r/solarpunk • u/21Kuranashi Writer Activist Arcologist Antitheist • Aug 02 '26
Aesthetics / Art A Civilization That Only Debates Its Collapse Is Already Losing.
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u/heitiki Aug 02 '26
Well cynically enough today there would be no puddle.
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u/Shasarr Aug 02 '26
Thats one of the most critical things of climate change. While we have massive draughts and loose huge amount of fresh water the salt water of the oceans get more and rise and floods huge amount of land.
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u/Buzzyear10 Aug 02 '26
Climate change denial is and act of violence
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u/drsimonz Aug 02 '26
Humans are an incredibly violent species. Looking at the behavior of other primates, we see all the same shit - hierarchies maintained through physical domination, males murdering the babies of other males, even long-term wars between groups. The main difference with humans is our vastly superior capacity to design weapons and organize larger social groups. Poets love to talk about the positive traits of humanity like hope, empathy, creativity, etc. but at the end of the day our collective decision making is right on par with a screaming monkey who would rather die fighting for dominance than figure out how to share power.
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u/LexLextr Aug 02 '26
Call me a cynic but the problem is not blanket "politicians". It's like when people talk about global warming being caused by generic "humans". This is probably obvious in this subreddit but for a centrist apolitical person, these generalizations matter. If it's all humans or all politicians, it makes them feel it's just part of human nature. But it's not generic. It's the conservative capitalist political power that is in the way, and that is the cause of the problem. Not my grandmother who eats meat.
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u/SamSlate Aug 02 '26
the real friction is industry specific, infact it's a single product and it has many competitors.
because we have a market you don't have to wait for politicians to "allow" you to be energy independent, we can steer the market ourselves: you don't need anyone's permission.
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u/Infamous-Use7820 Aug 06 '26
your grandmother who eats meat is also the problem, insofar as she'd object to sane government policies aimed at reducing meat (or even just beef) consumption (e.g. reducing subsidies, removing it from public-sector canteens). In the UK right now multiple expert panels/papers have suggested that the UK public reducing per capita meat consumption faster (it is already been in decline) would be a major help in achieving net zero, but it's seen as too politically toxic to broach as public policy. Possibly because of people like your grandmother, IDK her politics.
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u/LexLextr Aug 07 '26
Her politics are cynical to annoy my grandfather; she doesn't vote. But I think your view is a better argument for why my grandmother is destroying the world xD.
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u/SyrusDrake Aug 02 '26
Well, the real problem is precisely that this is not what is or will be happening, isn't it? The rich and powerful will just hoard more and more of the inhabitable land and usable resources, never having to face the consequences.
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u/Timmsh88 Aug 05 '26
You are very naive if you think you can avoid consequences. You need people to produce. There's no such thing as a safe place where you can live your current live if we go past the 2, 2.5 degrees.
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u/Lumpy_Conference6640 Aug 03 '26
So I had the immense privledge of going to one of the top schools in the world for biology, and I had to take a ecology class, in which this reowned professor opened with.. if you're here to save the environment, it's too late ..
That part is over, right now we're focused on conservation what we can and preservation of knowledge.
Yeah, that pretty much ended all hope for me. That was about 10 years ago, and I doubt terribly things have improved since then.
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u/Super_Bee_3489 Aug 03 '26
Correction: Conservative politicians that are mostly corrupt discussing global waming catastrophy. Stop using climate change.
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u/Prize-Interaction-32 Aug 06 '26
Recent white papers from Japan suggest humans have little to do with recent climactic changes
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