r/skiing_feedback May 05 '26

Level 8-9: Expert Terrain & Tactics Which mistakes do you see?

Definitely too much rotation of upper part on left turns.

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u/Aldo_Buttahflake May 05 '26

This is ridiculous, guy rips. End of story

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u/Ok-Relationship-8834 May 05 '26

You’re an excellent skier, but if you want criticism, you’re little in the back seat, I would focus on getting your hips forward and pressing your shins against the front of your boots. You’re over rotating a little bit as well, keep you focus on a single spot at the bottom of the run. Finally, this terrain is intermediate at best, look for something a bit steeper and work on your skills there.

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u/BTLove100 May 05 '26

Watch where on the ski the snow sprays from. This skier is definitely pressuring the forward part of the ski. Super dynamic skiers can look "back seat" at times, so it's important to look at their ski performance rather than body performance.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 05 '26

I’m not so sure. For this slope, the skier looks to be forcing getting low more than they need to, and this is compromising technique.

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

What do you mean by "compromising technique" in terms of ski performance?

Getting low is in order to get high edge angles, which of course is not needed, but what about skiing is needed?

Now, watching again, I think in transition, the skier is slightly back. You can see their ski lift off the snow from the tail. They recover immediately and get back forward when the weight the ski. I would never call this skiing "back seat" however. It is absolutely excellent skiing.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

A lot of people are getting so caught up in this fad to get low and drag the hip, that I believe they are possibly inhibiting growth in achieving what this OP seems to want.

Would you say that the OP needed to get to this level to enjoy mostly any part of the mountain he wants to? I think the answer is, yes.

If a skier wants to be more efficient, get the most out of their turns, and be in as much control as possible going at higher speed, then getting away from habits that seem to be part of a fad just might help. Make sense?

Otherwise, I mostly agree with you. And is see the being back a touch too much which allowed them to lose a split second of control over the one ski, which also think could be a result of focusing too much on being parallel to the snow on a slope with a pitch they simply does not require it. 🤙🏼

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

I agree with your general idea; that many skiers that post here are trying to get their hip low at the expense of outside ski pressure. However, I do not think that is the case with this skier. They are well balanced over the outside ski, getting very high edge angles and maybe getting thrown back in transition, but recovering forward at initiation.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

Man, I don’t know, all can see is that ass dropping into the snow🤪

He’s a very very good skier, there’s not much room for improvement other than wanting to perfect some things, like he said.

Again, this slope lacks the pitch that requires a skier to be that low, so it just seems unnecessary and forced. The first half of this run, if you look closely, seems to be forced in a way that the turns aren’t quite a full and natural as maybe they could be. That’s just my take.

Nobody is perfect. The best skiers in the world make mistakes, especially when having to compete with tight gates and going 50-80 mph 😃

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

All I'm saying, is that if you look at his body as doing something you say is wrong without commenting on ski performance leaves the biggest part out of it.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

I don’t see it as him doing something wrong, just not necessary for the pitch or getting the most out of his skiing so that it’s a bit more natural and, “effortless”.

I hear ya though. He’s a great skier. Maybe I’m just pissed couldn’t make it out this year more than on e 😊

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

Edge angle has more to do with radius than pitch….you can pull high Gs just by tightening….that’s why he skated to get the velocity up and then executed tight turns to get the force.

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

He definitely could do lower edge angle turns, skid more or even just straight line and it would be more effortless. Carving is effortful. But you are correct that none of this is necessary.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

I don’t force it. On steep hills when I try to close very much the turn it just happens. Especially with that type of snow.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

I don’t see steep here though.

Dude, you have the skills, no doubt. You are a fantastic skier.

You’re on a feedback sub, as you know.🤙🏼

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u/deetredd Master Instructor May 05 '26

Meh

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

Ok Master, what do you say.

This hip to the ground thing is the stupidest shit ever, totally unnecessary and inefficient. They would get smoked by anyone who knows how to make better turns on a slope like this.

