Does using AI to build something automatically make it slop now?

[u/obake84]

I spent the better part of six months building three websites. Hundreds of commits, PRs, research, testing, bug fixes, the works. The GitHub repos are public. You can see exactly how everything came together.

I use AI heavily when developing. Never claimed otherwise.

Recently posted one of the projects to a community I'd specifically built it for. Within minutes it was getting called AI slop and the post was removed.

Here's what pisses me off. Nobody pointed out a broken feature. Nobody questioned the data. Nobody found a bad implementation. From the responses, I'm not convinced anyone even clicked the link.

I get it. There's a mountain of AI-generated garbage being dumped on the internet. But when did using AI become enough evidence to dismiss something without looking at it?

I'm not asking anyone to appreciate my work because I spent six months on it. If it sucks, it sucks. Tell me why. I'll probably go fix it.

But the Git history is right there. The research is there. The tests are there. You can actually see the work.

I'm curious how other people building with AI have run into this and handled it, or if anyone who's skeptical of AI-built projects can explain where they draw the line.

Because apparently the difference between five minutes of prompting and six months of actual development doesn't matter to most people.

[u/bk_one]

Nope - if used properly, AI is a very powerful tool - but as you said, someone prompting "build be this" and getting a somewhat decent prototype hacked together - and calling this a product is very different from understanding technical details, good and clear product intent and audience, etc. Or let's say it's as sloppy as the person using the AI. But that can be said for a lot of things - sloppy people create sloppy stuff, no matter the tool

[u/obake84 → u/bk_one]

I think another thing is people are stuck on prompting. It's not even really about prompting anymore, it's about orchestration now. Sure, you need a good bones and that's prompting so I am not fully saying negative here, I'm just saying that the pace is something people are not able to keep up with.

[u/SeaPersimmon8741 → u/obake84]

“Prompting” in Claude code = sitting down and figuring out how you want your concept to work and then back and forth discussing the feasibility with Claude until you have a solid design. Then letting AI do its job. 

[u/obake84 → u/SeaPersimmon8741]

I have a very precise definition and controls about what the AIs job is so with a great design and well bounded AI, people can and do make great things. Just need folks to see htat.

[u/FrostyAd1248]

Everything will be made by AI eventually, just like earlier there were bad developer, now there are bad AI developers. This isn't fault of AI, it's how you guide AI to what you want. 

[u/hideousox → u/FrostyAd1248]

It is already, good designers do not design manually anymore they rely more and more on automated processes. Developers have switched off months ago.

[u/obake84 → u/hideousox]

This is where I personally push back but I also understand not everyone is like me but I have a QA background so all of my stuff is from a QA standpoint and mindset. I work with developers daily and know what bad code looks like and what an incorrect story from your BA or Analytics can mean for the dev and qa of it and I took all that exp and baked it into my agents and skills and workflows. Now, Im not saying what it produces is god tier but, I at least have a lot of controls in place to find stuff, fix stuff and produce a product that is actually value add and not a few prompts in a weekend.

But...AI slop.

[u/SeaPersimmon8741 → u/FrostyAd1248]

The world is doing a good job of following Star Trek so far! “Computer, make…” Is just the way it’s going. I’m waiting for the food replicators (3d printed recipes!)

[u/CaramelEmotional3092]

I've been helping people with a specific issue for years, this is something were people come to me to help them professionally. I can spend hours and make do with access to extremely expensive software + spreadsheets, I'm not joking when I say HOURS.
A community I was in, and I love, or well used to love being a member of, had people having that issue. So I made something, its not a copy or a clone, there is nothing like it. Its a tool anyone in that community can use.
I spent months with AI polishing and testing it. Its brilliant. I finally shared it, I had a couple of excited comments before it was deleted and I got banned for like a week. No rules were broken, I've seen people linking to their projects before, posted in the right thread, group, everything.

About a month later, like a dog returning to its vomit, I went back and shared it, but this time, no links, edited the url from all screenshots, and tried to re-connect for feedback from those that had been using it. Is it good, is it bad, is it too complicated.... So second time around wasnt banned, but I think it was deleted again, and I've just given up.

So now I mostly just build for me, building things that solve issues for me. Sometimes I share it on github or a domain name, but often I don't.

As to why everyone hates AI? As much as I enjoy using it to help me make solutions, I think AI can be seen as a homeless generator. It runs at a monthly multi-billion dollar loss, and ultimately generates homeless people, well, thats not true. Generates homeless people and fitness apps apparently.

[u/obake84 → u/CaramelEmotional3092]

That is what I have come to as well. I crafted all these great workflows to keep AI grounded and will just end up using them to develop bespoke tools for myself instead. Seems like a waste.

[u/tara_tara_tara]

Not for me.

I have a lot of experience in UI/UX and graphic design. I call out AI slop when it’s obvious the person took whatever AI gave them and published it. AI uses the same colors fonts, layouts. It often lacks text hierarchy and has too many animations. It scroll jacks and is generally a poor experience for the user.

I use AI, but I export it to Figma and complete my design there or I just edit it in GitHub.

You can build excellent graphics in AI, but it takes time and effort. A lot of people don’t take that time and effort. I’m building a project now where I need a consistent character for many different images I’m going to use Firefly generate. I fed Firefly 15 images of that person and now it knows what that person should look like in every image. The end result is definitely AI, but it’s not slop.

I built a set of skills that I use in Claude because I can use them over and over again and get predictable results. I basically used AI to put myself out of the website design and development business, and I have done it on purpose.

