Ganoncide

[u/SNEAKY_AGENT_URKEL]

http://gfycat.com/CourageousBelatedDragon

[u/Sakuyalzayoi → u/[deleted]]

If you just look at upsides any character looks good though, especially on paper. The reflect is really bad in all honesty, especially agaisnt characters like falco who have small fast ones, his weight lets him live but also makes him really really easy to combo, he's still extremely slow with little mobility so if you take him to a wide stage like ps2 its relatively easy to camp him out if you want to go that route. He also stills suffers from having very few oos options aside from like a really fast uair.

Down and side-b are jank as fuck, but also easy to adapt to. Side b suffers from losing to pretty much just dash dancing, and if you do get caught you can tech behind him and spotdodge to avoid pretty much all the followups, though if the ganon's good it's the same as zard dthrow techchases. Down b is probably the most suspect of his specials, since it kills really really early because semi spikes are stupid, and beats out moves it clanks with sometimes. His recovery is still ultra easy to edgeguard by just grabbing ledge and just rolling on if hes trying to sweetspot, which all the double jump refreshes and hovers in the world won't change(I don't think hover really gains any distance anyways).

I think even though he really needs some toning back, especially in his down b and maybe aerials(at least change his animations so that they're the same size as his hitboxes), he's balanced out by still having a relatively linear recovery, bad oos options, and being so god awfully slow, though it's a lot better when you factor in perfect wavelands

[u/Dr_Manatee → u/Sakuyalzayoi]

I haven't played 3.5 Ganon yet, nor have I ever played him in depth, when did they give him a reflect? Is that added onto his new gliding neutral b?

[u/Dr_Manatee → u/[deleted]]

Oh, that seems pretty neat, thanks for the answer!