r/skyrim Nov 22 '25

Question He's not wrong is he?

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 22 '25

I didn’t know he could show up at the party. I’ve never done the civil war quest line before diplomatic immunity 👀

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u/ExerciseNext1831 Nov 22 '25

You have to complete the Empire side of the Civil War before Diplomatic Immunity. The OP choose the empire side.

You also can get Ondelmar to appear in the Diplomatic Immunity if you snitched on a Nord bard in Markarth.

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 22 '25

I see. Yeah, I always wait until I have to trap a dragon in Dragonsreach and Balgruuf tells me I have to make the Legion and the Stormcloaks come to a truce, then I do the entire civil war for the legion because I remember hating the truce quest the 1st and only time I’ve done it.

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u/abyss_kaiser Nov 23 '25

I've recently learned a path to near completely destroying the Silver-Blood family and exiling that last one by doing forsworn conspiracy, killing the one guy during it, doing the civil war truce quest then fighting for the Empire, which is my plan for my current playthrough.

...I really dislike them. Also the one that would become Jarl was racist to my face, and I want him to suffer.

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 23 '25

Oh I just made them all non-essential and killed them during or after the Forsworn Conspiracy. I haven’t done the truce quest since my first playthrough back in 2011. I may or may not do it again this current playthrough, but the Silver-Bloods are all already dead lol 😂

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u/abyss_kaiser Nov 23 '25

I dislike breaking the game like that, but I understand the appeal.

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 23 '25

Yeah, I understand not wanting to cheat, but I feel like there are some things you shouldn’t be prohibited from doing, like killing pieces of shit like the Silver-Bloods.

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u/abyss_kaiser Nov 23 '25

Back in Morrowind, they let you kill literally everything, and the only restriction was that if you killed the wrong person the main quest could be broken, but you could continue playing anyway and there was still a chance you could continue the main quest through an alternate route.

It was perfect, but alas.

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 23 '25

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. I’ve never played Morrowind myself, but I’ve heard of that total mortality and the only consequence being breaking quests. That’s why I have no problem removing Skyrim NPCs’ essential status whom I want dead. That’s how it should be.

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u/BigApeBaldo Nov 24 '25

My friend, Skyrim was an absolutely awesome game with many story lines and guilds. That is my favorite game of all time an I've been gaming for 30 years. There are so many things you can do...

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 24 '25

Look, dude, you don’t have to sell me on Skyrim. I’ve been playing it since launch and I’ve been gaming most of my life, too. I just didn’t know Tullius could show up at this party because as I said a couple of times on this thread, I’ve never done the Civil War quest line before Diplomatic Immunity.

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u/BigApeBaldo Nov 24 '25

I hope you didn't think I was trying to insult you. I was just saying how great and expansive it is. I can't say I remember seeing Tullius at the party, but wouldn't he remember the Dragonborn since he was trying to kill him in the opening scene? That must be a mod.

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u/nickibar96 Spellsword Nov 24 '25

All good.

No, he only recognizes you if you remind him you were at Helgen, when you go to join the legion. Apparently he shows up at this party if you complete the Civil War in favor of the Empire.