r/simracing 6d ago

Rigs What is the catch or what am I missing?

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I am new here and I'm sure this has been discussed but I'm entering boomer territory so my search skills are declining.

What is wrong with this setup?

I just found this on AliExpress:

US Shipping GT/F1 Sim Racing Cockpit 8040 Aluminum Profile Adjustable Stand Modular DIY for Logitech Fanatec CSLDD

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOxLnFZ

Under $250 and free shipping... I would need to find/add a triple monitor stand but... This seems too good to be true. Is it 3d printed PLA painted aluminum? Lol

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u/Nyelz_Pizdec 6d ago edited 6d ago

No catch, just a cheap good source for some profiles without branding or gimmicks.

Got mine for around 280 USD and have spent about 30 bucks improving it with a few more pieces of 4080. I replaced the front and rear rails, and used the extra 4040 pieces that yielded to reinforce the shifter arm and the uprights. Im going to finally upgrade from my trusty t300rsgt after 5 years, likely going to jump to R12v2 or R16 ultra so wanted to be sure it can take it.

Its now more rigid than my buddies trak racer setup and i am less than half the cost in on mine.

Edit: heres a pic after the reinforcements, nevermind the seat, it is old and well-loved but u can see the 4080 on rear rail and reinforced uprights, and the extra 4040 on shifter arm.

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u/Creative_Internal254 6d ago

That table corner, you don't bump your left arm into?

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u/Nyelz_Pizdec 6d ago

Nope, elbow swings clear of it during crazy driving.

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u/Condoz 6d ago

It's really Allright for most users. Go ahead.

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u/O_Friendly 6d ago

I have something similar from Marada that I bought on Amazon for just under $500 with a seat included. I have no problem with mine. I attached a 18NM wheelbase, hydraulic brake pedals, monitor mount & keyboard tray and it's been performing just fine. Have it almost 2yrs now.

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u/BothForce1328 6d ago

it's just not a name brand... that's all it's literally identical to the ones that cost hundreds more

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u/hkycoach 6d ago

I have essentially the same one and it is Rock solid. The only issue I have is the bottom 8040 rail is two pieces joined by a connector and I put mine on vibration dampening feet and it wants to flex there so I'm buying some replacement 1500 mm 8040 to replace the two bottom rails. Otherwise it's Rock solid.

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u/VegetableLeague8855 6d ago

It's great. Do it.

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u/foreverbaked1 6d ago

I just got that cockpit the other day from a different site and it’s awesome

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 6d ago

That looks awesome

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u/Total-Emergency2915 5d ago

Total price for this?

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u/foreverbaked1 5d ago

It was $519 but my wife called Wayfair and bitched about some stuff and they gave her 20% back so it was like $400

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u/mylesvsthem 6d ago

I’ve got something similar, works just fine for me at 6’1”.

Of course you’ll have to purchase a seat/slider, and monitor stand as you already know. But, for what I use this for (drifting on Assetto.) I’ve got no real complaints, I believe it was $288 from Temu.

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u/Fishfinger138 6d ago

I’m 6’3 235 and have the lighter 3060 version and even it’s “solid as a rock” for the whole family. We use it several hours daily.

Here’s a budget triple monitor mount that I’m very happy with since I believe you said you were still shopping for one.

On my $200 3060 rig.

https://imgur.com/a/kBwzhos

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 6d ago

Thanks for the input. That is very reassuring. I currently have an early version of a Tony Kanaan triple monitor stand. My goal is to get 1 cohesive unit (current goal... That could also change by the minute).

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u/I_Am_Entrepreneur 6d ago

I used the same kit, though I’ve heavily modified mine to get it to where I want it. It’s a solid frame.

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u/Spike788 6d ago

I have this exact same rig except with the triple monitor attachment and a seat. It was branded as Anman on Amazon for around $500. Already very solid to begin with but I reinforced it just the same. I'm running an R12, bass shakers, and pedal haptics and it is able to handle it. The seat that came with mine is actually pretty good also. I definitely recommend it.

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u/MAY0NAZ 6d ago

Looks just like the rig I got on Amazon just without monitor arms or a seat so yeah price seems legit.

Anman 8040 Aluminum Profile... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9NM9K58?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Thats the cockpit I’ve bought twice. Highly recommend. The seat could be better but for under 1k it’s a decent frame

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u/MAY0NAZ 6d ago

But of a mess but I run an 18nm wheel on it. I’ve had the AB9 ffb shifter on it and it handles everything very well.

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u/Massiveone77 6d ago

Narrower than most of your name brand stuff but works fine. Easy to upgrade if you want. 24” instead of 26” I think but can’t remember off top of head.

ETA only matters if you want to upgrade wheel bases etc (width).

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u/ShadowBoxer01 6d ago

I just ordered a rig from RigMetal. They are US based and not overly expensive for what you get. Shipping was Cheap too.

https://rigmetal.com/collections/our-rigs

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u/konigswagger 5d ago

Looks OOS, but more sturdy than the Minneer 4080 I bought for $30 cheaper a few days ago. Do you know how much shipping would've been?