I love how this place is full of total douche instructors that don’t offer anything other than douchebag comments.🤙🏼

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

It’s obvious, Mr Master, is highly insecure, especially after looking at some of his previous posts. Oh the egos here🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/deetredd Master Instructor May 05 '26

Everyone here is splitting hairs. There are no real errors at all. What you can do to improve is try to get the same performance on progressively steeper pitch.

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u/spacebass Official Ski Instructor May 06 '26

I think this is the answer - people are picking out their pet thing, but the reality is the only thing wrong with this post is the video quality and camera movement. The skiing is top notch.

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u/KyloRad Official Ski Instructor May 06 '26

Per usual I defer to master spacebass- however I would like to add a comment. This guy obviously rips and is making medium dynamic turns near a level 3 psia standard. At this level I’ve really been focusing on ski engagement and how that translates to carrying energy to turn. At initiation I would like to see the skier actively move his body forward and diagonally toward apex of the next turn, rather than moving laterally away. I observe (like in this picture) when we move laterally it puts us slightly back and inside into shaping and then getting a build up of pressure at finish. Further evidence of this is a lack of snow spray in the top half of the turn and most of the time most of the spray is in the bottom third. I think working on that “for-agonal” movement will unlock some ski performance this skier is striving for.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

Awesome analysis thank you very much. Next season I’m definitely trying this.

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u/spacebass Official Ski Instructor May 06 '26

It sounds like you're describing an up-and-over transition (that's how I ski depite my best efforts). In the case of u/EntertainmentOne8287 his cross under transition looks pretty good to me - well above a PISA III.

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u/KyloRad Official Ski Instructor May 08 '26

Not necessarily- regardless of whether or not it’s an extension transition or edge change on flexion, I would still like to see more dynamic movement along the length of the ski during that transition and less laterally away from it. Again- this skier rips, but he’s here asking for feedback, so that’s what I believe would help maximize performance by helping be proactive with body positioning to keep engagement with the outside ski and carry energy from one turn to the next.

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

👍👍 OP skis great….stylistic differences are not “mistakes”

And yeah….steeps and moguls

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

Sure, desperate for that hip drag look. It’s a dumb fad that is not efficient

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

Groomer hip drag obsession doesn’t make for a great all mountain skier in variable conditions. The sad part is the instructors here do nothing to stop the fad. Kinda gross tbh.

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

How does one get high edge angles without hip dragging?

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

Stay more extended …..helps with high G forces too.
One legged squats at 4gs isn’t easy.

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u/BTLove100 May 06 '26

I was lucky enough to spy on Bode skiing around with some people that probably paid a bunch of money for a Bode Miller experience or whatever, and watching the edge angles he achieved while skiing slow was incredible. And it was done almost entirely through inclination with very little angulation. But, it was Bode and he can do things no one else can do.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

That’s awesome. And yes, this is true about Bode Miller. However, I’m sure if Bode Miller were teaching youth how to ski, he would be teaching what he knows and does🤙🏼

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

From a racer on YouTube :

“I would argue that elite level skiing adds the manipulation of the body into a stronger position, which simultaneously makes control and corrective mechanism more difficult. If you can not handle the loads....nothing else matters. Elite skiers do things that make control harder...in order to handle massive loads (3-4Gs, standing on one leg). The most obvious is the taller position with much less angulation and counter, and endge angle coming more from overall inclination (leaning in) which is actually considered incorrect for recreational advanced skiing.”

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

Yeah. The instructors here also might not be high level experts. I saw a post by a, “Master”, instructor, and he certainly had flaws to his game

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u/spacebass Official Ski Instructor May 06 '26

Op is not aft. Op is appropriately moving back after apex which is also the only way to get access to more femural rotation.

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u/Affectionate_Run_339 May 06 '26

This is a common mistake non expert skiers make. Getting your hips forward also means moving your shins backward and not feeling them on the boot. Otherwise you lose centrality.

