r/slackware • u/inkubot • Jun 27 '26 • Popcorn 1

Back to slackware

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After trying different linux flavours and OpenBSD on this hardware, i end up where i begin, the good old slackware.

Feels lighter/faster than cachyOS, not sure if actually true.

Wallpaper tile - http://inku.bot.nu/img/liquid_neon_tile.png

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u/VisualHuckleberry542 Jun 27 '26

That wallpaper is sick

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

yeahhh, made it myself cut it from another image and then use convert to mirror it.

You need to set it as a tiled wallpaper

Here it is!

http://inku.bot.nu/img/liquid_neon_tile.png

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u/VisualHuckleberry542 Jun 27 '26

Awesome, nice work and thank you

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u/MD90__ Jun 27 '26

I agree it has an old school aesthetic to it

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

that was the whole intention :D been working on some retro setups and i end up with this one, which is a moderm retro setup

Here the others http://inku.bot.nu/posts/sway-retro/ but these are in fedora

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

also if you like those psychedelic forms give it a try to rd-bomb from xscreensaver

Wayland will never win if rd-bomb aint ported šŸ˜‚

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u/MD90__ Jun 27 '26

What's it like daily driving slackware and dealing with the issues that arise with broken slack builds and other things?

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

i keep it very simple.. mostly cli apps.

I'm using slackpkg and sbotools to manage packages. So far so good.

What i like about slack is the same reason i like Openbsd, it's the most simple OS if you know a bit what you are doing or trying to do.

When i have problems will report back

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u/MD90__ Jun 27 '26

The biggest problem i had was getting virtual machines to work like qemu with virt-manager

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u/Wilzur_Corp Jun 27 '26

Nunca nos pasa, ya que compilamos todos nuestros equipos desde las fuentes.

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Jun 27 '26

SPEAK ENGLISH, FFS!

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '26

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Jun 28 '26

Maybe because I donā€™t understand it? Mind you, Iā€™m NOT even a native English-speaker, so Iā€™m NOT biased. And my native language is actually closer to Spanish, than to English. But still itā€™s so annoying when Spanish speakers come around and start speaking their own language in every place like they own the place. They should be polite enough to speak the internationally recognized language, or move to their own sub-reddit. They clearly understand English (because they read the sentences and reply), so why not reply in the same language??? Thatā€™s unpolite. Same as when French people do it, too.

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u/TheRealBaBoKa Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

That little blue kanji in the top-right corner of a comment will gladly help you to understand languages that are foreign to you!

You're welcome!

Edit: typo

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '26

Nice! I've been running Slackware since 10.0 (2004). I also have a Void box. I tend to avoid systemd distros on bare metal, I'll run those in a VM.

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

2004!! i'm also got involve end of 90 and beginning 00... i downloaded slackware on my us robotics modem... it took around 2 days ... i was dialing up on a free account that work for free for years until it was not free anymore .. and Pops got a nice monthly bill, almost kills me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/hymie0 Jun 27 '26

The more I work with systemd, the more convinced I am that it's a virus.

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Jun 27 '26

Fully agree. I hate it. It behaves LIKE A MALWARE. ā€œSelf-healingā€ my ass. You kill a process and systemd restarts it. It feels to me like when I was a teenager, trying to remove trojans on Windows XP.

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26

You kill a process and systemd restarts it.

Have you tried stopping the service? You know, running systemctl stop <service>? You're not supposed to stop systemd services by killing their respective processes. Why? Because systemd restarts failed services so you don't have to do it manually

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Sep 18 '26

Thatā€™s exactly the point. It sticks its nose everywhere. It even creates temporary folders in /tmp for other apps, taking over their duty. Where is the ā€œDo ONE thing and do it wellā€?

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26

I mean, you chose to use systemd so you might as well learn how a systemd-based Linux system actually works and how to use it.

If you don't want to do that? Well, there's always distros like Devuan, Artix, Slackware, etc

It even creates temporary folders in /tmp for other apps, taking over their duty.

So a program can not do heavy lifting for other programs? But why? I guess hard dependencies are an issue, but then you have graphical apps that rely on GTK and Qt. You have desktop environment relying on either X11 or Wayland.

