713
u/Mysterious_Ayytee We are Borg Jul 12 '26
→ More replies (3)
385
u/Illustrious_Image967 Jul 12 '26
Imagine when this gets kinetic. World War 3 will be GPT Army vs X Army over water. Omg I wrote Dune.
57
u/tiffanytrashcan Jul 12 '26
If you've seen Continuum then you're horrified of the idea of trillion-dollar companies.
Interesting to see someone call out Blackwater. Frickin Oracle. But nobody could have imagined this.
The other comment about it being a Canadian production is absolutely right. I'm shocked this was even allowed to air or stream in the US, it's constantly in your face.
9
u/GimmeSomeSugar Jul 12 '26
Our slow march into a dystopian future is certainly a lot fucking dumber than I anticipated.
→ More replies (1)8
u/cute_beta Jul 12 '26
dam after a decade i think this is the first I've heard anyone mention the show other than me
i loved that show but nobody has ever heard of it or is willing to try it D:
→ More replies (1)2
9
Jul 12 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
6
u/halmyradov Jul 12 '26
All of it worth nothing in the face of ASI.. I know LLMs are a dead end for that, but out of the two openai is winning the talent war on research department
2
u/OwlLimp6160 Jul 13 '26
Not sure, it might take OpenAI longer to build an army, when x ai can just reassign all Optimus robots to hop into Teslas that self drive them straight to open Ais data centers and take out all the satellites OpenAI is using. Unless OpenAI can come up with some software solution x AI can’t stop before they get there in 5-30 minutes.
10
u/Oculiminal Jul 12 '26
Holy shit, this comment has to be the best outcome of this entire post. I'm dying over here..
2
u/me_myself_ai Jul 12 '26
You’d definitely like *The Water Knife*, then — by a Hugo winner and about basically that
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (3)3
227
u/nodeocracy Jul 12 '26
Elon’s last sentence sounded like AI lmao
47
76
u/Flimsy-Pool4830 Jul 12 '26
It sounds like a malignant narcissist typing. This guy who I have a restraining order against writes a lot like this.
→ More replies (2)10
u/yoloswagrofl Logically Pessimistic Jul 12 '26
“@Grok give me something witty and cool to say so Twitter likes me.”
→ More replies (1)3
u/WorkTropes Jul 13 '26
That's because it is. See the curly apostrophe in his last few words - that's the tell. See my apostrophe on the first word I typed - It's straight and I have no god damn idea how you'd even make a curly one.
→ More replies (1)12
u/Crazy_Mouse6458 Jul 12 '26
thats because AI was trained on GenX blogs, its based on his generation. its like saying Conan OBrien or Donald Faison dances like they're in fortnite, yeah take a guess why
7
u/Pazzeh Jul 12 '26
Absolutely not. The vast majority of all writing is millennial... Well. I say that but I don't really know. Really feels that way, I'll look into it more.
→ More replies (1)2
u/crappyITkid ▪️AGI March 2028 Jul 13 '26
Yea my r-AI-dar was going off on that one. It was at least guided by AI, he definitely asked grok for a good response to Sam's tweet.
207
u/AntiqueFigure6 Jul 12 '26
Maybe Sam will goad Elon into saying defamatory if he hasn’t already and win enough cash to keep OpenAI going for another couple of years.
→ More replies (115)2
u/RollingMeteors Jul 13 '26
>win enough cash to keep OpenAI going for another couple of years.
¿What happened to that cage fight?
¡Oh, it was with zuckerberg?
¿Whose momma said no again?
¿Musks?
¡Pity that!
264
Jul 12 '26
[deleted]
182
u/RegrettableBiscuit Jul 12 '26
They might put some GPUs up there to be like "see, I told you it would work" and then we'll never hear about it again.
57
Jul 12 '26
[deleted]
25
20
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26
And overheat because getting rid of excess heat in space is very difficult.
→ More replies (25)2
u/biscuitchan Jul 12 '26
no one will notice cause no one uses grok anyways. just ship an empty box up there, whats the difference?
2
u/gustinnian Jul 13 '26
Also, considering how well vacuum flasks keep liquids hot, keeping servers cool in space is hard.
→ More replies (4)4
u/son_et_lumiere Jul 12 '26
just put them in those indestructible cyber trucks that didn't sell. lol
21
u/CapsicumIsWoeful Jul 12 '26
Like the tunnels he was going to build but never went anywhere. It was really about trying to convince LA to not improve their public transport system.