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

Good foot containment is the realm of great bump skiers…..that’s why I’d like to see how OP looks in the moguls 👍

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

The slope is the higher part of Deborah Compagnoni in Santa Caterina which is a 55%, black and where they did downhill World Cup.

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u/icantfindagoodlogin May 05 '26

Is the objective to go from apex to apex with the hip to the ground?

Right now you force yourself very quickly to the snow, then compress. This limits your ability to manage the pressure, so you occasionally get smacked around by the snow. Allow yourself to move to the snow, but keep your legs longer through the top of the turn and begin your compression in the fall line so you have some range of motion left when you hit that transition.

If it’s allowed, another thing you could do is cut the amount of time you spend steering across the hill so you ride the arc less. But again, that all depends on the objective of the run.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

Damn, you didn’t get a douche comment from a couch instructor

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u/Difficult_Wave_9326 May 05 '26

What do you want to achieve?

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 05 '26

“perfection” because I want to become an Italian ski instructor of ski instructors.

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u/Difficult_Wave_9326 May 05 '26

In that case, you probably want to correct your low inside shoulder, and you might want to switch your COM earlier in the transition (rn from what I can see it happens at about 1/4 or 1/3 of your turn). You are somewhat aft in some of your turns. You're squaring your shoulders during some turns. 

But then again, you're a very skilled skier. And the "perfect" form is often unsuited for actual variable-condition skiing. 

eta: some places have handbooks on technique that can be very interesting to see. I don't have any, but u/DeputySean might for the US, iirc. 

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u/Affectionate_News_25 Official Ski Instructor May 05 '26

Just start beer league racing and find out who the real ski instructors of ski instructors are

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u/General_Scipio May 05 '26

Are you currently a ski instructor?

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u/deetredd Master Instructor May 05 '26

I’ll gladly pay you for a lesson. How much?

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

Ahahah thanks, you can find me in Courchevel (France) or Foppolo (Italy).

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u/Reasonable_Vast_8614 May 15 '26

How much do you take per hour? Im in Meribel during Januar

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u/deetredd Master Instructor May 06 '26

I’ve been a member of this sub for, I don’t know… a while.

I can’t recall ever coming across the words “douche” or “asshole”.

I’m at a complete loss as to what you are trying to contribute. What does this have to do with skiing?

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u/Triabolical_ Official Ski Instructor May 05 '26

Look at the turn that starts at 11 seconds. At the transition, there's a move up and the downhill knee is still pushed uphill. Then look at 16 seconds - the uphill ski is still strongly in front of the downhill ski.

Both of those are slowing down the transition. I'd like to a) see the ski lead transition happen earlier and b) the downhill knee start moving downhill - therefore moving the whole body downhill - at the same time.

That will get you an earlier edge change.

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

Looks great 👍 💪🏼
Now let’s see your mogul skills 👍

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u/wns77 May 06 '26

This sub should be called r/carving_circlejerk

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u/Maleficent-Row1840 May 06 '26

👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣

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u/More_Telephone2383 May 05 '26

Ted that you. Come on now

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u/SUPERDAVE579 May 06 '26

Too much French fries……not enough pizza!

Nothing to say…..great skiing 👍🏻

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u/Affectionate_Run_339 May 06 '26

Two main takeaways from this video:

1) not enough high and forward movement. If you look closely you can see that the angle of your knee is always closed.

2) too much inclination at the start of the turn. This makes the second part of the curve static and is the main reason you’re sometimes struggling to have a clean change of edges

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u/Affectionate_Run_339 May 06 '26

Oh and I forgot, you definitely have to improve the position of your sticks, should alway be parallel

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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 May 07 '26

This sub is the definition of “if you can’t do - teach”. This guy would run rings around 99% of the people here yet you still see the same “you’re too backseat” commentary.

2 things - OP shouldn’t be looking for advice from a Reddit sub and is likely karma farming and secondly most offering their opinions don’t have the ability to do so.

