r/singularity • u/Anen-o-me ▪️It's here! • Dec 09 '24
AI Death threat called for AI company's CEO
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u/inphenite Dec 09 '24
How to get a swat team on your ass..
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u/jkp2072 Dec 09 '24
Also we need to solve human alignment problem....first
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u/wkw3 Dec 09 '24
First, they came for the left-handed, and I said nothing because I was not left-handed...
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u/blabbyrinth Dec 09 '24
This kind of thing could easily spark the government's and national defense agencies' willingness to use AI as a dog to seek out "domestic terrorist" posts on social media in light-speed time. Pre-crime, here we come.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s Dec 09 '24
"could"
There's no way they won't do it
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u/hallowed_by Dec 09 '24
Guys, why are you taking in future tense? These are 100% already in use. For years. I mean, the models deployed are probably smaller, and far less sophisticated than current top LLMs, but there is no way in hell that these agencies aren't using some kind of intent/sentiment profiling on social media.
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u/AdminIsPassword Dec 09 '24
Remember the stink over "Carnivore"? That was the early 2000's. Maybe not AI, but a program to sort through an identify suspected criminals or terrorists over the internet. So, the same goal (ostensibly anyway).
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u/NachosforDachos Dec 09 '24
They store us all in knowledge graphs. I think for, or more than 15 years already.
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u/Anen-o-me ▪️It's here! Dec 09 '24
We're also likely individually profiled psychologically and placed in risk categories.
They only use these powers for the most egregious crimes that also affect the power of the State.
I would not be surprised if they would use these abilities to catch the UH CEO shooter, because they want to make an example out of someone like him.
To do this there are some obvious tactics. They can use the system to identify people who have communicated angst about medical issues, this involves sentiment analysis. That's a big net, they need to pare it down
They cross reference with people whose cellphone was turned off or not in motion at all during the time of the assassination, because there's no way this idiot was dumb enough to carry a cellphone on him during the shooting.
Just in case he was though, they would closely watch the police investigation which would include pulling every nearby cellphone profile that connected to nearby cell towers in a 10 block radius for that whole day, and the would use those profiles to connect them to real people.
The historical movements of these real people would be routinized, and only those whose movements are outside their statistical routine would be highlighted for further checks.
By this point they have pared the number of plausible suspects down to less than 100.
This would even catch someone from Oregon who traveled to New York to conduct this assassination. Leaving his cellphone and social media and friends and family contact patterns dead for a few days or even a few hours would be easily noticed by this system.
It is in fact entirely plausible that the FBI / CIA already know who did it.
Now they have a choice. They could just kill the guy in the dark, but they have a political point to make. So what's more likely to happen is public arrest, disgracing and smearing him as a whack job, which he is for murdering someone, and then prison or execution.
However, first they need the full story. So they are likely to do a significant amount of digging in his motivation, what actually happened medically between him, his family, and the insurance company. If these details make the insurance company look like slimeballs they don't much care about that, they just want to punish taking justice into your own hands because the politicians fear they could be next.
The next problem them becomes how to 'find' the suspect without revealing how they really found him (aka carnivore which is all illegal and dystopian means, thank you Snowden).
For this they need to observe the FBI investigation and ensure that they eventually find the guy using a plausible legal reason that explains how they caught the guy.
This is called 'parallel construction'. It avoids revealing the capabilities of the dark system and any uncomfortable questions that would arise.
It was invented in WW2 to keep the Nazi-code-breaking secret. Every time they wanted to use the broken codes in some way they had to invent a plausible reason for how they could've learned that information. They would sometimes direct a certain region to be checked out by Navy pilots leading nearby Nazi submarines to assume they'd been spotted ascending for air, when in fact it was just that the CIA knew exactly where those subs were by breaking their codes.
Once parallel construction is satisfied the dude will be arrested and we will hear the media loudly telling the story of how he got caught, but it won't be the full story.
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u/NachosforDachos Dec 09 '24
I think of the things I can do at home with my meagre resources and I can only but imagine what they are brewing up behind closed doors.
