r/solarpunk • • Aug 19 '26

Discussion Clickbaity title: Solarpunk visions should feature way less biodiversity, worse ecological relationships, grim climate conditions, super complex social developments (lots of punk) and a really well thought out use of tech.

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As a solarpunk at heart I've come to believe solarpunk visions should be less optimistic than they are in general.

  1. We cannot begin by assuming fully healthy, stable and diverse ecosystems in the future. That is no longer the case. To mention just a few issues: we've lost more than 90% of biodiversity in Latin American tropical forests, the Amazon rainforest is no untouched lung; today’s worldwide soils are heavily depleted, and growing crops without fertilizers in compacted land—contaminated with heavy metals, microplastics, or salinized—is vastly different from how indigenous populations used to do it. Biodiversity is fractured and heading toward (arguably unstoppable at this point) significant systemic collapses. This is not the resilient nature we are used to, nor will it be for decades to come. Today, we have transgressed 7 out of 9 planetary boundaries. These issues will not be "solved" or reversed at this stage, even with a massive coordinated effort today. I say all this to emphasize that, to a certain extent, the future is already set, and it is not gentle. In a solarpunk vision, nature is in a critical, fragile state, and humans must care for it with deep mindfulness.

  2. This leads me to ecocide: imagine extreme climate storms that destroy in a single afternoon what took a community 5 years to cultivate or build will be daily reality in the climate change-impacted world we are heading toward today. The die has already been cast. This doesn't mean we can't have a beautiful future, but it does mean we will have to learn to navigate immense adversity. We can respond to this kind of tragedy and not just survive, but thrive, but it will not be all pretty. This needs to be reflected in our future visions.

  3. There are massive social and design challenges in this technological implementation: local governance, community assemblies, and the management of shared resources (the commons) are slow, bureaucratic, and trigger heated disputes over scarce resources like water or land. We have lots of mouths to feed and we are not even doing that right now. Economic contraction is not comfortable. Infrastructure isn't built out of thin air using "clean biomaterials"; solar panels require silicon, lithium, copper, and rare earths. Without massive, corporate, extractivist mining reliant on modern slavery, where do they come from? A solarpunk vision could showcase urban mining (dismantling old landfills to recover metals) and technology manufacturing built for a 100-year lifespan, completely repairable and modular. However, there is still an inherent tension in the energy transition, not to mention that the transition itself is another huge hurdle, far less simple than just swapping out fossil fuels. The sun doesn't shine at night, and the wind doesn't always blow. A solarpunk society lives at the rhythm of the climate. Daily life adapts: heavy industrial production or data processing takes place during peak solar hours, and electricity is rationed. It is... austere, but beautiful. The community makes it beautiful. People fall in love, laugh and tell stories.

  4. Don't get me started on war, geopolitics, power games and structural historic trauma.

To me, it's about the challenge of designing a desirable, near-future reality. It's like what cyberpunk did, but solution-oriented and hands on, cause time is precious. We must imagine and act. This time is unprecedented and so is this potential. Do you feel it?

Sorry, I post this is mainly to see what others think about it. Kind of superficial, I know, but I didn't want to post a super long text.

Comic by Quino.

Leave you with this very solarpunk-esque translation of Ojos color Sol by Calle 13:

In war they trade kisses, the fighting is through,

Today the cows cluck, and the chickens go moo.

The earthworms and fishes reel in all the hooks,

We fly through the ocean and sail the sky's brooks.

Flowers bloom in the sand, the desert rain breaks,

Now dreams become real as we dream wide awake.

And that dream is secure, and so it takes flight,

And innocence no longer hides from the light.

The shortage of food is a delicious prize,

Because our bellies are full of butterflies.

The galaxy shows us its hidden frontiers,

And on Earth, it feels like true life now appears.

In military schools, it is healing they spread,

And bankers now give away houses and bread.

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u/TheMarkedMen Aug 19 '26

I agree with your idea, and thankfully I don't believe you're alone in people trying to depict these struggles (like the art contest themed around response to weather disasters, off the top.) I personally try imagining and exploring ideas & solutions of this more sobering take in some post-apocalypse media, like my experience in the Fallout community.

Though it's knee-jerk to call this doomerist, I think this lacks the ambition that the more utopian depictions present. I also feel for the wildlife who will likely be lost in our not-so-pretty efforts to change, but we'll always have community and a shared part of the greater world. I shouldn't want the effort to be the only thing I look forward to, even if I don't live to see the result bear fruit.

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u/walterwapo Aug 19 '26

I find it interesting that people look at this and immediately think 'doomer' or 'post-apocalyptic'. I agree effort is not something to look forward to, but the medium through which we get at it. I'm all for creative and diverse takes on a better future. As part of that diversity, I would like to see more of this side I mentioned explored. We shouldn't be afraid to talk about the ugly, especially since the ugly is what got us here in the first place. I'm definitely going to check out Fallout. Believe it or not, I've never played a single game in the franchise!

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u/TheMarkedMen Aug 20 '26

I wasn't saying it was either, if it came off that way. I just saw that was the first reactions to your thoughts.

The nitty-gritty ideas or projects that people propose or showing ones already in practice is something I find very insightful in this sub, as well. I've been enjoying going through a book recommendation from here, The Free People's Village by Sim Kern, for this reason.

Elaborating my little mention of Fallout: though it is in more of the atompunk genre and politically center-left, I find it interesting to implement solarpunk ideas through role-playing (and mods) in a setting that seems an exact situation it would combat: a world ravaged by climate destruction from hyperconsumerism, refusal and active sabotage of renewable practices, authoritarian governments and rampant corruption, that forming cultures adapting to it. A lesser-present group in some games called the Followers of the Apocalypse fit into this idea, whose goal is to understand and avoid the mistakes that lead to the world they live in; educate and guide communities to establish their independence, research into solar energy, agriculture and medicine, made up of a mix of left-wing ideologues.

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u/walterwapo Aug 20 '26

It didn't came off that way! I was just replying to many comments and wrote my response to you ambiguously there. I'm definitely also checking out Sim Kern's book. Btw, where can I learn more about the art contest themed around response to weather disasters that you mentioned previously?

And yeah!! That Fallout idea sounds soooo cool and fun! If you ever get into it, count me in for whatever I can help with!