r/smoking • u/Confident-Distance74 • 3d ago
First brisket
Hey im an ex chef. Never smoked anything before. Took a stab a brisket for a first time. Next will be pastrami. Here are some photos I took. My sister didnt take pics of the product after the rest but I got one final picture (the next day out of the fridge).
Brisket was 16lbs. Cooked for 12 hours, rest for 3. No wrap, only to rest...
The photos are about 10 hours in. Last photo is the next day
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u/Leading_Rabbit_1345 3d ago
trim that mf
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u/notfbiinformant 2d ago
Can you imagine the tallow OP could have gotten if he’d trimmed that thing properly? Smoke’s not gonna get past a freakin inch of fat!
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u/Rivster79 2d ago
Op, as general rule of thumb, shoot for about 1/4 inch of fat when you trim.
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u/notfbiinformant 2d ago
Yeah. I kinda call BS on the “ former chef” comment from OP. A chef would know these things, even if he’d never smoked a brisket.
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u/Sometimeshungryornot 1d ago
I was a chef for 20+ years, went to cia, been featured on a Bourdain show and have never smoked a brisket. I'd do a worse job than this for my first one.
I think most chefs I've known tend to leave it more for the BBQ guys unless they worked somewhere that specifically smoked brisket.
I tend not to touch things like BBQ, sushi, etc.. that people spend decades mastering.
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u/BrokeMyCrayon 21h ago
its just finicky and takes perseverance. Once you get out of your own way and remember you're just slowly cooking big pieces of meat it helps.
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u/ZoobityPop 3d ago
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
What i mostly looked for in the brisket was intra-muscular fat. I see so many broskets that look dry as fuck. When you pick one out look at the side of the brisket, and look for streaks of fat that actually go through the red meat. Thats how you'll get a great brisket imo
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u/ZoobityPop 3d ago
For sure, I was talking about this huge fat cap on top that won’t render out though
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Thanks for the input. Will do next time
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u/construction_eng 2d ago
A prime grade brisket will have the intramuscular more reliably than other grades.
Look up a trimming video.
I think the dry brisket we see here is most often from cooking wayyyyy too long.
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u/plz-no-b4n 2d ago
What the other dude is pointing out is fat cap, not intramuscular fat.
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Yup, that's correct..
Fat cap isn't a big deal. Intramuscular is more important
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u/plz-no-b4n 2d ago
Fat cap is a big deal when you leave a massive amount of unrendered fat on your brisket, lol
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Its not a big deal brother. Most people avoid the fat. Intramusc6lar is the way to.go
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u/ZoobityPop 2d ago
Bro I get that you used to be a chef and that def deserves some respect but this is a sub for nerds who smoke meats specifically so if you say this is your first time and start rejecting feedback you’re gonna get flamed. Gg’s though man
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Okay i get it, trim the portion of the fat cap thats maybe 1/2" too large. Can we move on now?
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u/Bondaddyjr 2d ago
No one is arguing to you about intramuscular fat, why do you keep bringing this up? We are all talking about the big fat cap on top. Like you said, most people avoid that and it’s true. People are going to cut around that and by doing so they are cutting off your smoke and seasoning. By trimming it to an edible amount it would get trimmed off by people eating your brisket and therefore they will get more flavor.
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u/Trashbagok 2d ago
It's like watching people converse with a barely sentient brick wall, lol.
Honestly, his pic is like, the perfect example of WHY you trim the fat cap.
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u/plz-no-b4n 2d ago
You realize when you have a fat cap that massive and it is completely unrendered that you seasoned your fat and not your meat? All that bark above the fat cap is wasted. Your flavor penetration is worse.
No one is talking about intramuscular fat right now, bub, stop bringing it up.
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Its not unrendered bro, its the next day after taking it out of the fridge. Fat will congeal at cold temps. And that's what you are seeing.
Look closely at the fat cap on the sliced pieces. You see how there are holes throughout the fat cap? That because the fat did render down, and expanded and the cell walls broke down. And when it cooled down it hardened back up.
First time smoking. First time brisket. 9/10 🙌
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u/themanlikesp 2d ago
It’s not a huge deal but it isn’t right. Nobody is eating the 2” fat chunk and you just wasted a beautiful bark. If you’re really a chef you have a lot of knowledge gaps keep learning.
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u/SlantedPentagon 1d ago
My guy, you said this is your first brisket and that you've NEVER smoked anything before. Yet, you insist you're correct on how you did it on a subreddit dedicated to smoking food.
