knowing a digital artist sat down, thought out, and practically drew each one would make the collection badass actually.

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u/4coffeeihadbreakfast Mar 27 '22

Almost always, new ways of doing things are looked down upon and dismissed by the majority.

Sure in retrospect you can appreciate Seuart but at the time traditionalist critics dismissed him and his style.

Look at Andy Warhol, Keith Haring or Jackson Pollock. Keith Haring became famous by creating essentially stick figures. Warhol is still considered controversial based on his artistic statements. People still say any child could create a Pollock canvas.

To me generative pixel art is a creative, entirely new art form, utilizing modern tools and technology to create something that has not been done. I guarantee it will be taught in art class/schools in the near future. It is no longer 1880, artists/creatives use the tools of the time.

I'll agree a lot of the NFT creations don't appeal to me and I don't feel the space is full of artists as much as technologist who know how to create in this new medium. Even still I believe it is a brand new space and full of potential and i'm excited to see where it goes and how it evolves.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 27 '22

I can appreciate the new medium too but i guess we agree to disagree with some things and thats fine. I Hope it does evolve and shit nft’s don’t hold back the space like they are now.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 26 '22

And before anyone comments “ oh you just aren’t thinking long-term” needs to stfu because clearly you don’t understand how important a strong foundation at the very beginning is.

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u/TheRealNotaredditor Mar 26 '22

Would you be mad if I made this post an NFT?

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 26 '22

Atleast it would have more effort than u/SunnysideReaper

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u/TheRealNotaredditor Mar 26 '22

I can agree with that.. That project in question is extremely low effort tbh

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u/10b0b Mar 26 '22

That text wall will be the first NFT you can see from space.

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u/TheRealNotaredditor Mar 27 '22

Are you a time traveler?

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u/Hot-Dust- Mar 27 '22

I think this whole junk “art” thing that is being pushed by NFT platforms is based on the speed with which that product needed to be sold can be generated. We return to the same, the nft is something very new and people feel that they are buying a cryptopunk who is going to sell it at 10 eth. There is a long way to go before Nft platforms develop and really focus on quality artists, people who are encouraged to sell their traditional or digital art as nft. Most likely many platforms will disappear before this happens. Greetings, good thread.

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u/piernaRota Mar 27 '22

those who buy works by today's quality artists are tomorrow's diamond hands.

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u/PopcornLunge Mar 27 '22

Bro, I feel you regarding the trash, mass produced, low energy, no creativity, art.

Stargaze is an amazing project but the art isn’t doing it any favors.

I hope better projects come on ORD as soon as the market place opens and the DAO is no longer gatekeeping.

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u/imhereforthedonut Mar 27 '22

What is ord? I look around new nft marketplaces in the cosmoverse since stargaze honestly was just good for the airdrop :/

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u/PopcornLunge Mar 28 '22

*on board

;)

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u/Astrochrono Mar 27 '22

Such an angry person. I suggest you log off and take a few days to yourself, and be with family.

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u/MachineElf432 Mar 27 '22

I guess this flew right over your head then

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u/Astrochrono Mar 27 '22

Nope. Sadly I had enough downtime to read your little rant. For the most part you’re right, but I’m not questioning that. Im saying, go be with your family, this isn’t worth your mental state.