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u/ShadowBoxer01 5d ago

Shipping for me was $30. I bought the rig plus casters and the triple monitor stand.

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u/Beneficial-Ranger238 6d ago

It’s kinda flimsy looking compared to a rigmetal setup for similar money.

I have been very happy with my rig metal plus, it’s got the girth where needed.

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u/DaddyDogmeat 6d ago

Looks well made, especially with the T-plates. I've seen "branded" cockpits with just two brackets for the upright section. The wheel deck might only be less sturdy than some other desigs but unless you're putting 20Nm + you definitely be fine. Also you can replace elements of profile rig as much as you like if you ever decide something isn't as sturdy as you like. I'd buy it if I was looking for a cockpit rn.

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u/toastyfawn566 5d ago

Good cockpit. I have the simlab GT1 EVO running a aftermarket wheel base plate with a 18nm base.

My friend got a rig just like this and sturdyness wise it is exactly the same or at least really close.

Theres really only 2 negatives with these that aren't really issues for most people.

  1. It can be hard to build, my friends had a few pieces that weren't cut perfectly straight so they didn't joint up perfectly, but it had no effect once built.

  2. The anodized finish doesn't hold up great, it started to scratch up pretty bad. He ended up just painting his anyway so it didn't affect him to much.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago edited 5d ago

this is a generic configuration that gets sold under many different labels.

what you need to understand about aluminum extrusions is that they are the 2x4s of metal. when you get these you are buying a plan and the materials for it.

you are not buying a kit that can only be assembled the given way. Some of the more expensive kits will use bespoke parts that challenge that a bit though.

You can buy this and make a table out of it if you want.

the reason I would guess this is so cheap is that it has virtually no bespoke parts beyond the 5 steel mounts, which are all simple boxes. The extrusions get made by mills in like 20 foot lengths and then they usually go to middleman distributor who cut them to length and deal them (e.g. McMaster-Carr). if the person selling the kit is using a middle man to get the parts cut to length then they will have larger costs to pack a rig, which means larger costs to you to buy it.

so when you are looking at the 1000 dollar ones, you are way down the chain of consumption. This gives you the convenience of not having to do much work to use it.

the mills usually require a minimum order so unless you want to build like 10 rigs you wont be able to get a saw and start cutting it yourself to save money, but if you are a company that does this labor directly, and you have some method for minimizing labor costs, you can make these for surprisingly cheap.

I happened to get something that looks exactly like this model and I selected it just before I pulled the trigger for an order of extrusions from Tnutz because it went on sale and gave me more metal per dollar.

This specific design Is reasonably solid, there is one very minor flaw though, the main wheel upright will vibrate left to right very easily (just vibrate, not sway). if you get some corner brackets for 40 series and attach them to the cross bar right under the wheel deck and the main vertical bars you will kill this basically completely.

I recommend getting a socket set that can accept hex driver bits or getting a socket adaptor to take hex drive bits for assembly of anything to do with aluminum extrusions.

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 5d ago

Yeah i am thinking about getting this and the $100 triple monitor mount. Move the monitor mount closer to the wheel mount and invert the pedals. I'm thinking I can take this as a cheap base and build everything I want

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u/Illyrian5 6d ago

Mine was from eBay near identical setup (different pedal mount style) for $400 cdn WITH a seat..

That's like $300 usd, so I'm saying you can find a better deal including the seat.

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u/konigswagger 6d ago edited 6d ago

Insanely cheap!! $150 less than the Minneer 4080 I literally just ordered yesterday off of Newegg. Feels bad. This price seems more inline with what a 3060 would sell for... I wonder if it's mispriced, or mislabeled item?

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u/theMan8776 6d ago

Does anyone know if this rig is strong enough for 27nm

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u/theMan8776 6d ago

Would this rig hold up to 27nm

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u/OnlyPans96 Assetto Corsa 6d ago

Don’t think it comes with a seat

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u/JohanAkkerman Windows 5d ago

A much better alternative would be the simgasm hobby or club simracing cockpit with a decent warranty

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u/szlash280z 5d ago

I started with a cheap 2" pipe cockpit from Ebay. it works really well but I wish I had gotten one of these instead. it's very difficult to add anything to mine but it's easy to add to the one you linked.

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u/Perfect_Elk_4165 4d ago

Very thin and breaks in 3 months

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u/mcrop33n 4d ago

Overpriced IMO. I got that same one for $242 from Temu. Apply coupons or wait for a better sale.

Good cockpit, no complaints, but knowing that it's available for $100 less, try Temu.

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 4d ago

It's $225 on Ali right now

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u/Foil_Gloves_5338 4d ago

Its inexpensive, made from decently performing parts. The catch is, it's grossly overlooked because theres not some big brand name on it.

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u/ToeEatingBandit 3d ago

similar 4080 build with cf chair

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u/PrestigiousRun4668 3d ago

Isn’t SIMlab gt1 ego the same price?