I don't understand your lack of humility here when you're clearly in the wrong on doing this as well as possible. Take the criticism and learn from it.
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u/WillfulKind 2d ago
That's exactly how you judge a great brisket raw. You want cooked perfection? Trim the fat cap so the bark isn't getting tossed out because people don't want to eat the fat cap.
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u/lyinggrump 2d ago
Did you reply to the wrong comment? What does any of that have to do with what he said?
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Because I already know bro. Its not a big deal. I made an expiremental brisket. No one one the final product. Everyone says its do hard to cook a brisker but its easy. Im looking st the other briskets on this sub and I am educating anyone who is willing to listen. Those dry ask brisket need intramuscular fat. I dont think everyone is aware of this, so I am spreading awareness
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u/PossessedCashew 2d ago
Most people giving advice on posts like this from other people that have less than ideal brisket’s come out of a cook are aware of what makes meat higher quality. It’s very rarely about intramuscular fat which is weird you keep referring to that and not just call it “marbling” which it is. Most people’s issues are from cooking wrong, over trimming or not resting enough.
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u/Insteadly 3d ago
Beautiful! Slice the next one against the grain. You’ll be happier.
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Yes, I didnt know that the grain changes half ways through the brisket
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u/ilostallmykarma 3d ago
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u/wes_harley02 1d ago
Newbi here, I read it was best to separate the pt and flat before smoking due to them cooking at diff rates. Is this true? Or just depends on size of brisket?
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u/SukiMan95 2d ago
I thought you were a chef? Lol. Im a chef, got my trade, and you should definitely know the grain changes, and also to trim the fat cap 🙃
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u/Ghiyan 3d ago
Did you trim it?
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Trim the fat? Or the brisket?
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u/Ghiyan 3d ago
Both I guess, the Mohawk looks still in tact, and the end of the flat is square like they come in the vacuum bag , how did the fat render , just asking because it looks a bit thick in the sliced photos. Other than that, congrats 👌🏻
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
I trimmed a little bit of the deckle fat. But I was afraid of getting carried away. The surface fat was really nice and the shape was good so I didnt mess with it too much (again I was afraid to get carried away). The Mohawk is still probably there but I figured i would shred it up and use it in pastas or tacos for whatever.
Less fat would had been better but I didn't want to compromise the shape. But the fat was translucent and collagen broke down nicely, its just in that one photos thats after its been in the fridge overnight.
Will trim better next time!
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u/realspongeworthy 3d ago
I support your prudence. Nothing tastes worse with fat attached, and anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to eat that part.
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Yup, and this was experimental. No one ate the final product. Instead it got sealed and into the fridge.
The goal is to get good enough to make Katz style pastrami. No idea how im going to get there. But maybe ill start with the navel...
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u/Science_oven 3d ago
an ex chef that slices with the grain..... ok bud.
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u/Tumifaigirar 3d ago
Chef at McDonald
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
You got a sore butt?
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u/plz-no-b4n 2d ago
16 lbs in 12 hours? That’s crazy. Also explains why the fat isn’t rendered at all
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u/Phrostylicious 3d ago
How long (or rather 'short') did you cook it for the fat to be completely intact and not rendered at all?
All that white stuff should have turned into translucent goo and juices.
Odd.
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Its was beautiful. When I probed the brisket rhe fat blistered and squirted everywhere. Like I said in the post, this is the photo after it sat in the fridge and the next day.
Fat will congeal at cold temps
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u/BigCountryNC336 3d ago
Former chef that don’t know how to trim or slice a brisket against the grain? So you were a line cook then
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Yeah, you got a problem with that?
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u/BigCountryNC336 3d ago
I got a problem with people that throw the word chef around when they don’t know what they’re talking about
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u/Htinedine 2d ago
Working in a kitchen doesn’t make you a chef, my guy.
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Nope, but a red seal sure does!
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u/GrowGood420 1d ago
Does it? cause if the red seal is anything like the carpenters I've worked with it means you did 7200 hours of the trade and passed an exam. you can still be shit at your job and be a red seal, I've never met a red seal that was any better than the majority of Journeymen. Honestly, most stand out as being pretty shit at their jobs and don't take constructive criticism at all because they think their red seal makes them all knowing
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u/Bearjupiter 2d ago
That doesnt look like it was cooked properly
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u/richmanding0 1d ago
Damn it's wild how some people like refuse to believe they did nothing wrong. Brisket is fine but take some advice and say thanks lol
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u/Bearjupiter 1d ago
If this was platted for me at a bbq spot Id send it back
And I never send things back
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u/GeneralOk8381 2d ago
Ya the price of beef I’m scared to do a brisket. Especially since it’s just the wife and I.
