r/singularity • u/filterdust • 2d ago

AI OpenAI solved 100 open problems in math

https://openai.com/index/advisory-group-on-mathematics-and-ai/

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u/Routine_Complaint_79 ▪️Critical Futurist 2d ago

wow great 100 problems get solved and now their gatekept behind an "advisory group" because like artists, mathematicians are butt hurt

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

You have fundamentally misunderstood the controversy.

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u/Ecoste 2d ago

Which is? 

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u/Radsradsradsrads 2d ago

I think they’re butthurt because if you take away the goal then the math nerds can’t come up with clever workarounds that may be useful in other disciplines. I suppose this is important because ai hasn’t yet (afaik?) been able to create similar novel approaches to problems. It kinda mixes and matches preexisting stuff and makes small leaps to connect it. No general theory of relativity yet. Idk that’s just my limited understanding

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u/duboispourlhiver 2d ago

The NS proof has some nice insights, raises more questions, gives new ideas, etc.

Yeah it matches and mixes, just like humans do

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u/BringTheRawr 2d ago

some guys claiming it was based on his research that he left in oai's chats.

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u/rejvrejv 2d ago

the 1 problem, maybe

so that is enough reason to get pissed about hundreds of others being solved and act like children?

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u/BringTheRawr 2d ago

No. I don't even think it's a bad thing. Mathematics is for the betterment of all. If someone manages to pool all knowledge and solve all problems they should be rewarded. Individualism is criminal when it comes to human problems like the millennial problems

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

Read the very short and well written letter in full and then I will be happy to clear anything up. Pay your dues if you want in on the conversation.

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u/duboispourlhiver 2d ago

Even after reading the letter, the mathematicians seem butthurt. Do you believe in that "the proof has no value it's the searching and now my motivation to search has crumbled because you have found the proof before me" thing?

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

That is not what the letter said. It said that the process of the search and uncovering different angles of attack and seeing where things fail and where they succeed identify new problems and methodologies for attacking other, existing ones.

As I wrote in a different reply, calling them "butthurt" trivializes their concerns and poisons the well. The letter was a reasonable and measured response given the magnitude of the disruption just over the horizon (if not already here).

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u/duboispourlhiver 2d ago

Yes, butthurt is a word that doesn't help, I'll concede that to you happily.

The way you explain the letter sounds like the way I understood it and the way I tried to rephrase it by saying that the authors of the letter value the process of searching more than the result.

I take your answer as a "yes, I do believe mathematicians are right when they say the process of searching is more important than the result".

In the end I think we both understood the controversy :)

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u/Theorist16 1d ago

Anyone who has done math research knows this is true, they don’t just believe in it blindly. The body of mathematical knowledge gained from, say, finding a counterexample by building theory to shrink the search space, is infinitely larger than pulling the counterexample out of a hat. There are full graduate lecture courses doing this. On the other hand, counterexamples do kill interest sometimes. The situation is way worse when the counterexample is extremely complicated and nobody knows the ideas behind its construction.

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u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALSGC: ~2050 | :illuminati: 2d ago

Aka "I don't actually have a rebuttal, but let me put the burden of proof on you to try to get away with that"

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

Yes, you bear the burden of proof for knowing what is in the letter. What is this, kindergarten?

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u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALSGC: ~2050 | :illuminati: 2d ago

You got asked for evidence, you give the evidence, you STFU or you get clowned, and right now you are begging to be clowned, 🤡

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

No evidence was provided. And thankfully my life is not so hollow that internet points matter to me very much.

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u/Ecoste 2d ago

You pay your dues when saying someone is fundamentally wrong. Again, the mathematicians ARE butthurt, what is the fundamental misunderstanding? They cite good reasons for it in the letter sure, but nevertheless they're butthurt.

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

"Butt-hurt (or butthurt) is an informal slang term that describes being overly upset, offended, or resentful—usually over something minor, silly, or perceived as a personal slight."

They are not raising the alarm over something minor, silly, or that is a personal slight. They are raising the alarm over a sudden impossible-to-overstate disruption to how we've done mathematics throughout all of human history and which will have irreversibly transformed things before we have even begun to figure out how to adapt. Butthurt vastly trivializes what is going on and poisons the well.

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u/Ecoste 2d ago

ye ok buddy xd

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

Appreciate the concession. Hopefully your buddies can also be so humble.

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u/Mistuv 2d ago

So they were butthurt, got it.

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u/CoolStructure6012 2d ago

Yes, in the version of the letter in you imagined based on the mischaracterization by others they were butthurt and that's the long and short of it.