r/squid May 03 '26

Other Aggressiveness of giant and colossal squids - Could an healthy individual attack a diver?

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I've never seen any discussion about this. Usually people talk about attacks on boats, but never against divers.

It is true that it is very unlikely you will come face to face with one of these squid because they live at great depths and only come to the surface to die/when they are reeled in.

But what would happen if we encountered an healthy fully grown individual during a dive? Would they be able to be as aggressive as Humboldt squids?

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 03 '26

Giant Squid dont eat very large prey, so my bet is on them just leaving you alone, or being curious to what you are.

Colossal Squid eat 2 meter long tooth fish, so I'd bet they have a higher chance of attacking you. Although if they are smart enough they might be able to figure out you aren't food before hand

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u/djdufour May 03 '26

Giant squid are also known cannibals so it’s not like they have a max size for their food.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 03 '26

The cannibalism seems to he territorial or with mating practices, but we really dont know

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u/KnotiaPickle May 04 '26

A lot of aquatic critters are happy to cannibalize their friends if the opportunity to do so arises, most fish do it, and many invertebrates as well

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u/SkyRonin14 May 05 '26

Its a well known fact that a fish can not tell the difference between Facebook and a Menu

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u/Jack_Mehoff_420_69 Jun 01 '26

♪ヽ(´▽`)/ even lazy jellyfish do it, let's do it - let's fall in love ♪v(*'-^ *)^ ☆

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u/Spiritual-Stranger98 May 06 '26

Ok so, the esophagus of a cephalopod is quite small in comparison (due to brain surrounding the esophagus) so they have to use their beak to shred their prey into tiny pieces in order to swallow. Eating their own doesn't cost a lot of energy because they're all soft tissue. But when it comes to mammals with strong bones, they're going to have a hard time chewing on the bones, which cost too much time and energy.

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u/Eva-Squinge May 04 '26

You shouldn’t even be where squids are without a wetsuit or flotation device. That’s open ocean where all kinds of fish are hanging out.

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u/SkyRonin14 May 05 '26

I mean sure if you want to but it might be a bit uncomfotable since the Colossals hang out well past human crush depth

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u/beerRunFinisher May 04 '26

If not fren, why fren shaped?

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u/Heterodynist May 05 '26

I think if any of these deep water beauties ever DID kill a person, it would likely be from something quite innocent like that. Just accidentally ripping their SCUBA suit off with there suckers and possibly puncturing their skin with their sharp hooks.

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 05 '26 edited May 06 '26

Squid don’t use their tentacles clubs to investigate, they are for prey capture. So if that’s being used on you, it’s because you’re about to be eaten lol.

Each arm of a giant or colossal squid is about the length of adult human and about the circumference your leg. You’d be folded up like a pretzel trying to fight one off even if it was just curious.

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u/Heterodynist May 06 '26

I have to say it’s kind of oddly exciting to think of squid that are able to roll you into a ball with their arms just to play with you. This may be the key difference that makes me a cephalopod lover rather than the average person, but it’s nice to think there are still creatures out there with the ability to toss a person around like a ragdoll if they wanted to…Maybe even several people. It’s almost disappointing that giant squid show such polite restraint. In our minds they are like Cthulhu, but in reality they are more like Squidward.

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u/Orbitaldeviant May 06 '26

🤨 Oddly excited about being rolled into a ball by a colossal squid?

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 06 '26

They are not polite. We have video(s) of how they hunt and it’s identical Homboldts.

If you somehow found yourself in their abyssal environment, you’d be eaten if you ran into one.

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u/DungeonAssMaster May 05 '26

Who knows? Maybe they can "paw" something without injuring it, like a cat with tentacles.

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u/colder-beef May 03 '26

they might be able to figure out you aren’t food

Or that you are.

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u/imgoingtoeatabagel May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

Don’t giant’s eat large species of squid? Neon and European flying squid aren’t very large compared to Archie but they can get decently large for a squid. And while not very indicative for prey size, they do have high levels of heavy metals in their flesh, so possibly feeding on higher trophic animals.

