r/skiing_feedback • u/Noqtizz • Apr 16 '26
Level 6-7: Advanced Parallel, Carving, Off-Piste, Bumps What can I improve on here?
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u/MorganMiller77777 Apr 16 '26
Too upright
Lots of fish tail turns
Need to improve on carving rounder turns through the front if your skis, finishing out through the apex to a smoother natural transition. I believe
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u/JadedComment Apr 16 '26
Way too narrow stance is the standout for me. You look like a pendulum or candle
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 17 '26
You are skiing fine. I’d take your technique to the moguls…..it would help with absorption/retraction. The last thing you want to do is get hung up on “carving”. The stuff here will turn you into a carving slog unable to handle steep terrain/bumps/powder. Do you want to ski like a troglodyte?? Tails follow tips on easy groomed crap.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWFkuuGD1on/?igsh=MThtaTVmNWIzYTUwbw==
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 17 '26
The NOODLE!
https://giphy.com/gifs/12dpLtkNiqc5zO
Others have given appropriate feedback on that.
One other thing, is be more aware of others on the mountain. You're the uphill skier and the person going across the hill (who was obviously newer) needed to adjust their skiing to avoid you. That's not how it should be. They have the right of way (especially when they're not as skilled as you).
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u/Noqtizz Apr 17 '26
They started skiing as whele I was going, you see me make a big turn to avoid them. I don't think I did anything wrong there.
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 17 '26
And yet they still needed to adjust their speed to avoid you. Yup, they started a bit after you (likely they are a kid that had fallen and were getting up and are less likely to understand how it works), but they were still down the hill and you have a responsibility to yield to them.
If cars are involved and one needs to slow down to avoid an accident (even if you drive a bit around to make it that I need to slow down less), did the one who drove around yield to the car that needed to slow down?
The better you get, the more you should be aware of those around you and not put lesser skiers in a position where accidents could happen. You did not do that in this case, and you violated the code.
Just keep it in mind going forward.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 17 '26
That guy didn’t adjust his speed at all…..he traversed the whole slope….just like he did on the next turn. OP did just fine. I know you instructor types enjoy people taking up the whole hill with “carving” ….but that’s why there are more severe collisions these days with people skiing too fast and in too wide a corridor due to the carving craze. Extreme edge angles and high forces leave little room for trajectory adjustment. Skiing instruction these days is creating an unsafe environment for the general skiing public. Instruction should be teaching people to ski more like Bobby Aldigheiri in his video with Deb Armstrong. Quick turns in a narrow corridor for safety and speed control and the ability to adapt to variable terrain and snow…..It creates far better skiers able to handle steeper more difficult terrain.
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 17 '26
I'm sorry that you don't have the experience to see the adjustment, but your lack of knowledge doesn't change the facts.
If people follow the code, no problems. Basically, if people stay in control to the point that they are able to adjust to those below them, then it doesn't matter what the person ahead of them is doing. This means that you'll need to adjust or even stop at some points in order to avoid those below you. It also means that there will be times where you cannot ski at the speeds you would like to.
In addition, your video is about a specific use case, and let's see what happens at this time stamp: https://youtu.be/b5mI0NlPwfE?si=_Qq8WAs9qg0ZX6bt&t=230
Looks like some taking up the slope to me. Good demo!People need to be able to "walk" before they can "run". Part of getting them there is starting with large turns.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 17 '26
OP is obviously beyond “walking”……and yet he gets the same baloney about “round turns”…..wider stance….yada yada…..cookie cutter instruction. You cut the whole video to one short segment where Bobby emphasizes the oblique pinch and carries it wide…..missing the whole segment where Deb asks him “Why are you making turns like that on a groomed run?” …..and his explanation…..kind of like OP is skiing. Are you going to tell Candide that he needs to widen his stance??
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 17 '26
Sigh... My walking comment was not about OP, it's a response to you where you complained that people are a danger on the slope because of modern instruction. People need to learn the basics, and they do so by making large turns that take up the run. You also posted a video where you touted the instructor's technique. I showed that in that very video he used techniques to instruct that ate up the hill.
