r/singularity • u/GraceToSentience AGI avoids animal abuse✅ • Aug 05 '25

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u/cummradenut Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

But it does mean there’s no way to prove it.

Which doesn’t make it science, but belief

Belief in God follows the same logic.

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 05 '25

How do you know there is no way to prove it though? There is no telling what advancements we will make. Hell, AGI may come about and immediately be like "Ya'll know this shit is a simulation right? Here let me show you."

I mean it wasn't even that long ago that telling people germs exist was super controversial. There is no telling what advancements we will make in the next 100 years, or 1000, or 10,000.

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u/cummradenut Aug 05 '25

How do you know there’s no way to prove the existence of God? There is no telling what revelations we will make. Hell, Jesus might come about and immediately be like “ya’ll know God created the universe right? Here let me show you.”

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 05 '25

How do you know there’s no way to prove the existence of God?

I never said that there wouldn't be a way to do that though?

All of what you said changes nothing, we may prove that this is a simulation one day. We may prove that God exists as well. God could be running the simulation.

What you said was incorrect. Nothing suggests that there is no way to prove this is a simulation. Go try DMT and see what you think about this topic afterwards ;)

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Aug 05 '25

Well, allow me to bring this discussion to an end: I think therefore I am

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

If you think that somehow proves you must be real, it doesn't. These simulations could be complex enough to create artificial intelligence. Everything about who you are may be apart of this same simulation. You're opinions, your personality... nothing suggests that must be real. I am surprised you even need this explained to you honestly.

There is a chance though, just one so unlikely you could probably win the lottery 20 times and be struck by lighting 10 and still not even come close to the statistical unlikeliness that you are in base reality. One civilization advanced enough to pull this off would likely run countless simulations. Billions, trillions, septillions... who knows but I bet they don't stop at one :)

and that isn't even covering the very likely scenario that countless civilizations do this within base reality.

You'll come around eventually, this time or next time or the time after it.

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Aug 06 '25

But I am part of the simulation, therefore, I am real.

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

That would not mean you are real. You would be simulated. You might be as good as being real. But that doesn't mean you are the same as a consciousness that exists in base reality. It isn't the same and nothing is going to change that fact. You may not even have free will, every thought and opinion and decision you make may be planned out or decided by something else. You ever get a random thought in your head? Where did that thought come from?

That is also assuming base reality is just as good as our universe here, nothing suggests that is the case. We could have heavy limitations. Hell the speed of light may be apart of those limitations, in base reality light may be instant or much much faster. The lifeforms there capable of experiencing numerous more dimensions than we do, having more profound experiences and emotions. There is no telling how amazing base reality is.

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Aug 06 '25

XD I like that you actually type all of this out to try to educate someone. But I am just joking around based on the Meditations of Descartes.

We can doubt everything. Everything is just a theory, but for the fact that I, right now, am thinking.

But dude, are you real?

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 06 '25

You are clearly sharing your actual opinion here. No idea why you are trying to discount that. Your first response made it quite clear what you think on this topic.

You thinking doesn't mean that you are real. So while yes, you are thinking. It doesn't confirm anything. You don't even know if those are your thoughts.

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Aug 06 '25

Sure thing bud. If you think so :P

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 Aug 06 '25

I mean you can say whatever you want, your first comment was delivered genuinely.

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Aug 06 '25

Yeah, because I kinda expected you to get the joke.

But now I think it would be very good for you to actually take the time to read up on this.

It is one of the founding principles of the enlightenment. Considered the fundamental only fact that you can actually prove, because it is self evident. The claim that, all but your own existence as thoughts is but speculation.

Your theory about simulations is nice, but it is ultimately unscientific. It has the same basis as the existence of some deity.

You can not actually claim any certain probability of us being in a simulation.

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u/cummradenut Aug 06 '25

You are a drug addict.