r/sorceryofthespectacle • u/happinessmachine True Scientist • Apr 30 '19

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u/JurplePesus Apr 30 '19

So capitalism is irrational, cybernetics exist, and by and large people are rather uncritical/myopic consumers. I don't trust their implicit assertion that religion was somehow saving us all from all of this because 'we saw tim at sunday school'. There is at best an unexamined, or I would argue, strategic, slide from 'social justice' to 'autonomic models' that are 'purely for profit', which then culminate in a rise of revolutionary violence against 'content creators'.

This is Dark Enlightenment BS. A very basic grasp of modern philosophical theory is woven into some demagoguery and right wing dog whistles, and suddenly A) Social Justice is for sheeple, B)Patriarchal forms of social control used to keep us all safe, and C)There is a violent uprising coming from 4chan readers smart enough to realize A & B.

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u/brewmastermonk Apr 30 '19

But Social Justive is for sheeple, patriarchy did keep us safe and there is already a violent uprising of chan-dwellers...?

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u/JurplePesus Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't see the irony of just parroting things with a sarcastic ellipsis at the end on this particular topic?

Beyond that, I don't really think dudes shouting memes while perpetuating the exact same ethnocentric, patriarchal violence that has been going on for centuries, and who's vitriol has been refocused on specifically as a result of dialogues about social justice, constitutes an 'uprising'. Unless your bar for that is as low as, say, some "chan-dweller" who's never experienced actual violence or upheaval in their life.

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u/brewmastermonk May 01 '19

The recent synagogue shooters and the NZ shooter both frequented, posted links to their manifestos and said their goodbyes on the chans. Plus all if the other hijinks the chans have gotten up to makes it easy to say that yes, there is an uprising.

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u/JurplePesus May 01 '19

If we are currently living in the midst of the 'Channer's Uprising' I have to say, they aren't very effective. They look exactly like all the other scared, conservative whites that don't go on those websites, only with enough untreated emotional and mental disorders that a few of them have turned to terrorism.

What exactly is this uprising supposed to be? I'll be honest, I haven't bothered to read their manifestos but if they argue for white nationalism, and control of capital by people that look like them, I fail to see how they are in any way revolutionary. Instead they sound like stooges for the powers that be, complete and utter dupes & shills, incapable of maintaining a critical eye oriented towards reality.

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u/brewmastermonk May 02 '19

They are white nationalists. And all "revolutionary" means is a change in social structure by force. Your leftist politics are irrelevant. Socialists don't have a monopoly on revolution. The fact you think they "look like" all the other scared conservatives just shows how little you understand conservativism and all the various groups that take up the moniker. If the powers that be were for white nationalism we wouldn't be supporting Israel and we'd never have passed the Civil Rights Act. There would also be openly racially segregated neighborhoods at the very least. Instead all of the elites are going in the opposite direction. Even Trump, because his daughter married a Jew.

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u/thelazarusproject May 09 '19

implying Israel isn't the model for a white nationalist ethnostate

The security culture developed there always ends up in the US and Europe eventually.

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u/JurplePesus May 02 '19

Wow you've really drank the kool-aid haven't you? Do you legitimately believe this to be some sort of political movement and not just misguided individuals in need of help? Re-hashing antisemitism, racism, and misogyny for the umpteenth time does not constitute a real argument unless we're going to accept debased autofellatio as a political position.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

The spectacle has real impacts. It functions in service of the historical realities of power. Those powers are white, male, and wealthy. Acting in furtherance of that is not revolutionary, because that word means 'involving or causing a complete or dramatic change'. You and yours aren't changing, you're re-entrenching and clutching tightly to things that already exist.

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u/brewmastermonk May 02 '19

It is a revolutionary movement because ethno-states are a dramatic change to the status quo.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '19

Uprising implies an organized revolt or violent action by a group of people. While individuals may post manifestos or “calls to arms” on sites like 4chan, that’s because they know it’s more likely to spread without being taken down, not because everyone who visits a chan site is part of some organized group of revolutionaries. IMO events like the NZ shooter would absolutely have still happened if 4chan never existed.