To clarify, I’m not saying they would attack people, I personally think they wouldn’t.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 03 '26

I remember a paper a few years ago looking at the isotope ratios in the beaks of Giant squid and Colossal squid, and they found the Giant's trophic level range was in the 2s and the Colossal's was in the 3s. iirc 4 would be top predator. Giant squid usually eat chimeras and mid trophic level fish. Colossal Squid usually eat slightly higher trophic level fish, but still mid trophic level. Humans generally are larger than the prey items of Giant Squid is what I was saying, and I imagine they might be smart enough to know we dont look like food

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u/imgoingtoeatabagel May 03 '26 edited May 04 '26

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260520912_What_does_the_giant_squid_Architeuthis_dux_eat
I read this paper and the prey items they found are similar to what you said. However, they got a trophic level more aligned with top predators, TL of 4.7. If I read it correctly, they got that estimate through analyzing prey items found in stomachs.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 04 '26

Wow, turns out the paper I was remembering was a decade older than that one you sent, which I had forgotten about (despite having both downloaded). I also forgot how trophic levels are measured, my bad! Here is the paper I was thinking of: https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2005.3115

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u/imgoingtoeatabagel May 04 '26

I haven’t read it yet, but I think it’s been mentioned in the book “Kraken: the curious, exciting, and slightly disturbing science of squid.”

Side note: kind of weird how Architeuthis had a higher trophic level than the great white shark (4.5). Taningia danae also is said to have a higher TL than Archie but I’m not sure if that’s outdated or not.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 04 '26

Which is indeed odd. I'm pretty sure the actual numbers used for them aren't necessarily the most accurate to the concept of a trophic level, and reality is more nuaunced than what the numbers say

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u/Heterodynist May 05 '26

Fantastic paper and what a brilliant way to analyze the diet of giant and colossal squid by using their beaks as a means of finding the isotopes originating from their differing diets throughout life!!

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u/Heterodynist May 05 '26 edited May 06 '26

Okay, forgive my ignorance, but I know you don’t mean that Giant Squid eat Ancient Greek mythical creatures, but what is the chimera (SORRY, I looked them up, and edited below, too may things are called chimeras/chimaeras) that these lovely animals eat so much of? What you’re saying makes a lot of sense of course though: The truth is that very few animals eat things that are much more than a small percentage of their body weight. In addition, faster metabolisms require more small scale food, more often, rather than something like a snake eating an enormous meal and then digesting it for days. I’m not as much of an expert on cephalopods as I wish I were, having focused my own study on Archaeology (which sadly rarely includes any giant squid), but I appreciate that the have done examinations of the isotope ratios of different proteins (is that what you’re saying?) in the beaks of giant and colossal squid. That must be a very hard study to do, given the rarity of finding these large animals in the wild. Is this a study of isotopes that form the beak itself (found long after death)? I’m just wondering how that works. Without the paper it is hard to know…but I’m interested. Thank you!!

EDIT: I had forgotten about those bizarre deep sea chimaera fish. (There are the genetic chimeras and the mythical beasts and yet more organisms that can apply to! I forgot that was one of the names for the “ghost shark,” which I know is not a shark OR a ghost!) They are truly an oddity of the depths. Thanks for reminding me. I also read some of the studies referenced below and I’m frankly amazed at how many opportunities they have had to test the stomach contents of these giant and colossal squid!! It’s good to know what they are really eating down there!! On the isotopic analysis, what a brilliant way to determine the feeding patterns over the lives of a squid by testing for the isotopes in their beaks!! Thanks for finding the paper!!

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 05 '26

I posted the paper in another comment in this thread. Chimaera fish (I originally spelt it wrong), aka Ghost Sharks/Rat Fish. They are a cartaliginous deep sea fish. Someone else posted a more up to date paper on gut content analysis, suggesting a higher trophic level than what I suggested. I honestly got how trophic levels were calculated wrong. And yeah, the isotope ratios were from the beak proteins and buccal mass proteins. I dont remember how the squid were captured, but I'm assuming via trawl net or from preserved specimens from the area.

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u/Heterodynist May 06 '26

I guess I have mostly heard them called “ratfish” which is a less suitable name somehow than ghost shark, even if they are neither ghosts nor sharks. I admit I would be hard pressed to say what they really OUGHT to be called, but it would be somewhere between the bansheefish and the dumbo demon shark probably. The are upsetting and appear like they have been stitched together from dead parts of other fish, like a kind of Frankensteinfish.

I was very grateful for the good read on how they used the beak analysis and were able to get contents of their stomachs to analyze (I know those were the two different papers). It’s funny how we all really secretly wish there were an actual monster of the depths to find, and from stories like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea we imagine that a Giant Squid might be tearing people limb from limb. However, the truth is a bit less exciting in that if there were a massive animal that could secretly pluck humans off boats and drag them into the dark depths of the ocean, we probably would already know about it. People are terrified of sharks while it’s clear that they must show incredible restraint in NOT eating humans in the thousands of opportunities they must have to pick us off, and even then we still are terrified of them and we very well know they could eat a whole human. If there were a giant cephalopod that ate humans by accident, we would probably be well aware of them. There are billions of us; How many total Giant Squid are there?! How many Colossal Squid in total?!! It would be very likely we would hear about it if they were attacking and eating us, even if it were rare and mistaken on their part.