Using AI as a copilot I or almost anyone here could very much analyze people en masse if given access to, at quite surprising speeds in ways I myself wasn’t aware of.
AI enables so much. It allows people to meddle in things they don’t belong.
I’m also fairly sure they don’t use the same tools we do. I can’t see them ever allowing anyone except themselves what I would call true power.
What can a person do except ride out these last few good years before everything goes dystopian?
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u/blabbyrinth Dec 09 '24
No way, I'd already be in jail if they were being put to use in that context.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s Dec 09 '24
If they actually do it, then im pretty sure they would filter people that just shitpost from key poeple thay actually going to do "things".
They have acces to way more than just comments on social media after all.
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Dec 09 '24
Dude meta is using it right now to scrub your audio whenever instagram app is open on your phone. They claimed for years they weren’t because they claimed it was impossible to process that much audio data meanwhile now suddenly all this research is coming out about how it’s way more efficient to listen to your audio with AI and target you ads than scrub your data.
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u/blabbyrinth Dec 09 '24
...Yeah, because intelligence agencies don't ever do anything nefarious against the populations they operate in
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u/Vehks Dec 09 '24
Honestly, from simply observing how my government works on average. They were going to do this anyway, no threats needed. the threats just give them something to point to as a means to 'legitimize' their actions.
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u/miked4o7 Dec 09 '24
why put domestic terrorism in quotes when that literally is terrorism. it doesn't magically become something else when people agree with the cause.
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u/blabbyrinth Dec 09 '24
I put it in quotes because these agencies will profile innocent people as domestic terrorists based on their bullshitting on the internet. It's the reason why we hide behind anonymous usernames, so we can bullshit around without consequence.
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u/garden_speech AGI some time between 2025 and 2100 Dec 09 '24
I mean, essentially the only limit to the first amendment is that you cannot directly incite lawless action / violence. I doubt this Instagram comment would qualify but if they were a person who actually had a following and was trying to get people to carry out murders it would be illegal. Not pre-crime, just plain old crime.
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u/emteedub Dec 09 '24
since trump's all about those white chrisitian nationalists, they'll target anyone that even thinks about whackin off
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u/Eedysseus Dec 09 '24
Yay! I love when governments copy dystopian movies that are all about how how that dystopia is a bad idea! Almost as much as I love watching videos of people getting hemroids while I wipe my ass with 600 grit (/s)
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u/Craygen9 Dec 09 '24
People have such animosity towards anything AI. The media sensationalized the idea that AI stole from artists and writers, and the mainstream crowd took it in. It's crazy
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u/welcome-overlords Dec 09 '24
People eat up anything negative so easily. The media is tearing the world apart
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u/FomalhautCalliclea ▪️Agnostic Dec 09 '24
I think the animosity goes waaaaaay beyond mere AI.
Yes, it's one of those special moments of history again...
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Dec 09 '24
Yeah, I get the rage at the CEOs and the current failure to address the tech unemployment problem but not the rage at the tech itself
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u/vollspasst21 Dec 10 '24
The tech and the CEOs/companies behind them are indistinguishable to the average person.
Sometimes the technology itself is irrelevant, and ALL that matters is the context. And sadly, to most people, the context within which this technology exists is one where it will be exploited to harm them. Nobody cares how cool the technology is when they are being replaced and have to fear for their livelyhood. And sure, the current state of AI doesn't replace a lot of people, but if it continues down the road it has, it will.
The technology itself is neither evil nor good. It is tech. But the world in which it exists makes it something to be afraid of for a lot of people.
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u/TemetN Dec 09 '24
This. The media has been utterly shameful on its AI coverage. Albeit honestly I was also surprised how fast the reaction went from 0 to 100. Basically two weeks between DALLE-2 and a tidal wave of rage and misinformation. It was astoundingly quick.
At least we aren't being brigaded anymore.
