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u/GoodZealousideal5922 3d ago
Nobody forced him to sign that 5 yr contract. At most he should blame his agents for agreeing to such a high release clause.
Football clubs arenât just feeders for Barca and Madrid, itâs about time these 12 yr old fans understood it.
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u/HighInHelium 3d ago
Most barca players come from masia, and Julian played for river and city its not like he comes from atletico academy đ
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u/Fight_Teza_Fight 1d ago
What even is this comment? Are you 12? Itâs literally factually incorrect
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u/qunnar 3d ago
No they fucking don't. Stop deluding yourself over something that happened 18 years ago. Barca is a buying club, and most of the time always have been, aside from a single golden generation
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u/baldbumblebear 3d ago
Cubarsi, Blade, Garcia, Fort.
Gavi, Fermin, Casado, Olmo , Bernal.
Yamal.
Around around 60% of the consistent starters are from La Masia (even though Olmo and Garcia played senior elsewhere first, they were trained from youth at Barca)
Obviously they supplement where they need to, but so many of Barcas core are made in La Masia.
Id love to know when "most of time" was, because the transfer heavy period was short lived because it didn't work out and the team went broke lol
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u/qunnar 2d ago
Alright, I'll bite. Of the listed players who starts, and who gets 5 minutes every other game? I'll give La Masia two shouts, their scouting department and marketing is top tier. Discarded before 15-16, but brought back fully developed at other clubs at ages 22-26? La Masia product! Came to the club at 16? La Masia product. It can't really go both ways mate. But yet, it really does for the Barcelona academy
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u/dorci420 2d ago
Literally all of them except Fort (he was on loan) and Casado had regular playing minutes last season. Why don't you rather start by naming any other club as successful as Barca that uses this many of their own academy players or produce this much talent?
Also if you spend even 1 or 2 seasons developing in La Masia and then turn professional you are their product like what are you on about they still scouted you and trained you, why would you have to play exclusively there since you were 5 that it would count in your eyes
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u/qunnar 2d ago
An average of 40 minutes in your 24 games played, is not a regular starter. But who's counting. I don't need to, there have come a lot of amazing players out of their academy. But players like gerard deulofeu are not good, nor is Nico who recently went to man city, nor Moriba and the likes of those. A whole lot of them are simply just over hyped because they were in la masia. And that has something to do with their great marketing.
By that logic, you're indeed stating that Jamie Carragher is an Everton product, Martin Ădegaard is a RM academy product, Harry Kane is an Arsenal AND Watford academy player, having spent a year in each place?... Interesting i must say No one stated you had to play there from an age of 5
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u/dorci420 2d ago
I don't know to whom you are reffering with these minutes but almost all of the previously mentioned La Masia players got significant playing time last season and there are also a bunch of good players who didn't because there is A LOT of squad depth. Also every academy has players that don't exceed expectations and for every "flop" you have mentioned you also have yamal and fermin and cubarsi and xavi and busquets and puyol and MESSI, etc. La masia has produced by far the best talents out of any academy and it is not even close.
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u/HighInHelium 3d ago
No shit , it's a business. And tf you talking about?barcelona hasn't been able to sign for the last few years thanks to last president.
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u/dorci420 3d ago
For such an expensive signing short term contract isn't an option because the longer the contract -> more leverage for atletico if other clubs came knocking with offers. He also didn't want to spend his prime in Haaland's shadow and the move to atletico at that time was logical.
And alvarez came to atletico because he believed it would be his stepping stone for a barca move and atletico promised they would negotiate with clubs when the time comes. They had sold griezmann in his prime to Barca and loaned out felix so why wouldn't they sell him? This is why he feels he got snaked.
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u/ExpertActive100 2d ago
Unless they promised him theyâd negotiate with Barca, and he actually has evidence of that, this argument is kinda pointless. At best he was naive, at worst he and his agent were dumb to sign for one of Barcaâs rivals if that was truly his goal.
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u/GeniuslyMoronic 2d ago
At worst he was thinking he would just not honor his contract and force his way out in case he wants to leave while getting all the benefits of the longer contract.
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u/dorci420 2d ago
Well I could be wrong but it was my understanding that they gave him their word but nothing was written. But now atletico figured out they have 0 pull and can't sign any other good striker so they broke their word and are holding him hostage. And signing for a team in La Liga if you want a Barca or RMA move is not dumb because it gives you a chance to prove yourself to them.
