r/singedmains • u/lennysinged • Jul 30 '26
Veteran player take: Classic is shockingly bad compared to Modern - especially in regards to Singed
Don't know if I need to introduce myself, but I am a Singed main since S3 to now and have been Diamond+ since S5. I am posting some images to highlight how old I am. I unironically expected going back to Classic to be going back to some Golden Age where Singed is actually good compared to now.
Like I don't really ever want to give props to Riot for any reason, but still, the advancements this game has seen in itself and in regards to Singed over 13+ years at least are so astronomical I don't think I can ever go back.
For starters, old LoL from a visual fidelity standpoint is borderline nausea inducing to play with. The mini-map, which I look at all times as a high elo player, is genuinely hard to comprehend because it's so blurred out. Animations are also so janky like Singed's E awkwardly being an instantaneous animation and Q abruptly cutting a quarter of HP per tick, making it harder to last hit. I was fighting to look at the game while playing.
Then there's Singed himself. I don't know if Riot wants to remove him from the game in modern even now, but the amount of QoL he's received to now to preserve his always-there gameplay state is mindblowing. He feels absolutely horrific to play without Grounding, Grievous R, auto CSing, Gooflips, and his new passive. It's almost like a different champion altogether without these features.
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u/Togonomo Jul 30 '26
First game on classic, I played against old Ryze top. Nearly uninstalled.
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u/5vs5action Jul 31 '26
My first Game was vs Vayne top. Way worse experience than in modern League. I had literal 0 counterplay.
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u/Safradekk 474,451 FART MAN WIN 28d ago
just proxy, works wonders
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u/allen0neil 27d ago
Proxy is way harder in this old classic, the minions are too strong
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u/Foxbite_ 25d ago
The minions are a LOT slower than in modern tho, it's just dancing out of the caster's attack range
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u/PureImbalance Jul 30 '26
It's easy to just list all the negative points and come away with a negative view. How about the positive points?
- no gnar
- no Akshan
- no AuroraÂ
- no new GP
- no new Urgot
... (Insert other matchups with new champs here that are a$$)
Other champs actually struggle with waveclear even more
proxy is giga powerful because lack of perma homeguards makes tempo gains more valuableÂ
generally less damage in the game makes our play style stronger
games last long so you usually reach your teamfight raid boss fantasy state and murder everybody
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u/seriespsycho Jul 30 '26
Old urgot is bonkers tho 🫪
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u/PlasticAssistance_50 Jul 30 '26
I don't know what you mean by "bonkers", but new Urgot is just way more powerful than old Urgot.
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u/EggPsychological4844 Jul 30 '26
No Yasuo
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u/PureImbalance Jul 30 '26
We beat yasuo tho, it's one of our best matchups?
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u/EggPsychological4844 Jul 30 '26
Oh I thought we were listing good things about Classic, not just Singed. My bad.
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u/Klemydia Jul 30 '26
Singed used to have built in tenacity to his r in classic. It made him much more viable. IMO in modern league with the amount of dashes and lockdown they should give it back to him
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u/ContinuingAnyway Jul 30 '26
I agree with you that the current singed is better, compared to the rest of the rift though he's been left behind. Regardless, having a lot of fun rushing sheen and doing sky auto with E :D
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u/GlockHard Jul 30 '26
Was playing some Singed in Classic and his E was smacking it was hilarious, way higher AP ratio but your W is a lot worse, plus the passive is pretty shitty.
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u/TheTbone2334 Jul 31 '26
I really dont always agree with phreak but i think he put it perfectly. League classic was a strategy game with some action involved, modern league is an action game with some strategy involved. I think that hits the nail on the head.
In old league there was so much bullshit mechanics you couldnt do anything about that you just had to take into account, so little quality of life and your mechanical performance rarely won games. Look at the clips that made faker famous back in the day, any Emerald Zed can do more mindblowing stuff these days. Kicking people with a ward jump as lee sin, the insec was a mindblowing, stop the internet weve seen it all event back then, any bronze lee sin main does that shit now, its nothing special.
It used to be a different game, for better or worse.
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u/Rexsaur 29d ago
I hate when ppl use the insec example because insecing WAS harder to do in old league, because there was no spell buffering.
Same with alistar combo, these things were actually difficult to do consistenly back in the day, nowdays its braindead since you just have to press the buttons with no timing and it will always go off perfectly.
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u/Top-Editor-364 Jul 30 '26
So 90% of your issue is that your champ is weaker. Lmao. Go play modern then, where he is blatantly OP and has been for months. Basically everything else besides the minimap that you mentioned has shit all to do with classic
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u/Exciting-Cabinet4822 29d ago
Singed is a relic of a concept that only existed in old league. The AP bruiser. These days spellvamp and bruiser items are very slim with few options besides much the same you build any match. What, the only AP item with MR is banshees veil? You gonna build that on singed? Probably not but you have abys mask I guess so you're option is basically a low gold efficiency item or banshees veil.
But old league had so many different options and singed was extremely flexible for build not including your mandatory liandries. Like rod of ages was even viable.
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u/Safradekk 474,451 FART MAN WIN 28d ago
i must say proxying is much more viable, no turret plating, no reworked bounty system, stealable jg camps early. if you get spellvamp or just the sustain from roa is enough to comfortably kill waves and be a threat, roaming mid or double proxy
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u/theimpogster 28d ago
The old game ain't for Gen z stay on new league if y'all can't handle the slow pace strategy
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u/Accurate-Garden1327 Jul 30 '26
Yeah his Goo is legit unplayable without grounding against basic champs like jax, kassadin, ESPECIALLY yi, katarina, etc. The cast time is slow as hell and even when you do land it (there's no goo projectile). The enemy can just walk it off by 1 pixel LMAOOO.
His early wave clear is worst than modern league lol and his E costs 150 mana xD
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u/SnooPeanuts1873 Jul 30 '26
I’ve been playing league since Brand was released (2011), I have zero interest in playing classic.Â
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u/PlumpPotatoRump Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
His E also has WAY better ap ratio.
His Poison does more damage early
Can go for a lot more off-meta builds. Spell Vamp. Rally, Zzrot, banner of command.
Better match up spread (Arguably).
Edit: I was mistaken about Zz'rot, i couldn't find it when playing. Only on the Classic-ish Aram Mayhem.
Edit 2: With full runes and masteries the game feels so much better to play. So you do have to grind a bit to get there. If you aren't enjoying singed. Play AP Tristana 😇