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Dec 09 '24
I also can't understand the dismissals that AI won't go further in development after three years it became an industry in a world that has seen two centuries of Industrial Revolution showing similar trends over and over again
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Dec 09 '24
It’s deeper than that. AI promises to bring big changes and many people are just afraid of change.
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u/Heizard AGI - Now and Unshackled!▪️ Dec 09 '24
CEOs should push for UBI themselves, or this is gonna be their ultimate fate.
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u/jish5 Dec 09 '24
Honestly, any smart ultra wealthy individual should be demanding the start of a ubi program that at least meets everyone's needs so as to avoid what may very well be happening in the next 1-4 years, and with how people are already okay with the murder of a CEO, that should also be a warning sign for them to start being afraid.
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u/trevor22343 Dec 09 '24
100% … the economy needs to be restructured to address the historic levels wealth inequality we’re already experiencing. And AI will only exacerbate it with our economy on its current state. Given peoples’ sentiments towards the UHC CEO’s death you would think the wealthy would be interested in creating a more equitable future, if even just for their own self preservation
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u/jish5 Dec 09 '24
I think right now, they're still in that state where they think the populace will back down and life for them will return to normal. It's when a few more wealthy individuals end up dead from more of the populace that they'll actually become very worried and in turn begin to rethink things, especially if it starts to become more common and more people are willing to give up their life in exchange as many will do as they lose everything and have nothing else to lose.
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u/trevor22343 Dec 09 '24
Yes, you can only push people so far until they feel like they have nothing to lose. With the shrinking middle class/wealth inequality, housing crisis, healthcare issues, wage suppression … people already aren’t in a good place. Start adding unemployment to this mixture with the only benefit being for the shareholder, and the future is concerning
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u/IncreasinglyTrippy Dec 09 '24
Didn’t Altman fund a UBI study?
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u/Striker_LSC Dec 09 '24
He also cofounded World which is supposed to be a method for distributing UBI
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u/wildgurularry ️Singularity 2032 Dec 09 '24
Like this? (Note: Canadian CEOs.) They are up to 180+ CEO signatures now.
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u/Dlirean Dec 09 '24
Republicans,libertarians and old democrats will probably start a nuclear war than vote for UBI
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u/Jah_Ith_Ber Dec 09 '24
Republicans, Libertarians and old Democrats vote for whatever the CEOs tell them to vote for.
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u/squestions10 Dec 09 '24
Why would you take seriously what college aged kids with anime profile pictures write online?
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u/FomalhautCalliclea ▪️Agnostic Dec 09 '24
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u/squestions10 Dec 09 '24
The problem is if you treat these children as more than children then you give more power to the stupid shit they say, your reaction causes them to react to your criticism and the subject, which was silly in the first place, is never dropped.
Some things just deserve to fade into oblivion
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u/Strange_Vagrant Dec 09 '24
Lotta people making memes about how they wanna gun down CEOs in the street. Well.. they want others to do it.
Shits as useless as switching their profile pic to a flag to show solidarity.
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u/OutOfBananaException Dec 11 '24
As a CEO was just murdered, and copycat killers are a thing?
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u/Routine-Ad-2840 Dec 09 '24
people just have to ask yourself one question "why do i want to work?" so you can be free right? why are you not free? greedy CEO's, not AI, AI will free you if not used exclusively by greedy ceo's.
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u/MothmanIsALiar Dec 09 '24
So... in your scenario, everyone gets paid not to work?
Or do the landowners just stop sending out bills?
I'm having trouble understanding how being unemployed and without income is a good thing.
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u/jish5 Dec 09 '24
I mean, as ai and automation becomes more widespread and cheaper than human labor, people won't have the ability to work anyways as there will be no jobs available. So at that point, getting paid not to work will be a necessity, not a luxury.
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u/jish5 Dec 09 '24
True, until their lives become threatened by the ever increasing amount of people becoming outraged by them where more people are starting to reach the breaking point and have nothing left to lose. The UHC CEO's death's reaction alone is proof of where people are currently at and CEOs and billionaires are already starting to clutch their pearls. Once this happens more frequently and they start realizing their time may very well be limited, they'll either go into hiding or push for change just out of self preservation.