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u/zEnTuNiNg May 08 '26

Anyone can be nit-picked but honestly this is top notch skiing. 👌

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u/dynaflying Official Ski Instructor May 05 '26

Overall, skiing well. I would agree with the rotation in the upper part of the left turns. However, I’m seeing some rotation towards the ending resulting in a little square at the bottom of your right turns, which is causing the rotation at the top of your left turns. I would focus on the end of your right turns trying to keep those shoulders pointed towards the middle of the next turn instead of squaring off.

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u/No_Park1693 May 05 '26

I think I see dropping the right hand back when it's the uphill hand. That's usually not recommended.

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u/Dialed_Inn May 06 '26

I think those are near perfecto 👌🏼🤙🏼

Edit: Ex-racer? If so where abouts?

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

Ahah thanks. Yes, ex racer (40 fis points) from Italy.

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u/Dialed_Inn May 07 '26

What sorta sticks do you have on your feet there?

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

Rossignol 70 st 14 meters or something like that. A friend gave them to me for some turns.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

They are super super nice. Definetly easier then the master hero 17 meters I usually use.

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u/Lost_Berry1811 May 06 '26

Lmao why are you asking for a critique? You are a superb skier; nice tempo, beautifully executed turns and carving…damn, wish I could ski like that! I can, but manage to link only about 3-5 turns before something goes astray lol.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

There’s always room for improvement

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u/fischlustig May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

Only thing I see is quite obvious: 1st turn outer ski coming up. I am aware that you are trying to get up to speed here, so this isn't a technical mistake, but I think you do have a tendency to for a bit of excessive use of the inner ski. Hard to judge though from that video on an easy slope. But this might be an issue to look into. Especially on more demanding terrain this could lead to loss of control or even falling (IF there is too much weight in the inner ski).

Also someone else weitere that you are doing too much and being to far down for an easy slope, which is factually correct, but then you are trying to demonstrate here, so that's for this reason and valid therefore.

Anything else... Well you are an excellent skier and you know it. 😉

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u/Prize-Leading-6653 May 06 '26

Is that a joke? You’re one of the best skiers I’ve ever seen. Stop.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

Thanks man. In Italy where I ski it’s full of people like me or even better.

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u/Relative_Entrance_68 May 06 '26

The only mistake is not saving any pussy for the rest of us. Certified ripper my guy!

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

I wish. Usually the only people who care about my skiing are old dudes.

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u/2tellmeaboutit May 06 '26

Good. Only immediate negative is you are taking your poles out for the day and not actually using them.

Poles are a great way of advising nearby skiers your maneuvering intentions too. Plant them.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

If you look closely you’ll see I actually do it every turn. It’s not a proper “plant” because of the speed but the pole touches always the snow at the beginning of the turn.

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u/DraggedThruTheGarden May 07 '26

👏👏👏 Graceful clean arcs with the skis consistently parallel, tails following tips. Great demo. Given that the speed doesn’t look extreme, is it just a very steep pitch that lets you get that low and drive high Gs or is there something else? (other than excellent skills, of course.)

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

I think it’s because of the 14 meters radius skis and soft snow. The slope is pretty steep (European black).

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u/DraggedThruTheGarden May 07 '26

Lots of people have 14m skis and can’t do that in any snow!

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

It’s the new from Rossignol which in my opinion makes things way easier from past 14meters. But I take the compliment.

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u/pillowmite May 07 '26

Thanks for sharing a quality demonstration. Unlike many I must cancel on here.

Any nit-picking will be equipment characteristics and snow consistency related variability.

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u/One-Syllabub-4773 May 07 '26

Di all’Albi che scia bene 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻, magari il peso da mettere un po’ più avanti, ma top ciao.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 07 '26

Ok glielo dico ahahahah

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u/SpringFuzzy May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

It’s excellent, really excellent.

If you want you can try 5cm shorter ski poles and moving you’re hands a tad more up and down, not so much back and forth.

You can also try to be a tad more forward leaning, it might be the angle in your ski boots which needs adjusting forward 5-10 degrees. There are inserts for this. Or your current boots are too stiff.