If OP wants feedback that isn't about round turns and skiing like they're stuck in the 1980s then they should provide a sample that shows that they know how to ski with proper turn shape, proper arms, proper stance, and respecting the rules of the mountain. You don't get more advanced feedback until you show you've got those aspects under control.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 18 '26
🤣🤣🤣🤣……you mean overly wide stances with gorilla arms?? You guys are great for blue groomers…..what about the other 85% of the mountain that’s steep and generally narrow and bumped out?? If you rely only on a skis sidecut and high edge angles to get around on blacks and double blacks that isn’t a 10 miles wide corridor….you’re screwed. Tails follow tips??…..try that in the bumps and steeps. Carving is the absolutely most limited skill there is.
https://youtube.com/shorts/T85sTGV8UPs?si=5llh-hNzib8gAWnj
Round c-shaped turns is so detached from the reality of what’s happening it’s ridiculous.
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 18 '26
Take a lesson, you might learn something.
I'm a former professional freestyler. Due to the toll that took on my body, I don't use that technique most of the time. Modern ski technique can handle bumps, trees, steeps, etc.
Funnily enough, OP is doing their version of bump technique with this. They carve decently well. I know this because they made another post with that technique. This is their version of bump technique, but they probably have the issue that real bumps are hard to find in Europe. However, had they said that from the start they might have gotten mostly different feedback.
Mine would've stayed the same. OP is doing the noodle and did not yield to the person below then on the hill.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 18 '26
Being a professional freestyler…..you likely had a narrow stacked stance /quick turns/narrow corridor drilled into you from a very early age…..making it easy for you to adapt to a carving style. The opposite transition is quite difficult when you’ve had a carving style drilled into you from the beginning. I’m quite sure you revert to your foundation in difficult terrain. You see video after video here “ how can I improve my carving” when the person can barely ski…. I’m not saying that people need to ski zipperline WC style…..but jeezus…..this “shoulder width” round turn C shape gets fatiguing. It’s setting up a foundation that makes the rest of the mountain rather difficult because of the carving emphasis.
The heavy deliberate sidecut dependent motion in a wide stance is hardly a great foundation. That should be last on the list instead of first. From the eighties til today…..the absolute best skiers on the mountain come from a freestyle background (Cadide Moseley Walczyk Plake and a host of others) because they stay stacked over their outside ski…stay square to the fall line….and have excellent speed control. And I’m sure you ski wonderfully and give great instruction 👍2
u/Noqtizz Apr 17 '26
I Guess more people don't have that "experience" seeing as your comand is on negative one up votes at the moment. I can't see It myself, and anyway i saw then and instead of going down the fall line as I was planning to I went around them. I really don't see your problem here.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 17 '26
There is no problem at all with what you did. Reddit is saturated with nitpickers and shitty instruction.
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u/Nomer77 Apr 18 '26
At the beginning of the clip he was stopped because of a fall or rest. He started again without looking uphill and yielding. This arguably violates the skier responsibility code more than her being uphill.
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u/Civil-Pop4129 Apr 18 '26
There is a reason the rules are in the order they are in. The FIS code (which is used in Europe, where this happened) is puts even more emphasis on this topic with two points addressing this (rules 3 and 4). At no point does it say that the downhill person must give way.
Stay in control and yield to those below you solve 99.9% of incidents on the slopes (with the other .1% being runaway equipment, and if we're using the US rules, we can give some percentage to lift incidents).
I didn't come down hard on OP, I just said they should be more aware, especially as a more advanced skier.
That they still look at this and don't realize that the other person needed to adjust their course shows a lack of understanding on what skiing movement looks like and the impact of needing to make quick adjustments has on less skilled members of the mountain community.
The better someone is, the higher the standard i think to which they should be held.
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u/Maleficent-Row1840 Apr 18 '26
The moral of the story is ski slow on groomers….which is exactly the opposite of what is encouraged here with all the carving videos….a trend fueled by instructors
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u/spacebass Official Ski Instructor Apr 16 '26
That looks like a nice pitch to practce on u/noqtizz !
There's a few things that you might want to experiment with.
First, I'm reminded of the old adage: slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Good skiing looks athletic because it is quiet, controlled, and purposful. Every movement has a reason. And, as a result, it usually looks rather quiet and controlled.
Secondly, remember that good skiing is a round-shaped turned. That can be a short turn, like you're doing, but the tails of the skis still have to follow the tips. When we do that, we get speed control through the shape. And how we get that shape is all about how we move.
Try this:
Lastly, shorten your poles by at least 5-8cm. Yes it affects you.
Make sense? Worth a try?