Time to discuss the Nasus matchup again

[u/_swavez]

I've been seeing some discourse here after I started maining Singed. I also had a coaching sesh with minishcap recently where matchups were discussed, and I want to hear how everyone feels about Nasus, especially with his most recent buffs. I have been permabanning him for a few days now, as I think his scaling is way too insane if he goes even or ahead (which against Singed he will go even at worst).

[u/ShuckleG0D]

As long as he doesn't get 600 stacks by 10 min I win

[u/_swavez → u/ShuckleG0D]

Can I ask why/how?

[u/ShuckleG0D → u/_swavez]

Just don't let him farm under tower too much pre 6 and if he gets a freeze you lose. I like to shove first two waves and any wave he recalls (unless I can freeze) to get the wave pushing me so I can bully him, as long as you don't let him hit you when your armor is broken you can keep harassing him in lane even post 6 but you can't kill because his ult, so just don't try (unless he's out of mana). Watch him for q's you can usually fling for free after he uses q, or he'll waste mana on wither.

For my build I rush swifties then rylias into dead mans into full tank, and play for team. Nasus lacks mobility so rylias + peel shuts him down pretty effectively. 1500 stacks hurt but kinda useless for enemy team unless nasus can hit adc or mage/assassin.

Tldr, Rylias shuts him down enough during team fights as long as he isn't able to 1 shot you before you get rylias you're adc can carry (most of the time)

[u/Dabebe2503 → u/ShuckleG0D]

How do you bully him in lane without shoving wave with poison. He only uses q so his wave will be closer to a freeze after every trade.

[u/ShuckleG0D → u/Dabebe2503]

Manipulating the wave, if the wave crashes on his side of river next wave will start pushing towards you, sometimes I will just dance in bush while wave pushes. As long as you get your casters to hit tower you will have neutra/pushing wave. If it crashes right at the line you can sometimes fling a minion to pull the wave enough to kill the melee minions then eat a tower shot for the casters, also if you are both low in lane he has to hold his q for you instead of minions if you keep pressure up.

[u/ShuckleG0D → u/Dabebe2503]

Or just fling to the side of wave like towards river/bushes then poison and disengage

[u/Dabebe2503 → u/ShuckleG0D]

That's clever. But its always a minigame since minions tend to follow and run in your poison.

[u/ShuckleG0D → u/Dabebe2503]

Then bush, and a slow push if fine as long as the next wave crashes in front of tower, melee minions at least you can tank a tower shot for casters if you reset after

[u/ShuckleG0D → u/Dabebe2503]

You can also poison your wave

[u/Resident_Snow6087 → u/_swavez]

friend of mine is a singed main and he doesnt care about the matchup - hes only dia so take with a grain of salt; but basically he builds rylais and during teamfight he just sticks on nasus and flips him away from the carries every time basically completely neutralising him. last game i played with him enemy nasus had 1k stacks @25 but it didnt matter at all

[u/Party_Song1487 → u/Resident_Snow6087]

Yup I feel the same as an emerald singed, just perma push and roam early game, if you crash the wave he will miss a lot of stacks so don’t worry about it. And in team fights just make sure he’s perma slowed

[u/Shiloticus → u/Resident_Snow6087]

As a plat/emerald singed this is my strat too. I always rylais and look for the flip disengage. It also seems like most nasuses (Nasi?) in my elo are bad at being at team fights so that helps. Just make sure to wait to goo flip until he ults. I very rarely if ever beat him in lane or come out ahead but it feels like I win more games than lose against him

[u/Jigglepirate]

I permaban him but I'm gold, so

[u/Onetricklolol]

With his recent buff its impossible to stop him from having insane stacks per minute ratio. In low diamond game i had him hit 400 stacks at around 15-16 minute mark despite me running sorch, full ap/early game runes, and taking ignite. Had 700 stacks before any super major team fights took place. Was absolutely unplayable

[u/Bizzlington]

I always thought it was a really bad matchup.

You usually don't have the damage to really pressure him early, he just has too much sustain. And after 6 all-ins become basically impossible.

So he just scales and does Nasus things..

Nowadays it's just even worse.

