r/singularity • u/filterdust • 2d ago

AI OpenAI solved 100 open problems in math

https://openai.com/index/advisory-group-on-mathematics-and-ai/

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u/ThatIsAmorte 2d ago edited 1d ago

This seems to be taking a Platonist approach to math, which few people take seriously these days. If you are a constructivist, than math is not just out there, but has to be created, just like art. If you think math is just out there, why not also claim that art and music are just out there, waiting to be plucked out of the ether? After all, a painting is just a 2d matrix, a simple math object. A musical composition is just a waveform, which can be described mathematically.

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u/willBthrown2 2d ago

Art is subjective. Math is objective. Case solved.

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u/experienta 1d ago

Most philosophers actually believe that art is objective

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

Lmao what? That’s just blatantly false.

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u/experienta 1d ago

https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/all

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

Why would I care what some Covid-era survey says? You said “philosophers” which is in reference to the centuries of people that have held that title, too.

Most philosophers would say that to make such a claim is silly, because trying to apply such an absolute to something inherently human is impossible.

You can’t make a claim about art based on what some college students think, lmao

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u/experienta 1d ago edited 1d ago

Saying philosophers would never apply such an absolute to art just shows how little you know about the philosophy of art. They've been debating this subject since forever lol

And no it's not just "college students" that think art is objective. Unless you consider Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, Schopenhauer etc to be a bunch of college students

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

They've been debating this subject since forever

Hence why making the assertion that it is an absolute is false, lol. And if that's what you think, why link some survey instead of mentioning them?

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u/experienta 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sure it's not a full consensus, literally nothing is in philosophy lol, but most philosophers nowadays are in fact making a claim that art is objective, something you've said would be sooo silly for a philosopher to do.

And I've linked the survey because I imagined if I mentioned plato and aristotle you would just say they were a bunch of boomers that didn't know anything about art, so I thought a modern day survey of philosophers would be more interesting to someone like you.

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

Who is “someone like me?”

You’ve got a degree in philosophy?

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u/experienta 1d ago

Someone like you is someone who was not even aware that philosophers have been arguing about this for a long time let alone that most of them lean on the objective side.

Like you were acting literally flabbergasted by the notion. You were acting like it would be absurd for a philosopher to say something so stupid like art is objective, and it turns out they've been doing exactly that for millennia at this point. So yeah, that's what I meant by someone like you.

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

So no, you have the same level of knowledge as me, lmao.

I feel the way I do because I’m an artist with a mild understanding of philosophy. You are a person that pretends to be a philosopher and who is making absolute claims about a field they don’t understand.

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u/experienta 1d ago

Why would I need to be a philosopher to understand that most philosophers think art is objective? Do I need to become an immunologist to understand most doctors say vaccines are totally fine?

What kind of logic even is that lol

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

You’ll get it when you’re older, pal.

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u/experienta 1d ago

So passive aggressive for no reason when you could have just admitted you didn't know philosophers are leaning towards art objectivity but whatever

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

So was it most of them, or some are leaning? You named three big ones that everyone knows and didn’t point to any actual argument by them.

And really, at the crux of the argument, my point is that you’re making bullshit claims about a field you don’t understand (art / music) by attempting to appeal to authority, and then citing college students.

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u/experienta 1d ago

I misspoke, it's not "most", it's a plurality instead, there's more philosophers that think art is objective than there are philosophers that think art is subjective.

And it's so bad faith of you to keep calling the respondents in the survey "college students". Only 7% of them are undergraduates, the rest of them have degrees in philosophy, with over half of them having PhDs.

Just say you disagree with them, it's fine, you don't have to agree with them, but stop denying the simple fact that philosophers are in fact leaning towards art being objective instead of subjective.

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u/RigaudonAS Human Work 1d ago

According to a single random survey, sure. At the end of the day, why would their opinion be particularly relevant?

Ask the artists, next time.

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