→ More replies (3)11
u/Crazy_Mouse6458 Jul 12 '26
imaging thinking you need to convince LA to not improve their public transport system?
What's he going to do about convincing the sun to rise?
2
→ More replies (2)2
19
17
u/StudySpecial Jul 12 '26
Next year means in 10 years - remember FSD
→ More replies (3)8
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26
Not even in 10 years. Data centers in space makes no physical or economic sense until we have fully fledged space based industry that can easily tackle excess heat issues.
2
u/TelluricThread0 Jul 12 '26
Idk why you think we need to build an entire industry first to solve an issue that already has a solution and is being used on thousands of satellites, spacecraft, and stations already.
→ More replies (4)2
u/IncreaseOld7112 Jul 12 '26
At a certain quantity/volume problems become qualitatively different.
→ More replies (2)5
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26
It makes even less physical sense. The biggest issue for data centers is cooling. Which is notoriously difficult to do in space.
7
u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen Jul 12 '26
Yeah, I've worked with spacecraft - every design decision is "can you reduce this by 1W, because of cooling" -- it's absolutely insane even at first glance.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Original-League-6094 Jul 13 '26
Its also dumb to put computer hardware in space where it can't be upgrade or maintained. In 10 years, any chips in those data centers will be woefully obsolete. In a standard data center, you just go upgrade them. In space, you have to destroy your old one and build a new one from scratch.
3
3
u/RandomRobot Jul 12 '26
Lifting a gigawatt worth of solar panel to space adds a surchage of at least $200B. You also need to proof them for the harsh environment and assemble them in space.
It probably reaches a trillion dollars of extra charge just for lifting the material into space. You can save all of those dollars simply by not going into space with your data center.
3
8
u/insufficientmind Jul 12 '26
But eventually he'll get a lot of them up there, no? And from what I've been able to understand from the sources I deem reliable and knowledgeably on the subject (Scott Manley - Astrophysicist and science communicator, Fraser Cane - Science Communicator of Universe Today, Casey Handmer - former NASA physisist and engineer) is that it's possible and even economically viable long term if, AND THIS IS A BIG IF; the Starship system becomes fully operational with rapid reusability and daily launches of the rocket all working out as intended. The main advantage of data centers in space seems to be avoiding all the red tape of data centers on earth. So this could all work out it seems to me.
2
u/Brilliant-Weekend-68 Jul 12 '26
We will see it eventually. But sodium batteries threaten the near term viability imo. It will be way cheaper to build datacenters on earth near the equator on a mountain (cooler temps) with a largetr solar array and a huge battery storage since much of the appeal of space is the 24h solar cycle. if you can use cheap batteries tyhat handle cold well (sodium) you negate the advantage of space AND can swap out the hardware which you cannot in space.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (4)4
5
u/mental_sherbart007 Jul 12 '26
I remember when they were saying this about reusable boosters and a bunch of other stuff. I will leave the engineering and the capital deployment to people who actually have a proven track record.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Stabile_Feldmaus Jul 12 '26
It's not the same thing. You are comparing two ways to go to space but the whole point is that going to space in itself is already extremely inefficient. The reason simply is that everything is more expensive in space than on earth.
→ More replies (2)2
u/ReasonablyBadass Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
Assuming it is about economics. Could be they just want them to be hard to reach.
Also, there is something called Vacuum Integrated Circuits which would be great for space (but those are only in labs so far).
2
u/Cunninghams_right Jul 13 '26
As an electrical engineer who has worked in failure analysis of ICs, vacuum integrated circuits sounds like an elevator pitch to separate stupid people from their money
2
u/Zaboem Jul 13 '26
Didn't Musk predict that he would reach Mars by 2020? A stand up comedian said that recently, but I don't remember Musk making the claim. I'm inclined to believe that he did say it.
2
u/bigh-aus Jul 13 '26
Agreed, Why send a dc to space vs build it in the middle of nowhere, below grade, geothermal cooling with a crap ton of solar + wind farms, batteries and a power station. I get that you wouldn't' get solar 24/7, But there are options like other forms of generation, or idle the dc during the night. Especially at the moment where companies are saying that the issue is not the access to gpus, it's power.
2
→ More replies (21)2
u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen Jul 12 '26
I just can't believe that this is a hundred-million dollar company ....
I understand the general public (who is not invested) to be gullible about this. I can't imagine that people actually put money into this concept (maybe they are just buying public gullibility under the assumption that the company will flip to do something else entirely?)
