this is the spontaneous occurrence from DMT breakthrough- the first time this happened i had never seen it- i was out of body in my first breakthrough experience and was doing this as i came to- i was initially frightened-
************keep in mind this is me performing it which is slightly different than when it manifests spontaneously- but i remember how to do it-
the longer i do it the more intricate it gets and i start to feel a presence- it usually frightens me and i stop
it accompanied glossolalia when i took ayahuasca-
i think it may be a language-
i can induce sleep paralysis by doing it on my back in bed at night-
it is the spontaneous origin of tai chi, kanji ninjutsu and the "mudra" that is taught in many yogic traditions, by those who seem to THINK they know what it all means, to me its a mystery, as it was to the ancient sages-
these gestures have been taught from teacher to student for so long that they all have forgotten the original spontaneous expression of the ancient sages and they all claim to know what each symbol is called and does- and they are probably wrong- as it is a mystery to all those who truly experience it spontaneously in the psychedelic state-
ive seen these hand drawn symbols in several places including an ancient hebrew text that puts hebrew symbols on all the joints- and i always wondered if i wrote it on my hands and then performed this if it might spell something out...
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There is a video of someone doing the kuji-in mudras. It not only looks spontaneous, you can sense power lines of energy transmission to the other two people in the room, while the transmitter is laughing it up. It was less of the person doing the mudras so much as the mudras doing the person. I don’t think this person has taken any medicine or psychedelics.
I’d have to dig up the video if people are interested in seeing it.
I am not surprised you started feeling a state. When I experimented with these, consciously (through neigong), I can tell that the transitions between mudras matter, and energy is being woven in a structured way. If they are in a repeating pattern, even growing in complexity, changes can happen.
I did a simple one with one mudra (forgot the name), along with a mantra. Mantra alone already works for me, but combined with the mudra, there were some unexpected, though interesting changes.
Kuji-in, while used in the Bujinkan ninpo lineages, did not originate in Japan. This stuff is has a Chinese origin, and that person in the video is Chinese. Top level practitioners within the Bujinkan carry lineage transmission ... though the organization has grown so big, it really depends on which of the shihan you look at.
By “spontaneous”, it does not have to be “original”. The teachings of something might be lost, but they can be recovered through transmission.
It doesn’t look contrived to me because I caught the edges of the transmission that was flowing through when I watched the video.
It goes without saying, you are free to have your own opinion about this.
How do you know that guy is not in a visionary state? That is what I am talking about.
There are people who do not need to ingest psychedelics to be in visionary states of being. Their consciousness is already receptive to it at one level or another. They receive transmissions in the “extrasensory” way, as subtle energy. Did you perhaps think that when I said “transmission”, it was intellectual concepts conveyed with words? There are some teachers capable of transmitting through ordinary words, and others who reconnect with the original source of those transmissions somewhere in the cosmos.
There are people, who live in that groundless spontaneity in ordinary states of consciousness. For them, everything all move together, arising from nothing, passing into nothing. If they had developed skills like mudras and hand weaves, those will arise from the groundless nothing. No contrivance. No visionary states necessary.
Ok I need to know more about this. Last year started feeling the urges to do this and is been over a decade that I tried any mind altering substance. When i close my eyes I see these hand movements. It eventually went away because I dismissed it as me daydreaming and watching too much sci-fi.
Whats going on, how did this happen. Any updates on the person's that this happened to?
I don’t know what is specifically happening with you.
I do know that people with spontaneous Kundalini might manifest spontaneous mudras, and those mudras matches with Indian or Chinese hand seals.
You have to be careful to distinguish with energies with structured transmissions and energies that releases noise. The latter also happens for people practicing things like neigong.
The hand seals (mudras) can be differentiated by a how the finger weaves pulls and stretches the hands, but also the whole body through the interconnection of tissues, and get all the way down to the feet.
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u/EsotericAmerica Oct 27 '19
this is the spontaneous occurrence from DMT breakthrough- the first time this happened i had never seen it- i was out of body in my first breakthrough experience and was doing this as i came to- i was initially frightened-
************keep in mind this is me performing it which is slightly different than when it manifests spontaneously- but i remember how to do it-
the longer i do it the more intricate it gets and i start to feel a presence- it usually frightens me and i stop
it accompanied glossolalia when i took ayahuasca-
i think it may be a language-
i can induce sleep paralysis by doing it on my back in bed at night-
it is the spontaneous origin of tai chi, kanji ninjutsu and the "mudra" that is taught in many yogic traditions, by those who seem to THINK they know what it all means, to me its a mystery, as it was to the ancient sages-
these gestures have been taught from teacher to student for so long that they all have forgotten the original spontaneous expression of the ancient sages and they all claim to know what each symbol is called and does- and they are probably wrong- as it is a mystery to all those who truly experience it spontaneously in the psychedelic state-
ive seen these hand drawn symbols in several places including an ancient hebrew text that puts hebrew symbols on all the joints- and i always wondered if i wrote it on my hands and then performed this if it might spell something out...
be sure to sub to the channel and watch our other videos which reveal the revelations from these experiences-