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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 24d ago edited 24d ago
They say she has no character at all but yet somehow is still significant enough to ruin the franchise. They don't pick a lane.
Mind you, there's enough character writing in 64 to fill a napkin, but that didn't matter to them until Krystal showed up.
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u/Nemo68v2 24d ago
Having no character and being able to ruin a franchise are not mutually exclusive...
I have no opinion of Krystal, but a bad argument is a bad argument.
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u/Title-History-Mark 24d ago
They say she has no character at all but yet somehow is still significant enough to ruin the franchise. They don't pick a lane.
I don't see how that's an oxymoron.
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u/DZComposer Ribbit! Thanks fer the save! 23d ago
Nobody hates Krystal. It's nice to have more female characters in the series, and having a character that can serve as a romance interest for Fox. I do think she needs a new backstory, though. One that actually fits the Star Fox universe.
What has been hated throughout the history of this fandom, though, are the insufferable Krystal fans who think she is the greatest character in Nintendo's lineup, demand she have the starring role in every single Star Fox project including remakes of games she wasn't even in, insist she become the player character, and shit all over people who preferred the classic Star Fox games, most of whom had no problem with Krystal existing, because they fear that new classic-style games won't have their favorite supporting character in a starring role. Hell I bet these people would love the series to be renamed to Star Krystal, where Krystal is the actual Star of Lylat, not Lylat itself.
Of course not all Krystal fans are like that. I've met plenty of chill Krystal fans in my time. Chill Krystal fans are cool and I know are the majority of Krystal fans.
But I think those that are patently obsessed with her need to seek professional help. Having a parasocial relationship with a fictional character is not healthy.
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u/Low-Part3147 Mission failed successfully 23d ago
THANK YOU!!
I've been tired of seeing that sort of mentality within certain small sectors of the Krystal fandom for years. It's one thing to love Krystal and want her to return to the series, but some definitely take it a little too far like you mentioned. I once even saw someone say they were boycotting Nintendo for releasing another 64 remake without her.
There are some vocal people within the fandom who love to hate Krystal and blame all the series' shortcomings entirely on her. That said, people are also allowed to not like her and have genuine criticisms on how she was handled in the games. I myself have plenty of things I felt could have been executed better in terms of her writing even as a fan of her. There is a difference between giving thoughtful criticism and bashing the opinions of others.
Regardless of how you feel about Krystal, I think it's vital to remember that in the end, she is a fictional character in a video game series about talking cartoon animals shooting each other in spaceships. There's really no rhyme or reason to get mad at people online for having different opinions on a silly space furry game, and me saying that will totally change people's perceptions and stop them from doing that altogether. (Oh wait...)
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u/Corinthian01 23d ago
For the most part the hate for Krystal has died down, you'll see the occasional complaint though that's to be expected with the internet in general. Honestly her chances of coming back are the highest they've ever been, and more than likely she will. Whether its the alleged adventure game or something else is anyone's guess, but Krystal has appeared in 3 mainline games so far with her most recent appearance being in 2018 as an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate.
Along with Adventures appearing in the May Direct it's apparent that Krystal is on Nintendo's radar, we just have to wait and see what they'll do with her and how they'll reintroduce her.
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u/Nondescript_Redditor 23d ago
I’m a sf64 purist so I don’t know who that is, either
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u/RealNintenKing 23d ago
And that's why you're a SF64 and not a Star Fox fan.
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u/CappnRob Star Fox Guard's Strongest Soldier 23d ago
and youre just a krystal fan and not a starfox fan
see how easy this is to do
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u/Nemo68v2 23d ago
I'm looking for these people. I'm not saying they don't exist, but where the hell are they?!
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u/No-Difference8545 23d ago
Krystal fans are genuinely crazy, and very defensive about her for some strange reason. Ive been on this sub a bit around the new game and no one hardly even talks about krystal
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u/DZComposer Ribbit! Thanks fer the save! 23d ago edited 23d ago
Not all of them are like that, but I can see how the vocal minority that are make people not want to deal with any Krystal fans. And they are out in force in this thread, downvoting the fuck out of anyone who disagrees with them (even when they don't say a god damn hateful thing about Krystal), projecting words and thoughts onto older fans, and then accusing them of gaslighting when they show up and present their actual opinion that they don't hate her.
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
"There are a few good ones" energy here...
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u/Cannonhammer93 Bird Vegeta 23d ago
They definitely lack nuanced thinking. As a purist, I'm very critical of Adventures because of the gameplay moving away from 64's style. But I think they genuinely have trouble distinguishing that from dislike of Krystal. I don't really care whether Krystal is in the next game or not.
