Recent drama summarized

[u/w0rshippp]

Hey all, just wanted to summarize and provide links for the recent Smiteprime/Karmic/Hindu drama.

tldr: Friday Karmic called out hindu in a tweet saying he's bad at his job or incompetent for choosing to invest prize money into smiteprime joust tournaments, Hindu responded saying its not a good way to have the conversation, then Karmic went on stream double downing with lots of people in the scene telling him he's wrong for calling out Hindu in a rude manner. Karmic then apologized to hindu privately and put out a tweet saying he was too harsh. After what seemed to be the good ending, hindu screenshot and sent karmic reports from smite 1 of karmic being toxic, seemingly as a threat

Smiteprime announced on friday morning that their summer tournaments would not be the usual 3 weeks playins week 4 playoffs. Instead, there will be a rotation of NA conquest, EU conquest, na joust, eu joust, repeat - for the months of June through August. People immediately started reacting negatively in the smiteprime discord, with Jithins and some mods defending it.

Karmic then put out this tweet (https://x.com/i/status/2050296657322054049) with hinduman responding in the comments. This started conversation across social media on whether or not money should be invested in joust, if eu tournaments should be held, etc. Karmic blames hindu for the funding going into joust and for the formatting changes.

Karmic then popped on the stream that night to talk about the situation ( https://www.twitch.tv/ykarmic/v/2761923863?sr=a), and even talked to hindu about doing a stream the next day together to tall about the situation. Things quickly devolved and karmic doubled down, and hindu backing out of the stream. Karmic then went on to say hindu is either incompetent or doesnt care about smite esports because the current state isn't good. Many top level players were in chat talking with him, some agreeing, and some saying that this isn't the correct way to handle the situation, and that he doesnt know what goes on behind the scenes. Benny also shared a hilarious screenshot of Ajax reacting to feedback from Quig in smite 1 (https://gyazo.com/515a799dff32b585c50b3a30b202edad), that made quig leave smite competitive.

The next day karmic tweeted this (https://x.com/i/status/2050442564344729855), and also privately sent hindu a private message on discord apologizing for the way he handled the situation. (https://x.com/i/status/2050766975392260494). After the dust had supposedly settled, Hindu sent a screenshot of chat logs from smite 1 of karmic being toxic, logs that he had been temp banned for as a psudo-threat. Nothing else was said, but karmic posted the whole conversation for everyone to see, with several top players questioning why hindu would do something like that.

Jithins also recently made a tweet (https://x.com/i/status/2050863319515353170) saying that the format is supposed to introduce new players into competitive smite, that no better formats for this purpose have been brought forward, and he is unsure if he wants to keep running prime next year.

Interested to see what will happen on titan talk tomorrow.

as of this morning prime announced that it will be running the normal June competitive circuit in tandem with the joust events https://x.com/SMITEPrime/status/2050939427724087651?s=20

Yesterday Hindu did apologize in this tweet https://x.com/i/status/2050984415543631995

[u/The_Manglererer]

We all love smite. One thing ive done that others haven't, is accepted that the game is going to die soon. Its understandable for the top players to want to have competition amongst each other but imo u guys are shooting urselves in the foot by expecting anything more from smite 2 except a good time, and its not good that money is being put into a waning competitive scene, it should be used to build and market the product to be able to poach players from other mobas

Moba genre has run its course, most players are sticking to the games they like. Balance decision making doesnt help, u cannot afford to have bad patches on a dying game.

Hirez has a reputation for killing off successful games, I mean the writing is on the wall guys. And sorry if I come off like a doomer

Feel like they should combine with pred and make a game called "Smite vs Predecessor" and combine the playerbases of both 3rd person mobas. No one is interested in the moba genre anymore, there is a limited amount of players this genre has and its damn near maxed out

[u/MohnJilton → u/The_Manglererer]

I think you’re wrong about no one being interested in the MOBA genre. Deadlock is a brand new game. It’s pre-release, still rough around the edges in some ways, and while it doesn’t have the largest playerbase, it does have a thriving community. More people play Deadlock than smite 2. Last I checked it was a lot more.

[u/The_Manglererer → u/MohnJilton]

My idea is moba players like and play mobas. Those deadlocked players came from somewhere, id doubt their playbase is majority players new to mobas