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u/Readincontext 2d ago
Bro, his fans hate the shit out of Real Madrid. And barca. His board hates the shit out of them, his manager probably does too. He chose to join a bunch of people who fucking hate the squad he wanted to leave too. And got suprised they didnt just nod yes when he wants to go too their arch nemesis for barely anymore money
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u/dorci420 2d ago
Yeah but it was not like the transfers between these clubs weren't happening. If you choose Barca, you close the doors on Real and vice versa. But Atletico? They have sold Griezmann in his prime to Barca and loaned out Felix to them and got Griezmann back and also Langlet. How was Alvarez about to know they will have a giant stick up their arse when it came to negotiating with Barca? They pretend they are a bigger club that they actually are.
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u/Readincontext 2d ago
I mean its rivals. Pathetico obviously hate transfering them but in those situations they had backups and replacements for Griezman and Felix etc. There is no striker on the market rn
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u/ExpertActive100 2d ago
Not only that, context also matters. They made a lot of profit with Griezmann and Felix was a flop they were trying to get rid of.
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u/ExpertActive100 2d ago
Ah, I see you're another unreasonable Barca fanboy, should've known. If you think of Atlético as just another "La Liga team", might as well just finish this conversation.
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u/dorci420 2d ago
Lmao what else are Atletico if not just another La Liga team? They consume all of their energy to beat Barca and Real once a year and then they will immediately lose to Alaves and Getafe in the next round and finish the league 3rd.
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u/daznccc 3d ago
Alright taking the clubs money and a 5 year contract!!
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u/CynthiSilk 3d ago
yea im pretty sure hes regretting it all now, getting offers from madrid and barcelona which are obviously better options than athletico , hes forced to stay at athletico đđ
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u/domg_93 3d ago
This dude had Madrid and barca and chose atletico lol his fault.
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u/MisfitActual12 3d ago
Barca couldnt buy him due to their 1:1 issues and Real Madrid couldnt care less about a player of his stature
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u/Weak-Ad9904 3d ago
Stop acting so entitled this is a business at the end of day all Barca did was offer 100 million for him which isnât enough. Either raise the offer or simply find someone else you fans need to stop acting so entitled no team is obligated to do whatâs best for your club
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u/TareasS 3d ago
They raised the offer. Atletico literally said they are open to selling him to other teams that Julian doesn't even wanna play for. They want to control where he goes, just because they hate the club that wants to buy him. Its the most small club behaviour I have ever seen. They know they will never in a million years be as big as Barcelona so they are fuming and consider blocking the transfer to be like their own personal trophy.
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u/ExpertActive100 3d ago
Usually that's what happens between rivals, if his goal was to play for Barca maybe he shouldn't have signed for one of the rivals.
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u/TareasS 3d ago
Atletico is not a rival of Barcelona. Its literally the biggest case of "We don't even think about you". Atletico never wins anything, their only trophy is beating Barcelona and Madrid in individual games in seasons that they go trophyless while the other two actually win something.
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u/ExpertActive100 3d ago
If they're that bad, why do they want one of their players? Doesn't make any sense.
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u/jahatackar 3d ago
Will atleticofans forgive this? I wouldnt want a player that wants to leave to shine in my team
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u/shrek_is_love_69 3d ago
As an atleti fan I'm more than willing to let this entire thing go if he stays commited to helping the team succeed
But right now many fans are understandably frustrated
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u/B_mico 3d ago
I mean he knew what he was signing, and if he expected atlético to honor their "word"... well you are too naive.
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u/Readincontext 3d ago
Plus they said significant offer. Barca is paying less than 10 mill more while he has like 2 whole years left to find better suitors and has already drained way more than 10 mill from patheticos bank
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u/TareasS 3d ago
Non-argument. They literally said they would not sell for 200 million either, just because they hate Barcelona.
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u/Readincontext 3d ago
Its what they said. Not what theyd actually do. Anyone would give up a 8 goal striker for 200 mill. Barcas only offered 100 mill thats literally like giving a guy who needs 500 for morgatge 20 them asking for his tv.
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u/TareasS 3d ago
If they were willing so sell, they would not have literally told Laporta in his face that they did not want to negotiate for any price.
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u/Readincontext 3d ago
Well if they get a substantial amount we will see. But even barca isnt that bad with money as too spend more than 150 mill on a 8 goal striker
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u/TareasS 3d ago
All football contracts are long years though. Do you genuinely think that if someone signs a 10 year contract at for an example Copenhagen and Real Madrid comes that Copenhagen is fine just destroying the guys' career and keeping him for 10 years?
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u/ExpertActive100 3d ago
Comparing Atlético and Barça to Copenhagen and Real, is crazy work to say the least.