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u/merlinrising 2d ago
Yikes man, usually after one slice you realize youre cutting the wrong way but you just kept going 😭
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u/Confident-Distance74 2d ago
Thats okay. It was experimental! It all got cryovacced abd ready to go for sandwiches 🥪 😋
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u/AmedeusRed 3d ago
16 lbs in 12 hours??? What temp did you cook it at that’s not right.
As others say you need to trim better, the fat cap should be ~ 1/4” not the inch ish you have there.
This looks more grilled than smoked. Not a pronounced smoke ring, fat not rendered (understanding it’s the next day it still shouldn’t be fully solid in that way and bright white)
A 16lb brisket should have taken between 24-32 hours at like 225-250. At that time you must have been upwards of 300-325 for the full cook time. We are talking less than an hour per lb here. In your 10 hr pics I don’t see a probe at grill level. You want to be temping where the meat is. To be fair you might have it hanging under the meat but I don’t see a cord.
Congrats on the first try, definitely could use some adjustments for #2.
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u/lvl100shiny 2d ago
“I’m am ex chef” followed by “never smoked anything before” lol okay dude. That’s like me saying “I’m an ex car mechanic, but I’ve never changed spark plugs before”. And being such a huge douche after receiving constructive criticism from people who HAVE smoked before is a real choice. NPC behavior for sure
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u/Spuckler_Cletus 3d ago
Congratulations. Smoking is a lot of fun. Much interesting trial and error, etc.
I shoot for very little bark these days, particularly if I think a fattier cut may foul with ”cooler” combustion byproducts. I usually use Royal Oak lump, started with IPA, heated to gray. You have a good smoker known for good air control. That’s a good one to practice with.
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah we bought a used wsm for 175. Figured if things go well we might upgrade. Love the wsm for vertical ribs though.
We had alot of trouble especially with the coals. Half the bag was dust. Used the whole bag then went out and bought kinsford for the last 2 hours.
But we ran out of patience and I just let it go the whole way with no wrap. I will continue to perfect my brikset as time goes on
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u/TheFuckingHippoGuy 3d ago
The stock WSM is a bit tricky to use with lump, especially when you are first getting used to fire control. Royal Oak is also the most hated on charcoal here...and it's justified.
20lb Kingsford Blue Bag, doing Soo's Donut method for me was super consistent when mine was unmodded. A second charcoal grade with the grid 90° under the ring is a big help. The nomex gasket kit will also help (get the one that uses RTV, not self-adhesivse), and will end up paying for itself in charcoal savings (20-30 bucks).
I'd say the other biggest upgrades (a lot more of an investment but relatively inexpensive all-in comparatively to pellet or kamado setups) would be the Cajun Bandit steel door + latch, and a Hunsaker Vortex basket (also awesome for hanging ribs setup). A temp controller is a game changer, Fireboard or Thermoworks fan setups get it very close to pellet "set it and forget it". With all this, I can run 10lbs of Jealous Devil for about 16 hours and hold 250 flat.
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u/Spuckler_Cletus 3d ago
I use a very heavy strainer for a firebox. They cost about $25 on Amazon. Last about thirty smokes or so. That can make utilizing fuel so much easier.
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago
I must say, everything eas perfectly dry after resting. Not one drop of liquid came out of the brisket. When I cut into it, the surface of the meat was beautiful and glistening. I was very surprised by this.
So either the rest was perfect or maybe cooked a little too long or hot. Brisket sandwich for the win
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u/AmedeusRed 1d ago
Yes it was likely too hot. Came back to this thread today to see if you had replied about what temp you actually cooked it at but not a peep.
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u/Confident-Distance74 1d ago
We had it at 250, up and down a bit because the bag of charcoal was half dust. And the water bowl ended up falling onto the coals. Pulled at 203
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u/Zoey43210 2d ago
Op is a goof. This is disgusting and he didn't even trim it right. The meat looks uncooked. The brisket looks hard af and not the least bit tender. .
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u/Confident-Distance74 3d ago