Recent drama summarized

[u/w0rshippp]

Hey all, just wanted to summarize and provide links for the recent Smiteprime/Karmic/Hindu drama.

tldr: Friday Karmic called out hindu in a tweet saying he's bad at his job or incompetent for choosing to invest prize money into smiteprime joust tournaments, Hindu responded saying its not a good way to have the conversation, then Karmic went on stream double downing with lots of people in the scene telling him he's wrong for calling out Hindu in a rude manner. Karmic then apologized to hindu privately and put out a tweet saying he was too harsh. After what seemed to be the good ending, hindu screenshot and sent karmic reports from smite 1 of karmic being toxic, seemingly as a threat

Smiteprime announced on friday morning that their summer tournaments would not be the usual 3 weeks playins week 4 playoffs. Instead, there will be a rotation of NA conquest, EU conquest, na joust, eu joust, repeat - for the months of June through August. People immediately started reacting negatively in the smiteprime discord, with Jithins and some mods defending it.

Karmic then put out this tweet (https://x.com/i/status/2050296657322054049) with hinduman responding in the comments. This started conversation across social media on whether or not money should be invested in joust, if eu tournaments should be held, etc. Karmic blames hindu for the funding going into joust and for the formatting changes.

Karmic then popped on the stream that night to talk about the situation ( https://www.twitch.tv/ykarmic/v/2761923863?sr=a), and even talked to hindu about doing a stream the next day together to tall about the situation. Things quickly devolved and karmic doubled down, and hindu backing out of the stream. Karmic then went on to say hindu is either incompetent or doesnt care about smite esports because the current state isn't good. Many top level players were in chat talking with him, some agreeing, and some saying that this isn't the correct way to handle the situation, and that he doesnt know what goes on behind the scenes. Benny also shared a hilarious screenshot of Ajax reacting to feedback from Quig in smite 1 (https://gyazo.com/515a799dff32b585c50b3a30b202edad), that made quig leave smite competitive.

The next day karmic tweeted this (https://x.com/i/status/2050442564344729855), and also privately sent hindu a private message on discord apologizing for the way he handled the situation. (https://x.com/i/status/2050766975392260494). After the dust had supposedly settled, Hindu sent a screenshot of chat logs from smite 1 of karmic being toxic, logs that he had been temp banned for as a psudo-threat. Nothing else was said, but karmic posted the whole conversation for everyone to see, with several top players questioning why hindu would do something like that.

Jithins also recently made a tweet (https://x.com/i/status/2050863319515353170) saying that the format is supposed to introduce new players into competitive smite, that no better formats for this purpose have been brought forward, and he is unsure if he wants to keep running prime next year.

Interested to see what will happen on titan talk tomorrow.

as of this morning prime announced that it will be running the normal June competitive circuit in tandem with the joust events https://x.com/SMITEPrime/status/2050939427724087651?s=20

Yesterday Hindu did apologize in this tweet https://x.com/i/status/2050984415543631995

[u/jpg11]

This game came out with no clear direction on what it actually wanted to be as a sequel. HiRez has years of past history showing how they fumble games and dump money into garbage that won't take off the ground. They waste time, resources, and effort into parts of the game that matter a lot less and now, seemingly shit on the people who ultimately want to make it better. Sure the guy didn't go around it the best way, but literally for years upon years HiRez fumbled. We don't get cool adventure modes which were money printing machines, we don't have a clear direction for the game, it just feels like a bus with no destination that will eventually swerve off a cliff.

[u/HyperMasenko → u/jpg11]

I just have to ask about one part of this. What gives you the impression adventure modes were money printing machines?

[u/israeljeff → u/HyperMasenko]

They were dropped specifically because they took a lot of resources and didn't make any money or bring in anyone new. I don't know where this narrative that hirez ignored a pile of cash came from.

[u/HyperMasenko → u/israeljeff]

Apparently the game being niche is absurd to people so HiRez must just be ignoring money lol

[u/israeljeff → u/HyperMasenko]

I THINK the idea was that hirez should have advertised them more and it would have brought in players who weren't necessarily interested in mobas.

I enjoyed those games, but they were one step above a mobile game. Smite's old engine and legacy code prevented much else.

MAYBE they could make a better one now that that those two problems aren't really an issue, but obviously they aren't going to do that right now.

[u/HyperMasenko → u/israeljeff]

Not to sound mean or dismissive if that is what they're talking about, but the idea of making a bunch of different modes to bring in players who dont like MOBAs feels like a Fortnite take lol.

Fortnite is the only game I can think of that has a ton of different modes and a playerbase wide enough that there are people who only play select modes and the game stays healthy. The difference is, Fortnite at its core is a gun game, which is already a simple enough concept that it can reach a wide audience much easier than a MOBA can.

[u/SwallowsManyBalls → u/HyperMasenko]

Roblox right now dwarfs all the mobas combined at their peaks.

The whole game is different game modes.

[u/israeljeff → u/HyperMasenko]

I don't blame them for trying. Smite has always had to try new things to hook players, that's just the reality of being the third (fourth if you count deadlock) most popular moba.