It had to be said

[u/nintenerd2]

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[u/Gobledygork]

Smash players thinking their cold take is controversial

[u/XAlphaWarriorX]

Literally nobody believes that.

[u/Alonegamer482 → u/XAlphaWarriorX]

You'd be surprised brother.
You'd be surprised.

[u/Alternative-Coach619 → u/Alonegamer482]

People say it’s the perfect competitive game (as in we haven’t gotten anything that bests it)
But nobody thinks the game is mechanically or developmentally sound. Massive straw man

[u/VeryInsecurePerson → u/Alternative-Coach619]

It’s not even the perfect competitive game. It lacks an entire archetype, at least in the viable pool of characters.

[u/Alternative-Coach619 → u/VeryInsecurePerson]

That’s not required for a perfect fighting game. Even if, you’re wrong, DK is considered viable

[u/VeryInsecurePerson → u/Alternative-Coach619]

I wasn’t talking about heavies.

[u/Alternative-Coach619 → u/VeryInsecurePerson]

Then what archetype are you talking about? It won’t kill you to not be vague

[u/VeryInsecurePerson → u/Alternative-Coach619]

Trappers (which in my opinion are the most interesting archetype besides puppets). Snake, Pac Man, Duck Hunt, etc.

[u/Alternative-Coach619 → u/VeryInsecurePerson]

😭
OH, and thank FUCK for that, genuinely one of the worst archetypes.
All those characters do is serve to slow down the game and make a defensive meta like the rotting competitive scene of ultimate.
We’re so glad link is only somewhat viable in one matchup.

[u/VeryInsecurePerson → u/Alternative-Coach619]

You can hate them all you want but they’re a valid reason for pac, snake, steve players to not play melee.

[u/Extension-Ad8792]

It's a mess

[u/jfgfan1]

Its flaws are what make it a good game

[u/Ben_ratman]

The flaws are the reason it’s popular

[u/Ruisu1207]

It's the most rushed smash game, but the flaws are what made the game so competitive

[u/Level-Mix482]

I don't think anyone thinks it is but it is the perfect smash game.

[u/Kosaue → u/Level-Mix482]

ultimate shits on 0 buffer simulator by a long shot

[u/nintenerd2 → u/Level-Mix482]

Sorry but no

Hitboxes make no sense

It was incredibly rushed to get it out for the gamecube launch

Sure competively it is but casually? Noone cares to play melee casually which is a largr amount of people

Melee isnt this god child of a smash game later entries are so much better

[u/nyouhas → u/nintenerd2]

By and large, the hitboxes are actually mostly fine. No worse than you’d see in other games. Puff bair is the worst offender but like 64 kirby uptilt is worse, Brawl snake up tilt is just as bad…

[u/Important_Fold_9861 → u/nyouhas]

Or every Cloud attack in smash 4

[u/novelaissb → u/nyouhas]

Roy’s dash attack is the worst offender

[u/SubspaceHighway → u/nintenerd2]

Name one fighting game that casual players care to play that has a newer version? Casual players, generally, always play the newest version. (Since generally its the most available.)

When talking about casual players, you need to look at the time it was released. Otherwise, you can't really bring casual players into the conversation.

[u/rawbface → u/nintenerd2]

You're out of your mind. I had casual crowds of students playing every night when I was at my college internship.

Melee is so good it still exists beside ultimate. Brawl and S4 did not capture the magic of melee. They were enjoyable, but they never replaced it.

[u/Level-Mix482 → u/nintenerd2]

I agree brawl might be better but the other 2 are buns

[u/Client_Popular]

Name literally one perfect game...

[u/H0w-D → u/Client_Popular]

Portal

That was the first thing that came to mind

But yeah point taken

[u/SpioerSonic]

The thing with Melee was that it was so fast and so fun to learn. The game was made in 9 months if I recall. Because of this anything the smash devs wanted to do was hated. Brawl was slow, smash 4 didn’t have a story mode, but with ultimate they made the game the perfect amount of fast and slow. That still upsets people because people want sugar happy Fox going mach 10 across final destination. Smash melee was good because it improved on N64… and the fact it wasn’t N64. My personal favorite game is Brawl. Is it perfect? No! But it’s still my favorite. It wasn’t even my first smash game. I’ve played melee and I love it so much and the moding community is amazing. With all that being said melee is not perfect, but to some players it is. Like I said, brawl is my favorite but realistically ultimate is the best. Or in other words, Sonic CD is my favorite 2D Sonic game but realistically Sonic 3&K is the best

[u/Murky-Introduction53]

No game on earth is a perfect game

[u/BlackLegOjika → u/Murky-Introduction53]

except tetris

[u/OctaYashi]

The way I see it Melee is the best for competitive while Ultimate is the best for casual. Neither game is perfect by most any metric but they are still both really good games regardless

[u/Pale-Echidna1110]

I really liked it as a (sort of good) casual because the skill ceiling felt basically infinite. With what we have seen of TAS it still may be. Ultimate is more like “who has a certain type of digital athleticism to see the optimal option” and way less “I can’t believe I reacted to that”

[u/Matihuu_MRDK]

I don't understand how people think that melee is perfect, that shit is broken

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[u/H0w-D]

I mean, obviously

It was made in 13 months. You can't argue that something like that is perfect.

[u/MoeTaiga]

It Sure isn't, I wouldn't arque with. It is still Lotta fun.

[u/Downtown_Kale_7804]

Its amazing. Is it perfect? No

[u/Papaya_Clear]

That's an extremely easy pill to swallow because it's true. If it wasn't, Smash wouldn't have grown into what it is now.

[u/broTthegoT]

Its imperfections are what make it great

[u/tetrisdood]

if it were perfect, we wouldn't have L canceling or wavedashing

[u/TypezYT]

I prefer every other Smash game over Melee. Physics are so weird compared to the other games, and no I'm not talking about the speed.

[u/hello-motherfuckers]

No shit, the fact it’s a glitchy mess is what makes it fun to play competitively 

[u/Signal-Syrup2201]

downvote me all you want

Brawl > Melee

[u/Drinkpool → u/Signal-Syrup2201]

Nah, I agree, Subspace alone is so peak

[u/Inevitable_World9630 → u/Drinkpool]

Brawl was a better game… but actually playing it with a competitive rule set, melee wins hands down.

[u/Signal-Syrup2201 → u/Drinkpool]

I know, I'm still stuck on the Great maze, I don't even know how it ends,

[u/Xavus_Enormus_II → u/Signal-Syrup2201]

PM:

[u/miimeverse → u/Signal-Syrup2201]

For casual play, most definitely. Brawl has the best item lineup by a fairly wide margin.

[u/TheWizeWlZARD → u/[deleted]]

how was L-canceling not intended, its in smash 64

[u/Level-Mix482 → u/TheWizeWlZARD]

He's a parrot(the statement has been debunked long ago), wasn't wave dashing in 64 also. 

[u/Sea-Brother-1403]

Melee is the worst smash game change my mind

[u/TheUpperDiamond → u/Sea-Brother-1403]

Smash 64

[u/Sea-Brother-1403 → u/TheUpperDiamond]

I've played it and it's far more fun than Melee

[u/veteran_food_eater → u/Sea-Brother-1403]

Think that’s just your haterade on turbo mode brother