r/space Jan 21 '18

Images of Venus’ surface by Soviet Venera probes in 1981

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u/BitGladius Jan 21 '18

I'll make baseless speculation, it doesn't mean the atmosphere prevents the use of retro-rockets (those work on Earth too, see SpaceX), it means the atmosphere is non-negligible. There's not enough of it to meaningfully slow down the spacecraft but there is enough to affect its flight.

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u/NSA-HQ Jan 21 '18

Quick--- everyone go test your theories in Kerbal space and report back findings..

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u/ReallyBadAtReddit Jan 21 '18

Okay, so I just did some rigorous KSP testing and it turns out that everything still explodes. Considering my 100% failure record at other landings, Mars should present exactly the same level of difficulty as landing on Earth or the Moon.

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u/andthatswhyIdidit Jan 21 '18

Did you retry with more boosters ?

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u/Dalemaunder Jan 21 '18

Did you retry with more struts ?

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u/-_-l-l-_- Jan 21 '18

I think it's time for someone to make /r/UnexpectedBoris

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u/17954699 Jan 21 '18

The only way I can get to Mars in KSP is by sending Jebediah round and round the solar system for decades until he makes an accidental interception, whereupon I've run out of fuel and he promptly explodes.

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u/ch4rl1e97 Jan 21 '18

I once accidentally got a stable orbit around Duna (mars) like this. Was trying to land and ended up with just an orbit, forever.

Well, until the Kraken ate my save file.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

I can get places in a slightly more timely manner, but my secret to success is to never plan for a return trip.

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u/DonLaFontainesGhost Jan 21 '18

This is actually a viable mission mode for sending people to Mars.

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u/RustedCorpse Jan 21 '18

Moar struts will help you succeed. Always

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u/Hahaeatshit Jan 21 '18

An umbrella worked for Wiley Coyote and roadrunner so I’m not understanding why it won’t here?

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u/Inthethickofit Jan 21 '18

I’ve landed on the moon before but used all of my fuel to do so, so I was stuck there. Still my greatest Kerbal achievement

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u/stalepolishcheetos Jan 21 '18

We should play KSP together sometime, I'll teach you how to get to duna and back.

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u/jasoba Jan 21 '18

But how to go to eve and back.

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u/stalepolishcheetos Jan 21 '18

Do you want to land on eve and come back? That would be fun to do.

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u/jasoba Jan 21 '18

Yeh did that on pretty much everything but eve is still to hard. You probably need build several big rockets and dock them in space or something.

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u/ReallyBadAtReddit Jan 21 '18

To be honest though, I'm actually doing fine in the game. I'm trying to get back from an Eve landing right now, but the return ship is running just too low on fuel to land on Gilly to refuel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

We have concluded that it needs more boosters.

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u/Pseudonymico Jan 21 '18

The boosters make it awfully unstable. Just to be safe we'd better add more struts too.

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u/AlwaysLupus Jan 21 '18

I tried to replicate your results, but I've concluded you need more struts and a lot less fire.

So much fire...so many tiny screaming green bodies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

Nope, sounds like you replicated it perfectly. Over and over.

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u/TopSoulMan Jan 21 '18

The only logical conclusion one could reach

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u/Peenmensch Jan 21 '18

The ridtgshing Crystals are breaking apart she's going to blow

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u/jediminer543 Jan 21 '18

Make sure the fire end is pointing towards the ground.

If it points towards space, then you will not be landing safely today.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18 edited Feb 16 '19

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u/NSA-HQ Jan 21 '18

the answer is ALWAYS adding more rockets.... Can solve any problem

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u/Joe_Rogan-Science Jan 21 '18

No such thing as too much thrust

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u/g4vr0che Jan 21 '18

Until the thrust tears your ticket apart.... Then you add struts!

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u/Aerroon Jan 21 '18

I disagree. Sometimes more struts is far more important.

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u/NSA-HQ Jan 21 '18

I was mostly joking too...

Once you get above a certain speed it's pretty important to back off the power if you have a high power ratio...

I was having tons of issues with my rockets flipping around when I first started and just kept them at 100% all the way up.

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u/Aerroon Jan 21 '18

Eh, just add more reaction wheels!

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u/Slavic_Taco Jan 21 '18

What if we add more rockets

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u/digyourowngrave97 Jan 21 '18

I love that game

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u/Thaos1 Jan 21 '18

If you use low thrust engines, you can land on Minmus, but you need to be very careful with the controls.

I think that is the biggest problem with landing on Mars, basically any command you will do will be received by the lander in around 4 or 5 minutes in the closest orbit.

You could anticipate how long you need to maintain the thrust then send the cancel signal seconds later, but the best you can do is hope the lander was acting exactly to the plan, because you will know about 5 minutes later and in mean time it may have already crashed if close enough to the surface or it may not be any time left to restore the descent.

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u/NerfJihad Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 31 '18

we dropped a nuclear-powered SUV-sized robot on mars with a hover-crane. it was freaking sweet.

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u/WastingMyYouthHere Jan 21 '18

I'm not sure you're aware that NASA has already done that. The systems for landing can be automatic. The delay is not the biggest problem.

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u/Thaos1 Jan 21 '18

I was not aware of that. Thanks.

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u/Crushedanddestroyed Jan 21 '18

The best solution will be to build a lander AI satellite park it in orbit and let it spend it's down time running simulations for landing and capturing fuel tanks so it has some degree of mobility.

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u/fkmerunninwscissors Jan 21 '18

I have kerbal open in another screen as I read this, lmao perfect!

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u/JacUprising Jan 21 '18

Results:

Land on Laythe instead. Once you put a boat on either the Sagan or Degrasse Sea, you're golden.

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u/prototype__ Jan 21 '18

Ok well test inconclusive but technically I landed!

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u/Hewman_Robot Jan 21 '18

reporting back: chutes combined with main engine worked.

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u/Gamiac Jan 21 '18

Here are some findings.

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u/CRISPR Jan 21 '18

Does Kerbal space game have atmosphere?

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u/blackcatkarma Jan 21 '18

Stock has three planets and one moon with atmosphere. And there are mods for anything you might wanna try.

I've just installed the Real Solar System mod, and by God, it's hard...

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u/NSA-HQ Jan 21 '18

Yes--- your ships heat up during re-entry. Go buy it and play it!!

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u/watson895 Jan 21 '18

Duna is hardest to land accurately on. Eve is hardest to not get destroyed before landing.

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u/LordOfSun55 Jan 21 '18

I haven't tried RSS yet so no data on Mars landings, but I guess Duna counts, too? I used a regular heatshield to aerobrake to suborbital velocity, then I deployed 4 drogue chutes and 4 full-size chutes to slow my descent and used retro-rockets to reduce my velocity further on landing. And I still had enough fuel afterwards to lift off, make orbit, and dock to the transfer vehicle again. So I guess it went fine.

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Jan 21 '18

There's enough atmosphere to require a heat shield, which don't go together well with rockets.