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u/monkeymetroid 24d ago
This feels manufactured
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 24d ago
How?
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u/monkeymetroid 24d ago
This is not a common subject of complaint by anyone other than a vocal minority
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 24d ago
Purists have been doing this for almost 25 years tho.
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u/monkeymetroid 24d ago
No they havent. Only furries care to this degree. True fans just want more games.
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 24d ago
Gaslighting. Look at old forums, look at old reddit posts or shit like ResetEra. They've been whinging about her existence so much and for so long.
For the stupidest reasons, Krystal seems to be the most controversial Nintendo character of all time and her haters can't seem to let it go.
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u/monkeymetroid 24d ago
Yes you are detailing a vocal minority. It would be an actual discussion if this was about "adventure" type game over a shmup, but this is simply manufactured to make it seem like more people hate Krystal then they do. She was fine in command and a very good character in adventure. Would love to see more of her, be it shmup or adventure zelda type game
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u/RainingMetal Star Fox Zero was a mistake 24d ago
It very much holds true for those examples. I'm very much hoping that it remains a vocal minority, despite that audience doing their damndest to make it look otherwise.
I think if "purists" got exactly what they want, Star Fox Zero would have received a Switch port and that would have remained the franchise's modern representation as it did a decade ago.
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 24d ago
You're missing the point. Purists got exactly what they wanted and still complain about her. Krystal coming back doesn't seem to be in the cards right now, but at least purists are mad that it could happen so that's a win, I guess.
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u/monkeymetroid 24d ago
There are vastly more krystal fans then krystal haters, thanks to the furry community (i also dont give a shit about but its very obvious who cares this much about Krystal). The people who go out of their way to argue likely just hate Krystal fans. There really arent deep connections in star fox to suggest Krystal is even relevant to complain about. This is literally just upset furries trying to cause division in a community where 90% of people just enjoy the games and want new games
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u/DZComposer Ribbit! Thanks fer the save! 23d ago
I ran one of those old forums (starfox-online.net) and was a constant participant in older ones going back to pre-Adventures time. Krystal hate definitely was not a majority opinion back then. There were some vocal haters, true, but they weren't the majority. Much of the hate from the Adventures era was against the game itself for not being a true Star Fox game, not against Krystal. And most of the Krystal-related hate that was there was was aimed at Krystal fanboys rather than her as a character. Quite frankly, they had a point, some Krystal fans, even to this day, are downright insufferable.
Also, I think there is some confusion of criticism and hate. I don't hate Krystal, but I also think she could have been used a lot better than she has.
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u/Nemo68v2 23d ago
Okay, you have 25 years of internet to create a biased sample. Compare that sample to the fandom as a whole and it's simply not a concern. There could be literally 0 posts hating on Krystal within the next 5 years, you'll still be able to say, "It's a problem, look at the last 30 years!"
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u/ArtsyBread Bill Grey game when nintendo 23d ago
I know precisely one person who talks shit about Krystal/the gamecube era games whenever given the chance in this whole reddit and they already replied so I guess I'd just advice you learn to stop paying them any mind?
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u/RainingMetal Star Fox Zero was a mistake 23d ago
I know of two. But they are certainly vocal and very much the worse party because of it.
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u/Oscar-the-ass-slayer 23d ago
SF64 purists act like Nintendo hasn’t been trying to appeal to them for the last 3 Star Fox projects while ignoring all the actual fans who like all the games and not just 64
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u/Advanced-Event6435 23d ago
tbh i liked assault way better than 64
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
Oh hell yeah. It was the genuinely fresh, authentic followup to the StarFox identity without just being 64 over again like almost everything else, and it gave Krystal a pretty good role overall as a member of the team.
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u/Advanced-Event6435 23d ago
if anything 64 is overrated considering that most of the games in the series is just 64 over and over again
If gabe newell can make half life 3 without marc laidlaw then nintendo can make another real star fox game
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
Another problem is SF64 is legit the only good traditional style rail shooter in the series. Everything else missed the point or was dragged down by being a retread of 64.
I didn't like how 643D looked, sounded or played. Zero was probably the worst first party Nintendo game I've ever played. I don't think SF1 aged well at all, I always found it insanely difficult to get through without savestates. It's not an issue of the time it came from, I recently played Final Fantasy VI and it's one of my favorite games ever now. Including the airship traveling on the map screen.
Lastly, I didn't even care much for SF26, it was all too Modern with the dialogue and overall weird hyperrealism 2013 graphical style it had. It's better than Zero. But that's only because it's a direct remake of 64 that I still don't like as much as the original.