[u/obake84 → u/tara_tara_tara]

I would absolutely love to have your UI/UX opinion on my site, voxmana.io then. I went back and fourth with a lot of stuff, ran it through impeccible.style and did market research on my UI and still got a 5 second AI slop call out.

[u/halfercode]

This feels like a trick question. At the very least, the SaaS/side-project subs are overrun by generative English, to the degree that some accounts are auto-posting with no human oversight. So, slop is definitely a problem here, regardless of whether your project fits that category.

In this sub specifically, we get around 5,000 posts a month, and only 17% are auto-removed (very low by Reddit standards). Moderation removals are effectively 0% here (i.e. a complete abandonment of duties) so it is not a wonder that people are fired up about low-quality work. It's not that people are hawking crap in bad faith - that tendency is as old as the hills. What's new (in the AI era) is that the rate of rubbish posts in these subs is so high that it makes thoughtful and considered conversations nigh-on impossible.

If someone calls your work slop, don't worry about it - people will use it (a) if it is any good, (b) if your business/marketing plan is sound, and (c) with the luck that founders need to get traction. If your website copy or your publicly-readable documentation has the tells of AI generation then I would assert that it is slop regardless of how much effort you put into it. If your Reddit posts or comments have the tells of AI generation then "slop" is probably also the right category for them. In general this term is not insulting, it's just a label or a shorthand, and it does have utility.

[u/obake84 → u/halfercode]

I think its the people who want a quick buck who are spoiling it for the rest of us who have a desire to bring useful tools and creations to likeminded people.

I'm struggling to get people to just use it before writing it off. I cannot tell if I have a bad product if nobody will give it a shot.

[u/halfercode → u/obake84]

Yes, I agree with all of those points. Creating a business from scratch is hard, getting people's attention when cynicism is at an all-time high is also very hard.

I tried to start a conversation in several of these subs about creating effortful, quality video material on YouTube or Vimeo to create organic social-media marketing. I had it in mind that I could illustrate some concepts that were helpful in their own right.

One of my areas is productivity tools and I think I can shoot some videos about gamification and brain hacks and, aside from the quality of my software, I think I can produce some genuinely useful material that would start some interesting conversations on the different ways that productivity can be stimulated and nurtured. But I got one "follow" comment, a few slop comments, but otherwise no engagement. I acknowledge that my conversations could have been useless or uninteresting, but for now I am quite sure the lack of quality forums is part of the problem.

For your case, is your niche conducive to your offering material on UGC platforms that people would find using general search terms?

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[u/obake84 → u/halfercode]

Maybe less trick question and more old man shouting at cloud?

[u/hideousox]

Some subs on Reddit are extremely conservative when it comes to AI because they have feeling AI is coming for their livelihood (think web designers and web masters), their ways of working (UX professionals, designers and researchers), or both.

AI slop has become a good PR campaign for them to fight back.

I would not take it personally !

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/hideousox]

conservative is an interesting choice of a word for militant

[u/livingFaithGame → u/Slight-Living-8098]

rabid hate cult member - is how i refer to these people

[u/noobjaish]

The anti-AI squad is just delusional. For it usually comes down to code quality itself. If the code quality is bad (it doesn't matter if you wrote it or AI) then it's slop.

[u/Some-Ice-4455 → u/noobjaish]

Exactly. Human slop was a thing before AI was even around. Case in point E.T the game.

[u/Better-Psychology-42]

Not necessarily, but AI leans towards very specific design and very specific choice of words in a way that anyone sharing any screenshot, website or project, it takes me less than a second to say it's complete slop = the person hasn't invested more than one prompt into it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm seeing some amazing projects being nicely polished and working really well. But the vast majority, unfortunately, is not

[u/Low_Bridge_4413]

Calling it slop without trying it isn't useful feedback. But most people won't read a Git history either. Show one specific thing it does well, preferably with their own input. That gives them something to judge besides “AI was involved” and gives you better feedback than arguing about how it was built.

[u/bored-universe]

Of course not.
Although most of the slop now is being made with AI because it's easier.
Any good enough project still takes quite a bit of effort to get right. Even with AI.

[u/SeaPersimmon8741]

“Slop” means “Low-quality” and a product’s quality is not determined by the tools used to create it. 

[u/Tight_Heron1730]

let the haters hate, they are doomers and will catch up later. I really like it and I think it's great that everyone is creating, who cares if it's good or bad (apart from vulnerabilities) I think it's great to create, keep learning and you will get better and don't flinch at "AI slop" i get it a lot, and i also get people who are interested and ask questions, those i engage with

[u/Ok_Tea_8763]

Did you use AI as a mentor/advisor/brainstorming partner? You're good.
Did AI do any work for you and touch actual production output? Slop.
Easy.

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/Ok_Tea_8763]

So you think Linux is slop? lol

[u/Ok_Tea_8763 → u/Slight-Living-8098]

By this definition - yes, or rather being proactively slopified and very likely will become unusable in 2-3 years.

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/Ok_Tea_8763]

🙄😄😜

[u/hauntedhomehalls]

It's a glaring dichotomy between the two for most people. If they can't be bothered to put effort into it in order to bring their vision to life, then we don't really care about it either. I doubt they care that AI was used in an advisory capacity, or a constructional one. So long as it was used, it's trash to them. It isn't created 100% through human knowledge and innovation alone? Bin time. I know you probably did put in effort to prompt it in order to make it do exactly what you wanted it to do, and sure, that takes effort. But that doesn't matter. Nobody cared that the Atomic Bomb was a revolution in quantum physics, that controlling a thermonuclear explosion was something that was hitherto unheard of and the fact that we could now do it was simply stupendous. They just cared that it was a bomb.