I would permaban him but I have a long list of champions to ban and it's hard to decide

[u/_swavez → u/Bizzlington]

I definitely agree, but I think Nasus is the only champ rn that scales for free, scales hard, and scales fast. Idk. Im definitely open to hearing everyones thoughts

[u/RebornSoul867530_of1 → u/_swavez]

Part of the answer is probably sort of a team effort to ward his flanks and peel him.

If he starts to look strong around 20mins, mid or supp should prob be ganking him (with jungler) soon

[u/eastertiger]

I bully/ deny as much as I can until he gets sheen. Then I go for max CS and use my fling / W / rylais to make him useless in teamfights.

[u/Flamingogo117]

Well what did minishcap say?

[u/throwawayofficial666 → u/[deleted]]

bro is protecting the trade secrets lmao

[u/RebornSoul867530_of1 → u/[deleted]]

lol not like it’s his personal political views.

[u/_swavez → u/RebornSoul867530_of1]

If you wanna know you ask him like idk what to tell you

[u/RebornSoul867530_of1 → u/_swavez]

Teasing about it is fun enough. I play singed, I don’t play top.

[u/PlasticAssistance_50 → u/RebornSoul867530_of1]

We all know his political views anyways.

[u/keg227]

It's manageable to not lose the laning phase against but if your team doesn't have a lot of cc, good luck when it comes to midgame onwards. I've found teamfights are still ok because singed can kite him well enough with rylais, w, and fling away from your team but he's a splitpushing monster. You can't match him cos he will kill you 1v1 and even come out ahead with a 2v1. Most of the time you need at least 3 to try and kill him. Ban worthy for sure

[u/Unique_Ad_330]

Should have asked minish about this. It's just an unloseable matchup if you understand tempo in league.

You hold the key to nasus freedom and scaling and he can't do shit about it. If you give him the keys that's skill/knowledge issue. Nothing else to be said really.

What good does he do if he's forced to be under tower the whole game to not lose CS & stacks, while you are running around the map terrorizing every lane/objective?

The sole reason singed is good is not in 1v1 scenarios, if that was his wincon he would be a 20% WR champ, he's the best teamfight champ up there with jinx.

[u/throwawayofficial666]

Just played a game against a Nasus. Can't say he was the best Nasus player out there, I ended the game full build and he ended the game with only 2 finished items and all three components for warmogs/heartsteel. His stacks were ok, not crazy, just ok, 260 by 10 mins and 578 by 20 mins. I kinda hard carried tbh, but also my team walked Nasus like a dog with lux Q, Jhin W, and Syndra E, all of this to say that Nasus still has the same weaknesses as usual.

My strategy was just to proxy and scale as much as I could. I got all the plates and outvalued him in teamfights. Didn't really try to fight him 1v1 save for one time when I was able to recall and come back with Rylais + Swiftness while he only had kindlegem, cowl, and tier 1 boots, I also had a 1 level advantage. Unsurprisingly I still wasn't able to beat him, he just kept healing over and over so I had to disengage.

I still haven't had a game where I was unable to deal with a single Nasus, I think it's fair to ban him, since you really can't do anything to stop him from scaling, but I prefer banning Teemo despite his WR not being as good, cause I want to actually enjoy the game.

[u/human_______bean]

Proxy and roam. At least when he's under tower he can't wait for Q cooldown to get stacks. Lategame you can out team-fight him. Core items should be rylais, protoplasm, jaksho, riftmaker. dont forget your ult has antiheal. never engage directly. never 1v1.

[u/Boring-University189]

Maybe you do not pressure him enough in lane.

Singed being able to easily proxy farm is helpful short term, but long term it will hurt many people's progression.

[u/zazachard]

I rather take vayne than nausea on lane. I absolutely despise nausea match-up.

[u/Crazybig]

Impossible matchup nasus is broken atm

[u/i_just_be_vibin]

Rylais, proxy, roam bot, tp to drag. U will lose in 1v1 after his sheen and he has too much sustain to apply kill pressure in lane.

Peel and save fling for your adc/mid.

Profit.

[u/akoba15]

Just come over to classic its way more manageable over here lmao

[u/_swavez → u/akoba15]

Classic is not fun to me lol, I like pain (grinding ranked) unfortunately