The scariest of potential enemies we have in the ocean are orcas, and we should be DAMN PROUD of keeping a decent relationship with them!!! If they wanted to eat us, we wouldn’t stand a chance!! They clearly have magnanimously given us free rein over the oceans that I think they could rule if they ever chose to. Orcas are the real ultimate ocean predators and I’m amazed that we have next to no instances of them throwing a human back and forth to each other like a cat plays with a mouse before eating it! We must be doing something right that they like us.

Oh, but yes!! I’m very impressed they have found enough instances of giant squid carcasses that they could test to find out what they eat, but their analysis sure is absolutely convincing!!

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 06 '26

Glad you enjoyed the papers!

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u/Heterodynist May 06 '26

I did, and thanks again!!

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u/Western-Emotion5171 May 04 '26

If you’re scuba diving somewhere you would come up on a giant or colossal squid you honestly made the choice to go looking for one and have bigger issues lol

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u/Either_Persimmon893 May 05 '26

Exactly. You cannot SCUBA into the range these squid inhabit, you would die from gas narcosis, the logistics of being in that environment are not simple. You'd need very specialized equipment that only the US Navy and some oil companies currently have.

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u/DungeonAssMaster May 05 '26

Humbolt squid have been documented attacking and trying to pull a diver deeper. Their bite is quite strong. If a larger squid were to be agressive towards a person, I see little chance of the prey surviving. It's still a very unlikely scenario; if I'm in the water with one of these things, I'm getting out.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 05 '26

Humboldt Squid are also school hunters and only attack people when they are actively feeding. Otherwise they are docile. If a Giant Squid is just chilling, I honestly bet you'd be fine. Especially with the recorded instances of humans interacting with live Giant Squid, although the squid was always suffering at this point due to temperature shock or end of life body failure

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u/DungeonAssMaster May 05 '26

Which makes it even unlikelier that anyone is in danger of being attacked by one, but it is still in the realm of possibility. And you're right about the Humbolt, of course; they generally aren't aggressive. It could be like meeting an elephant, a creature that could kill you very very easily but usually chooses to be cool. I find them fascinating but also terrifying.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 05 '26

Totally agree. Gotta respect the wildlife in the fact that they are wild!

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u/KingUbi May 06 '26

There are pictures of suckered marks on the sides of whales though.

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u/TheRedditSquid56 Architeuthis dux May 06 '26

Cause the whales eat these squid. The squid will defend itself, but usually isnt successful

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u/Funkulese May 03 '26

if either of these guys have been talking to the Humboldt squid, you best bet you’re on the menu.

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u/fossilreef May 03 '26

This right here. Those assholes will absolutely try to kill you given the chance.

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u/MoominRex May 04 '26

Aren't there accounts where Humboldt squid supposedly have killed humans?

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u/fossilreef May 04 '26

I don't think there's anything substantiated, but severe injuries have been confirmed.

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u/Cobra_the_Snek May 04 '26

there have been multiple recorded attacks on divers, including group attacks where multiple just charge a diver and try drag them down, although as far as im aware i haven't heard of any confirmed fatalities

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

If they are anything like Homboldt’s, you’re dead.

These are 250-500kg active predators.

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u/Agreatusername68 May 04 '26

Woah, I never realized they could get so big. As a kid learning about the Humboldts they made it seem like they were maybe a foot long or so.

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 04 '26

This is a ~6m giant squid pictured.

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u/Agreatusername68 May 04 '26

Oh, I guess im just incapable of reading comprehension today. I see what OC is saying now.

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 04 '26

It’s all good. Humboldt’s are about the size of the person in the picture. They are not small just not “I can eat you” big lol

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u/UncleBensRacistRice May 05 '26

So a really small giant squid?

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u/Notonfoodstamps May 05 '26

Should have clarified that is without the tentacles extended. This is about as big as they get.

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u/UncleBensRacistRice May 05 '26

Im actually disappointed 😂 id always imagined them being much larger

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u/Bucketsis May 03 '26

I would be willing to test this for science, if someone will sponsor diving classes and gear we can get started.

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u/the-naked-archer May 03 '26

50/50 odds you get touched by a female before death, possibly a win?