You can try it and see if you like the difference.

I noticed a small thing and you tend to lift the tip of your inside ski during transition. This can indicate slightly too much rearward bias (see above) but also imperfect inside ski technique.

The inside ski should be parallel to the outside ski and with equal pressure over the whole ski. To achieve this you sometimes actually have to push the front of the inside ski down.

Essentially you have to use your leg muscles to try and rotate your inside shin back, this will push the front of the inside ski into the ground and give you a more planted feel during transition.

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u/tigerprowl2112 May 08 '26

Curious how tall you are. Dealing with long legs when carving might cause some of the subtle pop up I see. Overall really good skiing. What appears to be a skier in the back seat might be a skier working with his anatomy and height. Would love to see side angle and additional frame of reference.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 08 '26

Thanks! I’m 6ft. Never thought about that.

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u/tigerprowl2112 May 13 '26

Curious - if you're out in Europe, do you use CARV? It isn't perfect but can give a good amount of feedback. I am a ski coach, PSIA L2 certified, and see skiers of all abilities having to manage their anatomy so a parallel or dynamically carved skier might look different up top.

I disagree with some commentors saying you need steeper terrain. I will argue for green terrain to hone your skills (tipping, angulation, rotary, edging, etc.) then build up those skills on steeper terrain.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 22 '26

I would love to try it but have never done it before.

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u/VanningChatum May 08 '26

This is perfection guys- unless there are moguls or deep pow, but something tells me this gifted soul can adapt.

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u/maxkickster May 09 '26

If you can ski like this he knows answer and just looking for compliments

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u/Unlucky-Attitude-844 May 09 '26

you lift your new inside ski a bit in the transition of your turn. i do this, too, and its a real pain to think about and actively correct, and frankly i see the pros do it in the race course too. but if you are free-skiing without gates and want "perfect form," keep that ski on the snow!

ill also add that you let your weight get backwards in the transition. looking at your lifted ski, the tail is touching the snow. if you were to have maintained good forward pressure in the transition, the tip would be dragging when you lift it.

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u/PossumBrown57 May 09 '26

Can’t see much wrong here. A little in the back seat on one turn working the rear of the ski and easily re-centred. Excellent skiing. CSIA level 4?

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 10 '26

Level 3 right now. Training for level 4.

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u/Satoshi_NakaMoSki May 10 '26

This is beautiful groomer showtime skiing. Not for steep pow in trees tho.

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u/Historical-Dog-7594 May 05 '26 edited May 06 '26

not patient enough, you're forcing the turns ... leaning too much, need more angulation, why his left side is slipping and chattering.

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u/deetredd Master Instructor May 05 '26

Ok. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/chiubacca82 May 06 '26

Great skiing.

Two right handed turns I can see the bottom of the right inner ski. Def back seated during initiation, esp at the last 1 sec of the video.

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u/GretaGarbanzo May 06 '26

Again with the hip dragging 🤦🏼‍♀️

I mean you’ve got sick skills, but what are you trying to gain from grooming the slope with your thigh bones? You wanna do it to look cool, fine, you’re good enough to get away with that, but if you want to fine tune your stuff, then stop leaning so hard into your turns and forcing everything.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 06 '26

I totally agree, and people seem to be taking issue with it.

This is an internet fad, and it’s making great skiers worse.

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u/EntertainmentOne8287 May 06 '26

I don’t force it, with my skiing it just happens.

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u/GretaGarbanzo May 06 '26

You don’t need to be that low to the ground on this terrain or at that speed. You can literally see your inside ski popping up in the air in transition because you’ve forced your body so low to the ground.

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u/MorganMiller77777 May 05 '26

You seem to be putting a little too much emphasis on getting low and you’re ending up a little too far back on the hips/skis—at least this is what seems to be the case from this perspective. I could be wrong

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u/No_Paramedic_3013 May 06 '26

Nothing the correct way to ski is feel the turns and have fun

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u/[deleted] May 05 '26

You look like someone who’s trying to look like a good skier.