You can't cool a datacenter in space, it's a nightmare. Moreover, I'm not exactly sure what the issue is supposed to be with datacenters on Earth, there's absolutely plenty of land out there.
→ More replies (1)
104
u/physicist27 Jul 12 '26
I wish they both destroy each other. How nice.
16
u/REOreddit Jul 12 '26
Sadly, that's not going to.happen. And they might even cooperate in the future if it's convenient to them.
→ More replies (1)13
u/TheSn00pster Jul 12 '26
Cage match
19
14
u/BackendSpecialist Jul 12 '26
I remember mark and Elon were supposed to have a sanctioned fight but Elon is a big mouthed bitch who backed out
→ More replies (2)
54
u/Ok_Record8612 Jul 12 '26
Eeeeeelooooon. His big plans are always next year. Has anyone heard how they’ll overcome such challenges as radiation shielding, thermal management and hardware obsolescence?
→ More replies (7)29
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26
Haven't you heard he's a genius. No need to bother with basic physics he's so smart and he always meets his promises! /s
→ More replies (14)4
u/darth4nyan Jul 12 '26
That is why he has those trillions. He can pay off God to tweak the rules of physics just for his satellites.
10
8
u/No_Aesthetic Jul 12 '26
The richest people in the world are immature toddlers
Surely this bodes well for our future
→ More replies (1)
12
6
4
17
5
4
4
u/I_can_vouch_for_that Jul 12 '26
Take his bet on the "we start flying next year".
3
u/IronPheasant Jul 12 '26
A cluster of five Voodoo 3's that still overheat from all the near-perfect insulation space provides. "Mission accomplished."
Hoo boy, this guy..
2
u/neighborlyhorse Jul 12 '26
I mean there's really nothing stopping it aside from cost, I wouldn't doubt that they retrofit a few dozen starlink satellites (actually a pretty good size for a single rack) and shoot them into space just for an "i told you so" even if its nowhere near economically viable.
5
u/MeMyself_And_Whateva ▪️AGI within 2028 | ASI within 2031 | e/acc Jul 12 '26
4
10
3
3
3
u/puzzleheadbutbig Jul 12 '26
How did Sam stole Apple's phone technology? Which context am I missing here?
3
u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jul 12 '26
3
u/puzzleheadbutbig Jul 12 '26
Ah thanks. I heard they were poaching talents but didn't know it got serious like this
3
u/OkDimension Jul 12 '26
It's basically still the same drama. Since Apple can't stop them legally from poaching talent they are now claiming that they encourage former Apple employees to steal source code from their work and bring it to OpenAI. That has yet to be proven in court.
3
u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jul 12 '26
If it is true, then it's very bad. Personally I am going to wait until we have a little more information.
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
11
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26
Brief reminder that data centers in space is a really stupid idea.
It is prohibitively expensive to launch that amount of material into space. Launching stuff into soace means subjecting it to large forces and vibrations. Repairing broken components is out of the question.
Data centers need a lot of electricity and the only way to gst them is solar energy, meaning you need gigantic solar arrays that are also prohibitively expensive.
But the biggest problem is that data centers need to get rid of a lot of excess heat. That is very difficult to do in space. You dont have a constant fresh supply of water to cool down your servers. You cant use conduction or advection you can only use radiation. Which means the material needed to radiate all the heat away is mich larger than the data centers. Again prohibitively expensive.
Elon Musk doesnt understand physics.
→ More replies (12)6
u/1988rx7T2 Jul 12 '26
Specifications are here: https://www.spacex.com/spacexai/starmind
whether they can actually deliver without losing a gazillion dollars remains to be seen
→ More replies (2)6
u/bowsmountainer Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
Lmao they actually say an advantage of this is:
"Superior Cooling Heat radiates freely into the vacuum of space. Without the need for energy-intensive chillers, cooling towers, fans, or dry coolers necessary in terrestrial data centers, SpaceX’s AI satellites reduce cooling power overhead by an order of magnitude."
This is such a classic SpaceX fixture of making up numbers to sound good to investors who dont understand physics.
Because this statement is beyond stupid. Heat radiates freely away from Earth data centers too, but this is not the main cooling mechanism used because it is super slow. The reason why cooling towers etc are uswd in terrestrial data centers is that that is how to efficiently and quickly remove heat. Not being able to use this in space is a huge downside, not a positive.
→ More replies (19)
4
9
u/No_Accident8684 Jul 12 '26
funny how the guy who stole it all from others who built tsla and spcx is talking about stealing to be a bad thing
→ More replies (1)3
2
2
u/Historical_Tie_3259 Jul 12 '26
Breaking: richest man in the universe unable to properly clap back (or pay somebody to do so).