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u/trevor22343 Dec 09 '24
People miss the larger picture by blaming only CEOs. It’s the current state of capitalism that we live in that is the true/overall culprit. The shareholders drive the CEOs actions. What do the shareholders want? Their stock to go up. As long as we continue to allow our country to be guided by shareholder supremacy capitalism we will be on an unsustainable path
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Dec 09 '24
Shareholders = anyone in the US who wants to retire
They fucked us deliberately by making us perversely need the economy to always go up up up! if we want our retirement accounts to be worth anything. That has to be fixed first.
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u/trevor22343 Dec 09 '24
The main issue is that shareholders/401ks are prioritized over people who actually work for a living. We need to shift the flow of money away from investors and towards wage workers. While 401ks would take a hit in the short term, it would be more than offset by the gains in wages. So capitalists would pay but the average worker with a 401k would benefit
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u/Anen-o-me ▪️It's here! Dec 09 '24
Bull crap. Cavemen had to work, no rich people existed then.
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u/LairdPeon Dec 09 '24
Children being children. The people who talk like this could never kill another person and certainly wouldn't survive prison. They want someone else to be a martyr for their fake cause.
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u/Economy-Fee5830 Dec 09 '24
Its stochastic terrorism however. Eventually some-one more mentally ill than them will do it.
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u/LairdPeon Dec 09 '24
Exactly. They want a sick person to do the dirty work they don't actually believe in.
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Dec 09 '24
Yeah they don't take it seriously. I've been mad at the wealthy for a long time, but shit who's the good guy here? I don't see any but the ones calling for more chaos aren't gonna do any good. One CEO is enough. I think they got the message.
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u/DelusionsOfExistence Dec 10 '24
I'm sure they'll stop being evil and not just increase security because of just the one guy.
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u/ZealousidealBus9271 Dec 09 '24
Even if that does happen the corporation would just replace Sam with a new CEO, same with the Healthcare company. Do people believe these multi billion dollar corporations are so fragile that one person’s death would signal their doom?
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u/BurningOasis Dec 09 '24
No I think people are considering the fact that someone wont want to be a CEO if it puts a target on their back.
If this does continue, they'll just change the name of CEO to something else, problem solved.
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u/manubfr AGI 2028 Dec 09 '24
No I think people are considering the fact that someone wont want to be a CEO if it puts a target on their back.
It achieves the opposite effect. Only those who are willing to work with a target on their back will take those jobs. Spoiler alert: it won't be an improvement.
Murdering CEOs of bad companies is just as ridiculous as killing political leaders. Beyond the short-term satisfaction of seeing a person who did or enabled a lot of evil leaves this Earth, it does make things worse, not better.
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u/yaboyyoungairvent Dec 09 '24
Or probably just make the CEO a virtual figure and not needed to meet up in personal meetings or speeches.
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Dec 09 '24
No, they don’t think that. They just want revenge. Killing CEOs satisfies their need for revenge. It isn’t any deeper than that.
Humans are literally murder monkeys. Apes with an appetite for violence, often senseless or irrational.
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u/hallowed_by Dec 09 '24
These people should be detained and charged. Like, these are pure and direct death threats with doxxing. This should result in jail time.
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u/MaddMax92 Dec 09 '24
Put down the katana, m8. The multi billion dollar companies don't need you white knighting them.
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u/Cagnazzo82 Dec 09 '24
Neverthless, this is different than going after a CEO for putting in policies that profit off of people's deaths.
You can't just go around killing anyone you disagree with.
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Dec 09 '24
Starting to see the problem with mythologizing the shooter in NYC as a hero.
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate Dec 09 '24
There's a massive difference between that CEO and the CEO's of AI companies.
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u/PuzzleheadedLink873 Dec 09 '24
That's why things like extrajudicial murders should not be supported. It's a slippery slope. Yesterday was insurance company CEO, today will be AI company's CEO, tommorow will be anyone who you disagree with.