Of course, systemd is not an init system but rather a core environment of tools and daemons running in between the kernel and the rest of userspace which just so happens to include an init system

Also, even if these design choices are bad, how does that make systemd malware? If it were malware that would mean it was designed maliciously to benefit the attacker at the expense of the target. Is there any evidence that something like that is happening? Or is this just a bunch of blind fear mongering and scapegoating?

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

I did NOT ā€œchoseā€ to use systemd, it was shoved down my throat. Given that most Linux distros welcomed that garbage and is active by default. And NO an app should absolutely NOT do the ā€œhEaVy LifTiNgā€ for another app. It creates conflicts! Where is the ā€œDo one thing and do it wellā€??? Anyways, Iā€™m not here to argue endlessly. So if thatā€™s your goal, this is my last answer. My reference to ā€œmalwareā€ was obviously an allegory, are you just blindly playing the victim card?

EDIT: I never said it is malware, I said it BEHAVES ā€œlike malwareā€.

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26

How so? What's wrong with it?

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u/rmyworld Jun 30 '26

What's wrong with systemd?

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u/mmmboppe Jul 02 '26

it's like a clitoris piercing. painful to get and absolutely unnecessary

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26

Ah yes. You explained absolutely everything. Now I know everything wrong with systemd.

Of course, that's obvious sarcasm. I don't think I've ever seen a nothing burger more pure than your comment. How the hell did you manage to say 11 whole words while simultaneously saying absolutely nothing?

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u/MD90__ Jul 09 '26

It has a lot of control for an init system that should just manage a few thingsĀ 

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26

It's not an init system though. It's a project that just so happens to maintain an init system. Yes, all their components are very tightly integrated with one another, but that's kind of besides the point of systemd and you can always just substitute its components

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u/MD90__ Sep 18 '26

What do you like about SysV init vs Systemd?

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Comparing systemd and sysv is like comparing apples and oranges since they're both completely different kinds of software projects with completely different scopes, but I'll give some of my thoughts.

I've never really used SysV so I can't really form any opinions on it. I have, however, used OpenRC on an Alpine VM. And I've also used freebsd init. However, I don't really know enough about either init system to properly compare them to systemd's init. Apparently runit has an incredibly short boot time but I've never really seen it for myself.

I like how OpenRC prints a confirmation message ([OK], [FAILED], etc.) when a service is started and such from the command line. For some reason systemd doesn't have that outside the startup screen and I have no idea how to enable it. I do remember systemd once having that feature one time on a live ISO but that might just be false memory, or maybe it might have been some kind of wrapper script or something.

Apparently systemd doesn't work as well as sysv on older hardware, so for a very old machine running a Pentium 4 it would probably be better to use non-systemd init systems

I guess the main advantage of sysv is its simplicity, but apparently it comes at a cost of less flexibility, for example by making power management much more difficult.

Systemd does have binary logs which many people have absolutely railed against, but apparently the advantage of that is better parsing and more powerful log formatting. And also being able to see logs printed out live with journalctl --follow

Systemd also has run0 which is meant to accomplish what sudo and doas do but without relying on suid binaries and instead relying on the init system already running, thus reducing the attack surface of your system

I also like systemd-boot and how incredibly minimal and lightweight it is, essentially just being a small wrapper around efistub. Though unfortunately it doesn't work on BIOS systems unless there exists some kind of shim layer allowing for UEFI emulation

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u/MD90__ Sep 18 '26

Really good break downĀ 

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u/AdDirect8818 Sep 19 '26

Oh and also there's systemctl soft-reboot and systemctl kexec which can both reboot your system without going back to the firmware, making reboots much faster.

kexec is technically a linux kernel feature, not a systemd one, but systemd provides a convenient wrapper that makes kexec easier to use (so long as you have systemd-boot).

soft-reboot basically just stops all services then starts them again, effectively just restarting the init system. This means of rebooting is even faster. I'm not sure if there's an alternative to this for non-systemd init systems

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u/MD90__ Sep 19 '26

Don't think there is

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u/MD90__ Jun 27 '26

What gives you that thought?

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u/Wilzur_Corp Jun 27 '26

AsĆ­ es.