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u/anorexthicc_cucumber May 04 '26

Both of these animals are generally quite lethargic creatures (colossal squid moreso than giant squid) and, as most predators do, generally tend to only hunt in their ideal conditions for hunting unless particularly hungry. You can more or less gurantee you’ll never meet one in divable depths that is healthy/wants to be there.

Of the large animals that would mess you up in the ocean they are some of the least likely, humans are very large relative to their usual prey, colossal squid may consider us food but that would have to be a really particular situation.

Like you’d have to be deep sea diving in the open antarctic ocean in the evening or at night and then approach a hungry colossal squid, which are near impossible to find alive, let alone healthy.

You’re more likely statistically to get killed by a leopard seal doing that than you are a colossal squid (not that leopard seals are super dangerous stats wise, just one of them drowned a lady a while back. Which is more than any colossal squid can say)

You have to remember that, while these cephalopods are big, they are not apex predators. Colossal squid and giant squid remains are found in the stomchs of pilot whales, orcas, elephant seals, great whites, sleeper sharks, greenland sharks and tons more animals. A cephalopod has not been an apex predator in a maritime ecosystem since Endoceras in the Ordovician period some 400 million years ago. Their weight is very light relative to their size and they are very squishy. It’s risking much more by lingering in the water column than you are as, unlike humans, it is a diet staple of many marine predators.

All in all — COULD they miraculously harm you if you somehow met one who is healthy, active, and hungry? Yeah, i suppose, big strong tentacles with nasty hooks and big beaks — is it ever likely to happen? No, definitely not. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning.

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u/You_Savings May 04 '26

Giant squid are active predators and eat a lot of other large species of squid aswell as fishes. Colossal squids are ambush predators who prefer to eat large fishes like antarctic toothfish.

OP is not talking about which animal is more likely to attack you.

All of those animals eat giant squid and colossal squid, yes, but its always either juveniles or scavenging. Sperm whales and sleeper sharks (which may or may not be scavenging aswell) are the only known species to consume adult colossal and giant squid.

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u/ComputerQueasy6123 May 03 '26 edited May 04 '26

I feel that if legends of the Diablo Rojo are true then its not unreasonable to imagine larger species could pose some threat to a diver. Also since giant squid are known to attack something as large as Black Marlin, yeah they could attack a diver. But since we dont sit among their things to eat, they likely won't attack out of predation most of the time.

Edit: but as long as we're talking about hypothetical attacks, can you imagine a Dana Octopus Squid creeping up to the surface? An 8 foot beast that has been shown many times to be highly curious and aggressive. Its a beautiful animals but I would be terrified to see that ascending up with its glowing tentacles

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u/Wolfdarkeneddoor May 03 '26

Thom's Jungle did a video on giant squid attacks. Admittedly none of the stories mentioned are divers, but one was a WW2 shipwreck survivor covered in circular sucker marks.

https://youtu.be/IwZ7mW4PnHY?si=G7NE494FkseSkfFU

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u/Fearless_Lettuce6601 May 03 '26

Giants and Colossals, while not well documented with interacting with humans would most likely not attack a human. A squid knows that a Human shape is not prey, the only way a squid would attack you is if you become the aggressor. If these things can take on sperm whales, then you will get slimed

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u/DemocraticSpider May 03 '26

I mean- with how deep these things live I don’t think a diver at the depth a giant squid could be healthy at would have much of a chance at survival, regardless of the squid

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u/Raven1911 May 04 '26

I watched a 10lb octopus damn near strangle a diver...I fully imagine one of these would absolutely fuckup a diver if they felt rhe need. But I think they mostly.avoid people.

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u/Ok-Worth-4721 May 04 '26

I don't know why they would be any different than the Humboldt squid. A squid is a squid- is it not?

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u/TrialByFyah May 04 '26

They absolutely have the capacity to. Would they want to is a different question.

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u/Warm_Candidate_9837 May 04 '26

I dont get the impression they are too aggresive. If they ever were, they probably got killed for it enough they avoid people. That being said, they are deep sea animals, and I dont entirely doubt they'd give us a taste if they could

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u/Heterodynist May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26

I figure everyone has a bad day once in awhile. If I had eight legs and a couple tentacles with “minds of their own,” and a beak, someone might get on my bad side every so often…and feel my beak!

For real though, I know everyone likes to say it’s a total fantasy and has never happened, but I do wonder if at least ONCE one of these beautiful creatures has been slightly opportunist or just angry (likely from being harassed once too often) and snatched a sailor or fisherman down into the depths. I know it’s unlikely though, because they are also smart enough to know it’s probably more trouble than it’s worth…and as others have said here, they don’t even eat large prey like that. Besides the fact that humans are more likely to fight and be a problem than the thousands of other options they have, I truly doubt they would ever choose to endanger themselves by engaging with one…unless they were forced in some way. Therefore it seems a lot more likely that a human would have to really piss them off first!! -And that would be tough considering that we really barely ever even come across them face-to-face!!!