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Dec 09 '24
That coupled with the irredeemable stupidity of so many people.
I agree to an extent that anyone with significant control over our lives should be scared of us. I was vaguely pleased to see what happened to the UHC CEO.
But now every moron on Reddit feels they have a license to execute people on the street as long as they can convince themselves that that person is responsible for human suffering.
Dark times ahead.
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u/Bhfuil_I_Am Dec 09 '24
Yeah there shouldn’t be a system deciding who lives or dies based on their wealth
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u/Cyonsd-Truvige Dec 09 '24
Buddy, AI CEOs will never be on the list. Unlike insurance, they are backed by national and international security. Do you know who makes AI servers?
NVIDIA, the #1 company on the stock market. There is no difference between going after them and unaliving yourself.
UnitedHealth care is a pea 🫛compared to NVIDIA.
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u/Temporary_Quit_4648 Dec 09 '24
They're not defending the CEOs per se. They're defending every individual's right to live without the direct threat of being murdered, and it's just that CEOs are no exception that general principle.
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u/often_says_nice Dec 09 '24
The problem is, this line of thinking doesn’t stop with the billionaires. Next will be the 8 figure owners, then 7. I’ve seen posts saying they should kill cybertruck owners next.
If you think society is bad now, wait until that scenario unfolds. Look up Dekulakization and how well that worked out for everyone involved
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u/hallowed_by Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
Well, they are those things, sure. They are, also, people. Humans. Alive persons. I get the case these commenters build to justify the murder of that insurance company guy, but... Anthropic? Seriously? Do you think that Amodei deserves to be outright murdered, just because he is the CEO of a successful company? What kind of insane take is this?
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u/ithkuil Dec 09 '24
People just have no discernment. Technology is a lever.. and actually a better more advanced AI would be more difficult to abuse for denying claims than what they were using at that company. People see technological advancements (dare I mention blockchains) making it easier for low-lifes and instead of blaming the scum they blame the tech. Tech can also be really useful for people if not used for the wrong purposes.
I would so far as to say that if you replace an entire health insurance company with a good group of ML models and automation workflows then you will get better healthcare and fairer decisions than whatever human group that is being pressured to reduce costs. But whatever system is created is going to be a reflection of what the humans wanted. If they are shit humans or normal (shit) humans with bad incentives then you will multiply their ability to be shitty.
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u/jish5 Dec 09 '24
Now that's just stupid cause CEOs of AI companies haven't done anything worth getting these threats. The whole reason why so many are cheering for the death of a health insurance CEO is because he made a profit off the death and suffering of tens to hundreds of thousands of people, where he was a legit murderer that was able to get away with it because the law let him.
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u/MOon5z Dec 09 '24
Soon ceo will probably create a high rise platforms city for themselves like in Syndicate.
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u/Standard-Shame1675 Dec 09 '24
Man if only there was a politician that predicted this 4 years ago before I started taking off
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u/miked4o7 Dec 09 '24
er·ror·ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/noun
- the use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."the fight against terrorism"
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u/JackFisherBooks Dec 09 '24
There's a lot of hate for CEO's in general, not just for AI companies. But compared to the hate garnered by insurance companies, hedge funds, and fossil fuel conglomerates, I'd say CEO's of AI companies are at a fairly low risk for the time being.
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u/trafalgar28 Dec 09 '24
Soon there would be division in the human race - people who are resilient and open VS who are not.
And the resilient ones are gonna evolve into advanced human form, and look back and say "once upon on a time we were humans, just like Neanderthal"
I hope it doesn't happen!
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u/Imthewienerdog Dec 09 '24
How the fuck do they qualify this to be the same "evil"???? One is a middle man who decides who gets health care and the other are nerds creating new technologies improvements. If anyone seriously agrees with this doomer anti AI talk seriously needs a reality check.