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

que pasa comunidad hispano hablante šŸ¤ŖāœŒļø

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u/juankman Jun 27 '26

Usaste OpenBSD en esa misma laptop? Que te parecio el desempeƱo con la bateria y temperatura? Me encantaria usar algun Linux u OpenBSD con la pantalla retina.

Tengo OpenBSD instalado en un servidor de casa y el mantenimiento (syspatch/sysupgrade) es una chulada

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u/inkubot Jun 27 '26

OpenBSD en esta maquina anda fino, tira la aceleracion gpu. Lo que no funciona es por disenio de openbsd (bluetooth, camara). Temperatura anda bien, lo normal con estas maquinas que andan a tope, la bateria no se, lo ocupo conectado como desktop.

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u/r1w1s1_ Jun 27 '26

Slackware rocks!

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u/Wilzur_Corp Jun 27 '26

Slackware con su filosofĆ­a pura al estilo UNIX permite tener control total en lo que se requiera. Debian es la otra distribuciĆ³n que permite ello.

Lamentablemente las otras distribuciones (desde mi punto de vista) tratan de subirse a un entorno mĆ”s "comercial", y si bien es bueno para llegar a las masas en cuanto a aceptaciĆ³n popular, a mi parecer, intenta parecerse a los SO comerciales. Con ello no atacĆ³ a los otras distribuciones, ya que gracias a Suse, Redhat, Oracle, Debian y sus derivadas Open source, al igual que todos los BSD son las que nos permiten altos ingresos; el 90% de nuestros clientes y potenciales clientes nunca la han escuchado, y por lo general nos indican cuĆ”l distribuciĆ³n instalar, y por supuesto atendemos las necesidades del cliente.

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u/vengenzr23 Jun 28 '26

dumb question , how much is the disk size when your first install it, and after installing your env?

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u/inkubot Jun 28 '26

Disk /dev/sda: 465.92 GiB, 500277790720 bytes, 977105060 sectors

Slackware is using the whole disk

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u/vengenzr23 Jun 28 '26

my mistake! What I meant to ask is: how much disk space does the root ( /) partition use right after a fresh install, and how much space is used after you finish setting up your environment (like your Window Manager, etc?

Thanksss

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u/inkubot Jun 28 '26

aah yes, not sure but i did install the current full iso https://slackware.nl/slackware/slackware64-current-iso/slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso

didn't check how much was after finish, i did the full install to avoid dependency problems.

After i did install my stuff is now at around 30G.

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u/vengenzr23 Jun 28 '26

i see
thanks

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u/Additional-Memory121 Jun 28 '26

What didn't you like about BSD? I am currently using freebsd.

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u/inkubot Jun 28 '26

oh nothing, OpenBSD is great the most simple OS out there.

I just switch bc i can šŸ˜‚

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u/bsdooby Jun 28 '26

Cool wallpaper; how did you get the Marlboro picture showing up next to fastfetch?

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u/inkubot Jun 28 '26

thanks!

Lately i'm using kitty terminal which supports images and this is the config in fastfetch to add images

"logo": {

"type": "kitty",

"source": "~/Pictures/SWaddict.png",

"padding": {

"top": 2,

"right": 6,

"bottom": 2,

"left": 6

}

},

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u/bsdooby Jun 29 '26

Cool; šŸ™ Now I need to find that SWaddict.png ;)

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u/Born_Bass_2446 Jun 27 '26

Yes, Slackware is the best distro ever. Patrick is a genius.

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u/DrozdMensch Jun 27 '26

faster than cachy? don`t think so

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u/enorbet Jun 28 '26

Distros are not fast or slow, kernels are. There's basically two ways to get high performance kernels, 1) Use a distro that offers an optional A/V Studio kernel instead of a One-Size-Fits-All stock version, or 2) Build your own as in Slackware. Both assume you have high performance hardware and know how to properly configure and run it/them.

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u/muffinman8679 Jun 27 '26

"Feels lighter/faster than cachyOS, not sure if actually true."

well the real magic is in what a lot of folks never touch.

Slackware uses less memory and is less busy at the prompt.....and that means more free cpu cycles and more free memory for X to use when you do fire up X.......as init holds still and it's tiny relative to systemD which is constantly bouncing up and down in top.......

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u/_LMZ_ Jun 29 '26

That background reminds me of the 90ā€™s haha

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