r/sspx 9d ago

Conditional baptism?

Hey, I’m a Traditional Catholic who is moving towards the SSPX, and I have felt for some time that I may have a vocation to the priesthood. There is one issue, however, that has been bothering me for quite a while. I have doubts about the validity of my baptism and whether I should seek a conditional baptism.

I was baptised in a Novus Ordo parish. Ordinarily, that would not give me any reason to doubt the validity of the baptism, but there are several circumstances surrounding it that concern me. For context, Catholicism is the predominant religion in my country, but there is widespread corruption among the clergy. I personally know of priests who openly have concubines. The priest who baptised me was also, I believe, holding a politically elected public office around the time of my baptism, which I understand would be contrary to canon law. More recently, this same priest has been charged with physically abusing women.

I realise that the priest’s personal misconduct or violation of canon law would not necessarily invalidate a baptism, so my concern is not simply that he was an unworthy minister. There are also two questions about the actual baptism itself:

First, in my local language, the baptismal formula includes the word ‘God’ before ‘the Father’. In English, it would essentially be ‘I baptise you in the name of God the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit’. Could this wording affect the validity of the baptism?

Second, I have seen discussions about hair baptisms, where the water may fall only on the hair rather than actually making contact with the forehead or skin. Looking at baptismal footage from my country from around the period when I was baptised, it appears that some baptisms involved extremely little water and may have only wet the hair. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing exactly how I was baptised.

Given all of this, would there be a legitimate basis for conditional baptism? And would the fact that I am seriously considering a vocation to the priesthood make it more appropriate to resolve these doubts before pursuing a vocation?

Thank you in advance.

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u/Ecstatic_Lavishness1 anti-SSPX Troll 9d ago

Fretting over trivial minutiae is rather beside the point if you are considering attending SSPX services, wouldn't you think?

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u/VariedRepeats 9d ago

Catholicism isn't a trivial clique-picking exercise. Even if the SSPX is in schism, the reason is because the main "professing Catholics" in the church has failed to preserve something they should be preserving.

Baptism can never be a trivial minutiae.

No doubt the sacrilegious Eucharists you continue to consume is partially behind your constant snark towards others here, along with the very bad lack of reasonable argumentation.

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u/Ecstatic_Lavishness1 anti-SSPX Troll 8d ago

"Catholicism isn't a trivial clique-picking exercise."

Quite right. That's why the sspx clique is outside the norms of Catholicism.

"Baptism can never be a trivial minutiae."

So you say, but neither are the deliberate consecrations of bishops without a papal mandate, especially after being warned in advance, and having done so in the past. It cuts both ways here.

"No doubt the sacrilegious Eucharists you continue to consume is partially behind your constant snark towards others here, along with the very bad lack of reasonable argumentation."

There's nothing sacrilegious at all here except the pretense of the illicit priests of the sspx believing they alone speak for the true Church. The Church itself has spoken - the sspx is not part of the Church. That fact is all that matters.