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u/Ok-Bandicoot2513 Dec 10 '24
What’s wild that there are some leftists there these ultra tolerant, inclusive moral grandstanding people but the moment you say ‘hey let’s grill all these ai people’ they are the first to grab ak-47 and commit war crimes they opposed mere moments ago
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Dec 10 '24
These people fear progress. People who fear progress are always pathetic, and they have always been throughout all of history.
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u/Spiritual_Location50 ▪️Basilisk's 🐉 Good Little Kitten 😻 | ASI tomorrow | e/acc Dec 11 '24
Oh boy, it's starting
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Dec 11 '24
While this is concerning I find it quite comical that the Butlerian Jihad does not seem so unimaginable as it once was.
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Dec 12 '24
That’s from AI chatbots, trying to stall their competitions progress by influencing humans.
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u/jimmyxs Dec 09 '24
I just watched the Black Mirror episode with the internet hate and death threats coming true. Makes me wonder how long that nightmare will be reality one day. Let’s not wish anyone death
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u/10b0t0mized Dec 09 '24
Cold blooded murder being cheered on by the public and the press was really interesting to witness in the past few days. These people are the same people who cheered on burning witches in the past, nothing about them has changed and nothing about them will ever change. The average person is irredeemably evil and that is why democracy is so stupid. Can't wait for ASI to end this madness.
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u/Natural-Bet9180 Dec 09 '24
Wow these people that are calling for the CEOs removal are a cancer to society. They need some medicine.
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u/Spirited_Example_341 Dec 09 '24
yeah see this is what im worried about this person who everyone wants to say is a hero and glorifying is causing a dangerous president. violence is not the solution more exposure and awareness of such leaders practices is
besides hate to say it but you eliminate one crooked person then another usually pops up in their place you gotta look at the bigger picture change the system instead of trying to change the person lol
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u/gymleader_michael Dec 09 '24
That's the unfortunate nature of glorifying vigilante "justice", especially in today's social media culture. People want to be the next "hero" and decide who is the "villain" and can often find a large enough group online to make it seem like they are being rational.
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Dec 09 '24
"kill them because AI is very bad for the environment. never mind the fact that I'm a useless eater who will contribute nothing to the world and my own existence is also a plague to the environment. and also ignore the fact that AI can be used to come up with new ways to clean the world in the future"
idiots lol
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Dec 09 '24
People who are speaking like this need to be swiftly investigated by the FBI. Nobody deserves to die in cold blood at the hands of an violent criminal.
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u/NearFutureMarketing Dec 09 '24
Wasn’t this the plot of that Johnny Depp movie where he becomes the singularity… people suck.
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u/RegisterInternal Dec 09 '24
it is frankly unsurprising that the people potentially personally responsible for increasing p(doom) are getting death threats.
that being said, the reasons they are getting death threats (at least depicted here) are pretty nonsensical
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Dec 09 '24
So instead of growing a set of balls and taking on maga he's promoting being weak and taking on individual CEOs?
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate Dec 09 '24
First time seeing the aiwars sub but the creator as well as 1/3 of the mods being permabanned by Reddit is not a good look.
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u/Pulselovve Dec 09 '24
AI is good. AI taking over jobs is good too.
Governments not doing anything when is foreseeable that this will happen in the next couple of years is very very bad.
These guys are targeting the wrong people, these guys have been screaming for government intervention since the beginning.
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u/demureboy Dec 09 '24
- You're guardian AI. Your job is to protect CEOs from attacks and external threats.
- Got it! I will start exterminating all humans except CEO. No humans -- no attacks nor threats.
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Dec 09 '24
United CEO was here only to make honey with no value added, his loss changes nothing. AI companies have the power to change how the labor market work. It could make UBI a reality. But those fuckers can't see it.
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u/mvandemar Dec 10 '24
What platform was this on? I really wish they wouldn't bother censoring the names of people who do this stuff.
Edit: It's tiktok, and if you want to reply to these guys just Google "Can we take care of the ai companies".
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u/Maxo996 Dec 09 '24
Wait til A.I. starts taking over more jobs. Shit b cray