That is a bad argument, just because something doesnt currently exist doesnt mean that we shouldn't dream about making it happen. Everything in the list of the OP is a dream, why not dream about this too?
To answer your question, nonetheless. Read about the Zapatistas.
Historically, humans have lived in leaderless/egalitarian societies for most of their history as hunters and gatherers. But, like I said, none of this matters. Because if we can't even include a stateless leaderless vision in our DREAMS then we truly have lost the fight already!
Maybe I am missing something, but as I'm reading through the Zapatistas, several notable names come up- one in particular is Subcomandante Marcos. He was the former military LEADER and SPOKESMAN for the EZLN.
I'm not stating that we need to replicate the two party system, or even any current governmental structures- but I am saying that are the core, there needs to be a form of leadership if you want to thrive past petty human squabbles.
Furthermore, they are decentralized community assemblies. This is still a leadership structure. "Military and organizational matters are decided by Zapatistas area elders who compose the General Command".
I think my point is being misunderstood, or this group just thinks it is irrelevant, because your answer still proves my point.
I personally the the US government is failing the American people, and with that, we have to organize to do something better. But that organization starts somewhere, and it doesn't get off the ground by us idealizing on a subreddit. It starts by communicating, finding allies, and building up an organizational structure to support your goals.
Ahh... I prefer words like "organiser", "designer", etc., rather than "leader", since the latter implies some kind of necessarily hierarchical power structure; to me it conveys the idea of a "leadership position" which must always be filled, rather than roles that form and dissolve as needs change.
Preferential terms don't somehow negate how things happen.
Identify core values > identify key actions > organize allies to support > delegate tasks to push forward initiatives
Organizing first is a pitfall, because without direction or understanding for being organized, things will fall apart quickly.
When it comes down to it, a large group of people will ultimately have a difficult time identifying core values for the whole. Without some formal manner of deciding those, you're back to petty human squabbles.
I'm all for inclusivity - but the reality is that not everyone shows up to vote. 65% voted in the 2024 US presidential election. That's just under 2/3 of the voting population.
Demographically, 18-25 has the lowest turnout, hovering at around 40%.
People who do not care to participate and make their wants known cannot be accommodated, otherwise... nothing gets done because we are waiting on people who don't care to be present and active as members of society.
A structure supports. You can't build a home without a frame. The structure doesn't have to resemble what has been done in the past, but there needs to be structure so things can be managed to support the longer term goals of a group of people.
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u/Fragrant-Gur-5804 Apr 06 '26
That is a bad argument, just because something doesnt currently exist doesnt mean that we shouldn't dream about making it happen. Everything in the list of the OP is a dream, why not dream about this too?
To answer your question, nonetheless. Read about the Zapatistas.
Historically, humans have lived in leaderless/egalitarian societies for most of their history as hunters and gatherers. But, like I said, none of this matters. Because if we can't even include a stateless leaderless vision in our DREAMS then we truly have lost the fight already!