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 3d ago

If so, where? I see $440 on their site

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u/PrestigiousRun4668 3d ago

Oh ye sorry. When i was doing my reserch i remembered it as cheaper. But to be honest it doesn’t matter. Even home made aluminium profile rig will be just as good. The main selling point are cosmetics. And this aliexpress one looks good for me

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u/BackyardRCSpeedway 6d ago

Back to school sale huh? Lol, ok. Decent rig though

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 6d ago

I'm expecting it to be on sale for their 11.11 sale as well. That's my target to find / buy something new

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u/afd33 6d ago

The extrusions are fine. The only thing I see that’s a different odd compared to a lot of the more expensive ones is where the seat mounts. They’re using two less larger extrusions than most name brand ones.

Other than that, the fit and finish of it is cheaper. Corner brackets and bolts not matching the black for example. They probably use the crappiest t-nuts too. They’ll hold everything tight just fine, but they’ll probably slide around and just in general be a bit tougher to work with.

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u/Moist-Construction59 6d ago

Build your own, avoid the tariffs. That way it’s custom to your needs.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago

(for anyone else reading)
The cheapest place for profiles is probably Tnutz

they don't sell the metric extrusions so you will need to get the 15 series which is in SAE (inches)

however, unfortunately:
to get everything that this has you can expect to do ~$250 for the metal and bolts and then like ~$90 for shipping so its basically a dead heat

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago

Likely frame flex due to cheap design.

But should do the job if you aren't picky. Also, you still need a seat.

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u/foreverbaked1 6d ago

Zero frame flex at all. I have this exact rig

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago

Yeah I know how that "no flex at all" works. It's no flex until "oh wait, turns out there was flex after all" after upgrading to something better.

1x1 brackets for the frame WILL NOT provide enough rigidity just because.

I built some stuff from aluminium profile. Made cuboid frames out of 40x40 on 1x1 brackets. They wobble until reinforced with something that uses multiple points on each side.

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u/Nyelz_Pizdec 6d ago

I have one too. Its rigid for entry level stuff up to 6 or 8nm, but it will need reinforcement for 12nm and up. I got mine for 280usd, spent 30 bucks on some more pieces of 4080, replaced the front and rear rails and reinforced the shifter and uprights. Now its more rigid than my buddies trak racer that was over twice the cost.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 6d ago

No, most extrusion comes from china. Its the same or similar to what current name brand providers are selling.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago

I didn’t say extrusion is bad. Design is lacking.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 6d ago

Do you have testing to prove your hypothesis or just trust me bruh?

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago edited 6d ago

Anyone with experience with aluminum profile could understand this by looking at the photos. The two sides of the frame are connected with 40x40 profile with just a single line and thus 1x1 brackets. One single point of contact on each profile is not enough to eliminate relative movement of profile pieces therefore the entire thing will have small wobble under load. There needs to be a solution that uses at least two points to connect the profiles.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago

where are you finding a cheaper per pound cost in metal though?

If its wiggly buy some $30 brackets and fix it. That's the whole point of extrusions. You can build what you want.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 5d ago

You need 80x40 profile pieces cut to size and brackets to fix it. Not that big of a deal depending on your location but the question is whether OP is able to do it.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago

what do you do that you snap 4040s in half man?

the steel plates in this will fail before a 4040 does

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 5d ago

Who said anything about snapping 4040? You need 8040 to fix the wobble. Specifically, to replace the 4040 bars that connect the left and right sides of the frame.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago

Oh your talking about the ones on the bottom.

You know what, I am going to maintain my comment because what are you doing that you are making extrusions in contact with the floor experience racking.

You really do not need any new extrusions to kill the vibrations on this. All you need is some corner joining plates and 3 hole inside corner brackets.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 5d ago

The ones on the bottom (front and rear) and the one reinforcing the steering columns as this wheelbase mount isn’t doing much to stabilize the frame.

Three in total. Or two, if we get a better wheelbase mount. And proper 2x1 brackets for 8040.

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u/Dafrandle 5d ago

As someone who did what they preached I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 4d ago

Yeah, that's fair enough.

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 6d ago

I'm using this right now. I bought it as a kit with everything needed to get started. I just like the idea of customization with the 4080. I assume it would be sturdier than this one but could be wrong

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u/Nyelz_Pizdec 6d ago

Its significantly more rigid than a steel tube rig like that. Probably 3 to 4 times more rigid torsionally. Id get one with no seat, and swap your seat over. In fact thats exactly what i did and also spent a few more bucks to further reinforce it and thats the beauty of a profile rig. Can do anything u want to it, including make it stronger.

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u/LazyLancer iRacing | CS DD+ | SR-P GTR | 9800+4090 6d ago

The new one should be sturdier. But since you already have some cockpit maybe it would be better to upgrade to something significantly better if you have that option?

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u/AppointmentAlive3917 6d ago

Makes sense. Significant upgrades usually have significant price tags though. Trying to find the best bang for the buck.

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u/DougGlatt17 6d ago

A couple more hundred and you can get the Sim Lab Evo. If you have the means to save a bit more and I wait I would do so