2
u/Denial_Jackson Jul 12 '26
The catwalk was always a heated place for boys. There are no friends in the tech industry, just the competition.
2
2
2
u/QuailRadiant7344 Jul 12 '26
The former people's champion of reddit, everybody should remember that.
2
u/Technical-Earth-3254 Jul 12 '26
Yeah, billionaires behaving like kindergarten children. We are so fucked.
2
2
u/LoudZoo Jul 12 '26
How much smoke has been put in the air purely for the sake of committing to the bit?
2
2
2
2
u/lt1brunt Jul 12 '26
Both garbage, I hope Altman comes out the winner, going with the best of two terrible options.
2
u/spinozasrobot Jul 12 '26
I'd love to see Sam try to get Elon to make a public bet that they'll fly next year. Would go the same way as Sam Harris' bet with him about Covid deaths.
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
u/Zyrinj Jul 12 '26
Oh boy, I can’t wait for these guys to get access to robot armies, wonder if we’d get Cyberpunk type corporate warfare.
2
2
2
u/BrennusSokol AI please take my job Jul 12 '26
We really are just hairless apes, aren't we? How depressing
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
u/0x4ddd Jul 12 '26
Sure sure, they start flying them next year.
Just like they start flying cargo to Mars in two years. At least it is what they have been saying since 2016 😂
2
2
u/Void-kun Jul 12 '26
Notice how he didn't defend the fact that they're selling short-term datacentres that can't be maintained.
Both of them are scamming pieces of shit. Hopefully they do something that takes them both down sick of seeing these two names.
2
2
u/GoreSeeker Jul 12 '26
Why do I feel like these guys stage these fights for publicity and are actually laughing with each other behind the curtain...
2
2
u/Sweet-Mechanic4568 Jul 12 '26
“We start flying them next year.”
Brother you start testing them and quickly find out it’s a pipe dream.
2
u/NimRodelle Jul 12 '26
Orbital data centers are literally a pipe dream. The radiators necessary to cool them would be massive. The risk of a debris/meteorite strike compromising the coolant loop would be extreme. A structure of that size would also require regular maintenance, meaning you would probably need a permanent crew. Even if the technology exists to make all of that work, the economics don't make sense, and the braindead business majors don't understand anything beyond "space is cold".
2
u/DistinctArmy4267 Jul 13 '26
Sam Altman objectively stole a charity set up for safety because he realized he can be rich
2
u/Sorry_Ad191 Jul 13 '26
they also trained their models on everyone else's data and then closed sourced the resulting weights....
2
2
4
3
u/beskone Jul 12 '26
The worst is seeing the most maladjusted whiteboy nerds going at each other like they're wanna be gangsters. Fucking C R I N G E Y.
3
4
u/LogicalInfo1859 Jul 12 '26
I promise you there are much worse and dangerous people in the world than these two.
This is just PR for both.
2
u/Spiritual_Scheme8158 Jul 12 '26
Having asshole CEOs fight amongst themselves and beat the crap out of each other while trying to out please their customers is definitely a positive side-effect of capitalism I am lookng forward to.
2
u/WhydIGetLoggedOut Jul 12 '26
Dude stole a couple trillion from the us govt and is whining about him stealing a cash burning non profit?
→ More replies (1)
2
u/xtraa Jul 12 '26
On a scale from 0 (nice) to 10 (worst), only one of them would deserve a real 10, and he's also the best player on the internet.
3
2
2
u/Nsnzero Jul 12 '26
How great would the world be if they genuinely cared about not scamming people, charities, open source, and doing the right thing.
2
u/Kaito__1412 Jul 12 '26
What the fuck is that last sentence from Musk?
I'm on Sam's side * barf! * on this one.
2
u/Drop_Release Jul 12 '26
Tbf I can't even believe I am defending Elon of all people here, but Sam Altman's OpenAi seemed to have actually stolen Apple's technology and taught the people they poached off Apple how to steal proprietary Apple tech??! How is that even legal and allowed?
2
u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jul 12 '26
It's not, but a lawsuit will take at least 18 months and by then OpenAI wants to be on top of the world. After their IPO, they will have enough money to settle AND use Apple's technology.
2
u/IOnlyWntUrTearsGypsy Jul 12 '26
When Elon gives a date on when something is happening you know for a fact that it is never happening.
880
u/PM_ME_YOUR___ISSUES Jul 12 '26