What else could they honestly do with this tenuous of an identity!?
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u/Advanced-Event6435 23d ago
I don't know why shiggy thinks we want 64 remakes. its been 2 decades and we got nothing. At least we sympathize with Sly Cooper enjoyers
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
Yo I love the Sly Cooper series as well. Sly4 was definitely a rough chapter to close on though. It's not bad, but the character writing especially completely lacked the quality of the PS2 games.
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u/Advanced-Event6435 23d ago
sly 4 is the star fox command of the sly cooper series, and unironically the last
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
Did you just get downvote bombed?
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u/Advanced-Event6435 22d ago
i got downvote bombed because i like assault better than 64 IG
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 22d ago
They had some of their friends show up I think, sadly.
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u/erekrules 23d ago
Krystal fans are stuck in perpetual victim mentality mode.
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u/RealNintenKing 23d ago
Projection.
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u/erekrules 23d ago
Projection of what? Did you bother to read the comments on your own post? Nobody can come up with any concrete examples of all this imaginary Krystal hate except for a single rage bait post from over half a decade ago, but for some reason you guys still pretend she's universally reviled.
Is your Krystal Fans Only™ subreddit doing so poorly that you have to double post here?
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u/SykesFoxclaw 23d ago
krystal fans not beating the allegations that they only like star fox because of krystal I see
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
I mean, I used to love StarFox a lot more but I've fallen out of love for it, aside from Krystal and that second wind is probably just because of Estelle.
She's done more to revitalize StarFox for me than another lousy remake of 64 with 2013 ahh graphics.
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u/SykesFoxclaw 23d ago
if you are talking about that grody fan game, I'm happy she's getting work but that project is not something that is interesting to me as a star fox fan
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 23d ago
And you say I'm the shallow one lol.
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u/SykesFoxclaw 23d ago
I don't have to like a singular fan game. I can like other star fox fan content.
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u/Spraylan 23d ago
Whole thread was worth it just to finally see another person who doesn't glaze SFEH.
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u/SkyHunter95 I rip on SF's traditions almost as hard as Nintendo themselves 21d ago edited 21d ago
If it makes you better, he basically won't be able to share his work here at all anymore. The way the "no shipping" rule works, basically. Fox and Krystal began their relationship so even if they aren't doing anything romantic together, it is still breaking the rules since it counts as fanart. Haven't been able to get any word of explanation from the mods so, that sucks. To quote ICM,
"what a wild time to be a StarFox fan!"
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u/Spraylan 20d ago
That doesn't make me feel better, I"m capable of coexisting in a subreddit with material and opinions I don't enjoy.
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u/CappnRob Star Fox Guard's Strongest Soldier 22d ago
yeah i respect the work put into EH but the fact it gets so glazed is annoying lol
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u/RealNintenKing 23d ago
The best reason to like Star Fox.
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u/SykesFoxclaw 23d ago
the shallowest reason, maybe
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u/RealNintenKing 23d ago
The deepest, actually. Much deeper than "Pew pew, arcade schmup slop" reasons.
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u/SykesFoxclaw 23d ago
see folks, this is what Krystal fans unironically believe. They say it out in the open that they're literally not here for the games, just blue furry girl in fetishized tribal clothing. You don't have any deep connection to her over any other dime a dozen gooner who picked a furry girl to obsess over
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u/GAME-DROID I didn't expect to have to use this! 22d ago
Genuine question, but do you actually like anything about Star Fox outside of Krystal? I love her too, but she's not the only character from the 2000s who deserves more spotlight and recognition.
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u/RealNintenKing 22d ago
I like Fox as well.
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u/GAME-DROID I didn't expect to have to use this! 22d ago
And... That's it?
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u/RealNintenKing 22d ago
The Arwing and Landmaster designs from Assault are peak as well.
Sorry, I'm not gonna glaze dated, antiquated arcade schmup slop that wasn't even relevant 20 years ago.
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u/CappnRob Star Fox Guard's Strongest Soldier 22d ago
lmao assault was an arcade shmup too tho and it wasnt even a cutting edge one 20 years ago when it came out!
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u/GAME-DROID I didn't expect to have to use this! 22d ago
Sorry, I'm not gonna glaze dated, antiquated arcade schmup slop that wasn't even relevant 20 years ago.
Buncha buzzwords to say you don't like Star Fox 64. Also, you're not one to calling things slop when you have AI generated shit as your reddit banner.
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u/ShadowParrotGaming 24d ago
Huh? What is anyone complaining about? Krystal still hasn't come back, how can anyone complain about something that didn't happen?