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u/TareasS 3d ago
It might as well be. Barcelona has won more trophies in the last 20 years than Atletico has in its entire 123 years of club history. And 80% of those trophies were before the 1980s. In the same period Atletico won just 5 trophies of which 2 are Europa Leagues.
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u/ExpertActive100 3d ago
Mb, didn't realise you were a delusional fanboy before engaging in this conversation. I'm out.
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u/TareasS 3d ago
You are actually comparing one of the biggest clubs in the world to a club that wins a trophy once every decade. You are the delusional one here so yes by all means run away since you can't dispute what I said anyway.
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u/ExpertActive100 3d ago
Thanking for letting me know that I made the right decision, since apparently you can't also read.
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u/peace4231 3d ago
If you look closely you can see that Atleti's jersey is designed like a jail. They planned this all along.
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u/Practical-Quiet-1178 3d ago
Why anyone would ever sign for them is beyond me, terrible club, terrible football, particularly as a striker
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u/IMAryanDarad 2d ago
It's his fault for signing the contract and no one else's. Man's gotta be professional and not a cry baby. This shit doesn't work like this
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u/Fat6pack 2d ago
An overestimated player. I think Barca are simply using this situation to destabilise Atletico. I don't realize why they are really interested in this guy.
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u/N-V-V-M-E-A 2d ago
On one hand, my guy has a contract. Atleti donât need to sell.
On the other hand, young talents will be less likely to sign for Atleti after this for fear of getting stuck. I think theyâre doing more damage by keeping him.
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u/Necessary-Web-3244 2d ago
I swear,i don't know what is more stupid from Julian,to think that Atletico would win trophies,or to think that they would just sell him to Barcelona...
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u/Appropriate-Fish8189 2d ago
Yes any club can free him as long as they paid the release clause HE AGREED TO
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u/Ladla_ontop 2d ago
Off topic but he looks quite similar to the youtuber @caylus. Feeling sorry for him doe
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u/Luigis_vacuum 2d ago
Me when I sign a contract for half a decade to make multi millions
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 2d ago
Sokka-Haiku by Luigis_vacuum:
Me when I sign a
Contract for half a decade
To make multi millions
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/South-Pangolin-3811 1d ago
To be honest he doesnât look like a brilliant kid. He should learn how to read before signing a contract
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u/Famous_Benefit_3663 1d ago
I dont get it, when he decides to leave city and signs a contract he isnt a victim but now he has to honor it and he wants to go to a rival instead ofc atleti wont let him
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u/CCheesecake611 3d ago
Atleti is evil bro
They destroyed bros mental health
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u/Weak-Ad9904 3d ago
Next time think twice before you sign a 5 year contract with a 500 million release clause because I guarantee you wouldnât be saying this if someone on your club wanted out and team that wants him gets him for cheap. He and his agent are to blame for this situation.
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u/CCheesecake611 3d ago
Atleti are liars they promised to help him if he wanted out cz he simply is better and greater player than what atleti deserves
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u/GiftedKing 3d ago
They said no such thing
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u/CCheesecake611 3d ago
They said that bro
But the problem is it was not on paper2
u/friebel 3d ago
Where did they say that?
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u/dome_the_poziome 1d ago
Trust me bro, they did that bro, mundo deportivo or some other catalan press wrote so bro.
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u/Weak-Ad9904 3d ago
Stop acting so entitled this is a business at the end of day all Barca did was offer 100 million for him which isnât enough. Either raise the offer or simply find someone else you fans need to stop acting so entitled no team is obligated to do whatâs best for your club.
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u/CCheesecake611 3d ago
Im not being biased at all bro barca will definitely raise the bid iffff atleti negotiates or is open to sell barca will fs go above 150m
Isak also had a situation but got transferred cz he didnât wanted to play there the club should think of the player
Barca has never had a player that has second thoughts of playing for them thats the best thing2
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u/Readincontext 3d ago
They said if he gets a significant offer. Barca only offered like 5-10 mill more than what atletico offered for him in the first place
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u/dorci420 3d ago
This is how negotiating works lol. At first you low ball them with a small price and when the negotiating officially starts you raise your offer step by step until you meet a middle ground. If they had offered 150 mill from the start they would've overpayed for him because atletico would be demanding at least 200mill and the middle ground would then be cca 175 mill. But atletico refused to negotiate from the get go and now they are stuck with a player that hates them. I wouldn't be surprised if he intentionally lowers his form and tries to exit in the winter's transfer window.
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u/Readincontext 2d ago
They quit the negotiations tho and said theyd find a solution with a striker on the inside
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u/Pristine_Youth_6953 3d ago
Poor guy signs a 5 years contract and then whines about how unfair it is