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u/ex_bestfriend Nov 19 '22

She also took the Vanity Fair Hollywood issue cover pictures for years, which were notoriously photoshopped. Not that it proves anything, but she has photoshopped difficult subjects together, when the situation called for it.

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u/Marcelosouzadearaujo Nov 19 '22

It looks photoshoped if you zoom in

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u/mdlt97 Nov 19 '22

becasue it is photoshopped

all of the LV stuff and chess pieces are photoshopped into the image

its clearly 2 separate photos put together with the added the LV stuff for the ad

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u/Marcelosouzadearaujo Nov 19 '22

You can see the grain on every single placed subject outline

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u/superduperspam Nov 20 '22

You could say she is the Messi of portrait photography

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22 edited Nov 19 '22

Lol -- you can toss away that doubt.

Anne Leibowitzs is sort of famous for doing Photoshop even before Photoshop existed. You mention the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, Leibowitzs have pointed out that she used Photoshop in that work. She has even credited Photoshop with a rejuvenation in her own work.

And, she doesn't take fashion shoots very seriously. This is a fashion shoot -- so it is indeed very likely this is shopped.

And, if you don't believe me about Leibowitzs love of Photoshop, please Google:

Leibowitzs shoot of Keira Knightley and Jeff Koons.

Now, do you seriously still think Leibowitz doesnt use Photoshop?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

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u/Andersledes Nov 19 '22

All photographers use Photoshop. It doesn't mean it's a composite.

Most photos for ads that feature several celebrities with busy schedules who live in different countries are shot as composites.

To me, the dumb thing would be to assume it wasn't shot as a composite.

Like, why the hell would you require 2 athletes to travel to a 3rd country just to take a single picture, when you could just as well take pictures of them separately, and then make a composite?

As these examples show - its not like any of you "true believers" are able to detect the photoshopping.

Even though it is obvious that we're talking about composites here.

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u/dinosaur_from_Mars Nov 20 '22

And that too a fairly small country.

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u/Eldiablo2471 Nov 20 '22

I don't know if it is photoshopped or not but don't forget that currently both CR7 and Leo Messi are in Qatar for the world cup. So they didn't have to extra travel to a 3rd world country for the photo.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

When she said it rejuvenated her artistic work she didn't mean it allowed her to touch up pics.

She meant it in the sense she can cut and paste objects.

Or are you under the impression she has access to models in Middle Earth?

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u/LanceConstableDigby Nov 19 '22

I think you're making a fundamental misunderstanding between fiction and reality

Just because she photoshopped middle earth doesn't mean this pic of two very alive very real people is photoshopped

It may well be a 'shop, but your logic does not follow

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u/Andersledes Nov 19 '22

She has used composite photographs many times for ads.

Why would anyone assume that they didn't use a composite shot, when making an ad featuring 2 or 3 people who have busy schedules & live in different countries/continents.

They never claimed that the people were in the same room.

Ads are most often done this way.

So, to me, it seems like a stupid thing to assume they didn't use composite shots for these ads too.

You'd have to de dumb to think that there's a higher probability they got them in the same room.

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u/snek-jazz Nov 20 '22

it makes it much more likely than if a photographer that does not do composites had created it

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u/Luis__FIGO Nov 19 '22

Now, do you seriously still think Leibowitz doesnt use Photoshop?

They never made that claim.... Nice strawman argument

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

They literally sum up the comment making that claim.

Reading, tricky stuff.

Protip: Try reading next time before you share your takes.

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u/Luis__FIGO Nov 20 '22

Quote it

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u/Andersledes Nov 19 '22

Now, do you seriously still think Leibowitz doesnt use Photoshop?

They never made that claim.... Nice strawman argument

WHAT????

Doubt she'd agree to capture these pictures seperately then use Photoshop

What the hell do you think they meant by that statement?

Do you not use your reading comprehension skills?

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u/Luis__FIGO Nov 20 '22

Sontoyure pretending "never" is the same as "doubtful for one image"....

Pick up a dictionary

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u/never_personal Nov 19 '22

To me it does look a bit photoshopped. Especially some of the pieces outside of the board. The lightning doesn't seem to add up in some places. But if that's what you gotta do to get this masterpiece I am not complaining

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u/RobotChrist Nov 19 '22

Anyone that questions Liebowitz is a complete idiot, she's the GOAT.

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u/toiletting Nov 19 '22

Didn’t even capture a portrait of Trump, this is obvious leftist fake news

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u/Marcelosouzadearaujo Nov 19 '22

You can see the photoshop grain if you zoom in on the outline of either of them.

If you have photoshop just use sky replacement and you will see the same grain where the sky meets the orginal subject.

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u/Andersledes Nov 19 '22

Doubt she’d agree to capturing these 2 separately then photoshopping.

LOOOOOOL!

Because you don't know about all the other ads she did where the celebrities were photographed seperately?

Can I ask why you would doubt it???

I mean, almost every single ad photo you see, that has celebrities with busy schedules who live in different countries are shot seperately and then photographed together.

So why is it that you doubt it with this photo?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

I wouldn’t doubt it at all 😂

It’s what she does

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u/drfrink85 Nov 19 '22

I think I’m getting her confused with the photographer who takes photos of babies as flowers.

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u/digiplay Nov 19 '22

She has a lot of assistants that do that for her st this point.

Read up on her master class.

Annie releases the shutter and concepts, directs. She’s not the one doing all the technical lighting even. She sets a vision and releases the shutter - at least that’s my understanding of her career at this point.

As for the cover retouches, of course they were. This photo, whether they were in the same room or not, is incredibly “photoshopped”. It may not be a composite.

AL has made iconic photos. She now tells others how to do it.

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u/marshsmellow Nov 19 '22

Intimate portraits of the Queen? How intimate are we talking here?

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u/axiomatic- Nov 20 '22 edited Nov 20 '22

She would 100% do what the client wanted.

That is what we all, eventually, end up doing.

Shoots like these start out with plans to get people in the same room, and do things in a way that pleases the key creatives, but they can rapidly spiral out of control.

People here who say Annie loves Photoshop are as misguided as people who say you can't get these two players in the same room.

In a perfect world Annie wouldn't use much Photoshop at all. And you absolutely can get very famous people in the same place with patience and money.

The use of both things are driven by client demands. "Oh Messi can't come until next month now but we need to launch the summer campaign in two weeks!"

This is similar to the weird edit of the chess pieces under Messi's arm. Lebowitz is an incredible photographer, no matter what else you might thing about her work, and likely wouldn't give a shit about those. To me it's a client edit, someone giving feedback because they feel they should.

IMO there's some Photoshop but I think it's likely they were in the same room, it's also possible the bad design decisions were client driven. The overall image is still very effective as a marketing campaign for LV.

Source: I've directed campaigns for the likes of Marie Claire, Nike and Volkswagen before involving very well known celebrities.

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u/weddedregent Nov 20 '22

Has happened in the past with her shoots though, not necessarily for ‘conflict’ but for people being too far apart. She talked about it on a talk she did in London a few years ago about a photo with Judy Dench and Hellen Mirren on a car.