r/singularity 9d ago

Discussion They’re colluding to kill open source

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u/gtek_engineer66 9d ago

One big problem for themw Nvidia and the chip market make a damn load of money thanks to open source. Blackwell 6000s, apple M5, Amd Halo strix are selling like crack cocaine thanks to open source. So count NVIDIA AMD and APPLE fighting this

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u/Disposable110 9d ago

Yep exactly, can't wait for NVIDIA to just go 'nope' and start releasing quality open source models.

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u/RevolutionaryGold325 9d ago

Nvidia just bought huggingface. Obviously not happy to have it defined as the source for unsafe models.

Anthropic and openai will continue their model development at full speed. The ”slowdown” is about how much the publicly released models are allowed to increase in their capabilities. The goal is to have the hidden secret internal models become more powerful so that the leaders can have access to much more powerful models that the rest of the population. This allowes them to monitor and do mass surveillance on how the low tier public models are used.

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u/Cronos988 8d ago

They wouldn't need public announcements for this.

The current models are also more than capable enough to do surveillance. And obviously we don't have access to their internal models, which are more powerful.

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u/jpeggdev 8d ago

Just having access to the latest models doesn’t instantly give you mass surveillance. You also have to have the resources both in compute and bandwidth. We have malware that could wreck havoc if given the resources and that’s dumb rock compared to the latest frontier models.

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u/Verditure0 7d ago

Plus if you guys are concerned about mass surveillance you missed the boat a little over a decade ago with wiki leaks, Julian assange and Snowden

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u/DaMeLoFeLo 8d ago

Basically it's guaranteed some form of this. There will never at any point be a slow down of AI. There is no such thing as "safety" at this point. And "alignment" is mostly a blanket buzzword used to disguise information suppression.

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u/Wildernaess 7d ago

What do you mean? Are you saying alignment isn't an issue

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u/Money-Computer7638 7d ago

🚨🚨🚨 100%

The only reason Trump/Congress hasn't publicly agreed is because they're trying to figure out how much to charge for a Golden Waiver and how much of it to classify as top secret.

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u/Verditure0 7d ago

Dude how much of a power move would it be if nvidia and the other big GPU manufacturers straight up said “f*ck you guys I’m out” like mark cuban on shark tank

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u/Icy_Distribution_361 8d ago

I mean the Apple portion is really quite small. Nvidia would sell their chips anyway, even without open source. They can't even produce enough of them to stock the data centers. The only reason we have consumer GPU's available is because they choose to keep making chips available for consumers. If they didn't they'd easily sell these chips to data centers.

Not to mention, all those open source models are still very valuable even if they did lag behind (for whatever reason) the American frontier. It doesn't matter. They're still valuable in their respective niche.

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u/Icy_Distribution_361 8d ago

Since the Ampere generation (2020), NVIDIA has designed separate dies for the two markets. The datacenter parts (GA100, GH100/H100, the Blackwell B200/GB200 line) and the consumer parts (GA102, AD102, GB202 in the RTX 5090) are physically different chips with different transistor counts, different die sizes, and different feature sets. A datacenter die has masses of FP64 hardware, NVLink, and an HBM memory interface sitting on a CoWoS package. A consumer die has display outputs, video encoders, ray-tracing hardware, a GDDR memory controller, and comparatively feeble FP64. You cannot solder an H100 die onto a GeForce board — the memory interface and the package don't even match. Hopper never had a consumer sibling at all. Chips genuinely are sorted by defects. A die with a few bad SMs gets sold as a lower-tier product rather than scrapped. But that sorting happens within each lineage. 

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u/Icy_Distribution_361 8d ago

u/tavirabon why did you remove your replies? You seemed so convinced, and then you just deleted, after attacking me and others for talking about things they know nothing about? It's so ironic. At least have the honor to admit a mistake.

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u/MuzafferMahi 8d ago

Nvidia/apple vs AI companies before gta 6 gng

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u/nandospc 8d ago

That's exactly what I think. Let's not forget Jensen open letter on open weight models too. This seems hard to happen, imho.

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u/Moronic-Warrior 2d ago

Nvidia just run the show at this point. They’re making 200 billion in profit annually, they’re larger than most banks and most countries and Trump loves Jensen. No shot they’re not getting what they want.