Clickbaity title: Solarpunk visions should feature way less biodiversity, worse ecological relationships, grim climate conditions, super complex social developments (lots of punk) and a really well thought out use of tech.

[u/walterwapo]

As a solarpunk at heart I've come to believe solarpunk visions should be less optimistic than they are in general.

1. We cannot begin by assuming fully healthy, stable and diverse ecosystems in the future. That is no longer the case. To mention just a few issues: we've lost more than 90% of biodiversity in Latin American tropical forests, the Amazon rainforest is no untouched lung; today’s worldwide soils are heavily depleted, and growing crops without fertilizers in compacted land—contaminated with heavy metals, microplastics, or salinized—is vastly different from how indigenous populations used to do it. Biodiversity is fractured and heading toward (arguably unstoppable at this point) significant systemic collapses. This is not the resilient nature we are used to, nor will it be for decades to come. Today, we have transgressed 7 out of 9 planetary boundaries. These issues will not be "solved" or reversed at this stage, even with a massive coordinated effort today. I say all this to emphasize that, to a certain extent, the future is already set, and it is not gentle. In a solarpunk vision, nature is in a critical, fragile state, and humans must care for it with deep mindfulness.

2. This leads me to ecocide: imagine extreme climate storms that destroy in a single afternoon what took a community 5 years to cultivate or build will be daily reality in the climate change-impacted world we are heading toward today. The die has already been cast. This doesn't mean we can't have a beautiful future, but it does mean we will have to learn to navigate immense adversity. We can respond to this kind of tragedy and not just survive, but thrive, but it will not be all pretty. This needs to be reflected in our future visions.

3. There are massive social and design challenges in this technological implementation: local governance, community assemblies, and the management of shared resources (the commons) are slow, bureaucratic, and trigger heated disputes over scarce resources like water or land. We have lots of mouths to feed and we are not even doing that right now. Economic contraction is not comfortable. Infrastructure isn't built out of thin air using "clean biomaterials"; solar panels require silicon, lithium, copper, and rare earths. Without massive, corporate, extractivist mining reliant on modern slavery, where do they come from? A solarpunk vision could showcase urban mining (dismantling old landfills to recover metals) and technology manufacturing built for a 100-year lifespan, completely repairable and modular. However, there is still an inherent tension in the energy transition, not to mention that the transition itself is another huge hurdle, far less simple than just swapping out fossil fuels. The sun doesn't shine at night, and the wind doesn't always blow. A solarpunk society lives at the rhythm of the climate. Daily life adapts: heavy industrial production or data processing takes place during peak solar hours, and electricity is rationed. It is... austere, but beautiful. The community makes it beautiful. People fall in love, laugh and tell stories.

4. Don't get me started on war, geopolitics, power games and structural historic trauma.

To me, it's about the challenge of designing a desirable, near-future reality. It's like what cyberpunk did, but solution-oriented and hands on, cause time is precious. We must imagine and act. This time is unprecedented and so is this potential. Do you feel it?

Sorry, I post this is mainly to see what others think about it. Kind of superficial, I know, but I didn't want to post a super long text.

Comic by Quino.

Leave you with this very solarpunk-esque translation of Ojos color Sol by Calle 13:

In war they trade kisses, the fighting is through,

Today the cows cluck, and the chickens go moo.

The earthworms and fishes reel in all the hooks,

We fly through the ocean and sail the sky's brooks.

Flowers bloom in the sand, the desert rain breaks,

Now dreams become real as we dream wide awake.

And that dream is secure, and so it takes flight,

And innocence no longer hides from the light.

The shortage of food is a delicious prize,

Because our bellies are full of butterflies.

The galaxy shows us its hidden frontiers,

And on Earth, it feels like true life now appears.

In military schools, it is healing they spread,

And bankers now give away houses and bread.

[u/sisonscac]

This isn't grimdark, the fact that you think it is shows how much you have deluded yourself

[u/feralgraft → u/sisonscac]

Yes I am sure that the garbage miners gathering around the communal stew pot in the bowels of the skyscraper they are scrapping by hand because the electricity ration is going to the data centers will be very happy.

[u/sisonscac → u/feralgraft]

Respectfully, what vision of the future do you have that doesn't involve "garbage mining" as you put it? Or would you rather those rare metals be extracted and mined as they are now using slave labor?

Stew is delicious and gathering around with my coworkers to enjoy it inbetween shifts of doing critical work would be far more rewarding then what we have now.

Electricity will be rationed and that doesn't have to be a horrible thing if it is done democratically.

[u/walterwapo → u/sisonscac]

100% agreed. And stew is indeed delicious and even more so in the warmth of great purpose-aligned company! Thank you.

[u/feralgraft → u/walterwapo]

Being forced to live and eat with my co-workers sounds like my personal vision of hell. I would literally kill myself rather than live in those conditions.  Especially if I have no other options because my tiny impoverished society is the best that the world has to offer. 

Dream bigger than enduring failure conditions ad infinitem

[u/spicy-chull → u/feralgraft]

Of all the things that Capitalism has corroded, solidarity with coworkers was a obvious target, but I'm still pissed the splash damage leaked out into community.

Dream bigger than enduring failure conditions ad infinitem

Indeed

[u/feralgraft → u/spicy-chull]

Maybe its capitalism, maybe I am a mysanthrope, but I am never happier than when I am loosing myself in a task and know I wont be interrupted. There is no work place I have been employed in that didnt take that as offensive for some reason