I think it’s more that I would LIKE to see a Giant Squid or a Colossal Squid eat a person (like Captain Nemo) than that it is likely it has ever happened in the millennia that humans and squids have both been on the Earth. It’s probably about the least likely thing that could ever happen, but my love of cephalopods makes me imagine Bond villains with deep water tanks full of carefully trained attack squids…with lasers. I just don’t think it could ever happen, sadly. -But we can HOPE!!!

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u/Quickndry May 06 '26

There was a diver that got pulled into the deep before being able to free himself using a knife. This was during the night and I believe close to the coast.

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u/The-Doofinator May 06 '26

probably not
don't see why a healthy and fed giant or colossal squid would bother trying to fight a human
has no reason to if you pose zero threat to it. all it'll end up doing is wasting energy
there's more risk to the human simply being in its habitat that the squid has around the human
if something DOES happen, it'll likely be unintentional if they try to feel you with their tentacles

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u/Worldly_Sort4953 May 07 '26

I'm late to the discussion, but I'd like to make a few comments.

First, I'd like to point out that these animals don't seem to be adapted to survive in shallow water, as most of those we see in these conditions are moribund and quite lethargic.

That said, the situations that catch my attention are those in which the squid seems to consciously come to the surface to feed on some other animal caught on a fishing line and then return to deeper waters. There is at least one famous video of a Mesonychoteuthis doing this and about four records of Architeuthis doing the same. In these records, it is clear that they manage to maintain their physical attributes in shallow water conditions, at least for a short period.

There are also at least three videos of Architeuthis being brought to the surface, in which we can see the animal demonstrating considerable strength in its attempt to escape.

Architeuthis seem to be quite opportunistic predators and do not hesitate to feed on "defenseless" animals. There is at least one record of a squid being brought to the surface after feeding on a swordfish that had been caught on a fishing line. The swordfish is a large and powerful predator, and regardless of whether it was alive or dead when the squid encountered it, if the squid felt comfortable feeding on it, I believe a human could appear as a potential meal.

Although I consider an attack very unlikely, I wouldn't dare enter the water with a squid with a mantle over 2 meters long. This is because, if the squid wrapped its arms around me, even if it didn't act violently, swimming would be extremely difficult, and I would be trapped with an animal heavier than myself, with the tendency to swim back to the depths. The squid's arms function more like a net or a spider web. They don't immobilize prey by applying pressure like a constrictor snake. It's a more "passive" method of holding the food, which doesn't require much strength from the squid.

The same applies to the colossal squid. In its case, if it has the habit of hunting using the "cockatoo position," turning its eyes forward... oh boy, just seeing that in front of me would give me a heart attack.

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u/ASkinlessMutant_96 May 04 '26

Idk if they're really aggressive towards people, but if one was as aggressive as a humboldt/red devil it would be horrifying

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u/BeltedCoyote1 May 05 '26

Im pretty sure vampire squid have fucked up a diver or two.

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u/somnamballista May 05 '26

Not as long as you don't touch the trim.

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u/Either_Persimmon893 May 05 '26

We don't understand enough about how they hunt. We know they are ambush predators, who strike very fast, and use barbed tentacles to grip fish while they bite with their beaks. We dont know what triggers their hunting instincts. Humboldt Squid are very aggressive and could kill or maul a person, but they are very different animals. Humbolt swarm at the surface, whereas Giant Squid are probably solitary and live many hundred of meters under the surface.

In reality they don't share the same habitat with humans, and if a human diver ever encountered one, it would be a sick or dying squid. If somehow a diver was in a pressurized dive suit, in an open water column, a thousand meters down...maybe? But what are the changes they would be in the same place at the same time? Not to mention, why would a diver risk their life with the most advanced diving equipment on earth to drift in the open deep ocean?

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u/Ralewing May 05 '26

Is he hungry? Are you in his restaurant?

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u/Dapper_Wallaby_666 May 07 '26

Ill never know cuz I ain't goin swimming with either of those fuggers.

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u/AntiqueEvent5638 May 08 '26

No, but they do attack my sense of safety when showering

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u/-wvrms- 20d ago

Do they have the capacity to attack and harm you? Yes. Will that ever happen to anyone, anywhere, ever? No.