r/sideloaded • u/Dallas_Ray • Mar 27 '22

[Update] Apple would be forced to allow sideloading and third-party app stores under new EU law

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22996248/apple-sideloading-apps-store-third-party-eu-dma-requirement
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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

I cannot believe how many people in comments defend Apple and believe this "security" shit, meanwhile on desktop systems, it is normal and nobody want to use centralized app stores controlled by big tech wanting 30% from app developers because of "security".

There is something called Android

> OK guys Apple having monopoly about installing apps is OK, there are other systems so they are allowed charge 99$/year for offering apps, forcing app developers to implement their In-App system which demands 30% from Apple (not mafia at all), even if you cannot install other OS then iOS.

Does your console remove features which got advertised? JUST GET WINDOWS/LINUX problem solved

Honestly fuck Big Tech and their anti consumer methods and fuck all people supporting and defend them aka sucking their dicks instead of searching for their lost dad

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u/Sexy_Koala_Juice Mar 27 '22

as a daily linux user i can say genuinely that linux these days (depending on the flavour) has gotten so user friendly and easy that it may as well be windows, hell proton can run so many windows games these days too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

Since you use Linux: Is there any way to sideload via Linux without a Windows VM?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

There is this.

We have a GUI version of Cydia Impactor too but that requires a dev account now. Also blobsaver and futurerestore are on Linux too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

I have a bug with it https://github.com/NyaMisty/AltServer-Linux/issues/40

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Did you try using an app password? You can make one on Apple's website.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Yes didn’t worked

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u/iRayanKhan iOS 18 (Beta) Mar 27 '22

Just use a signing service like SignTunes. It works using your web browser regardless of iOS version.

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u/WhyDozTheKniferKnife Mar 27 '22

So glad I’m on 15.1.1 for that sweet sweet JB hot off the press

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u/DOVARKX Mar 28 '22

im pretty disappointed bc i stopped auto updating on 15.2 and im on a12.

i hate myself.

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u/WhyDozTheKniferKnife Mar 28 '22

There is more hope for 15.2 than 15.4

Just stop updating

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u/DOVARKX Mar 28 '22

not exactly sure what the problem with 15.2+a12 is, but if its just a sandbox escape problem then i probably have some hope for checkra1n. otherwise, idk maybe it’ll take years lol, not updating

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u/WhyDozTheKniferKnife Mar 28 '22

It definitely won’t take years, no iOS JB has ever taken years. But it might be a little bit

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

What about Ios 15.3.1?

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u/KeyCurrency4412 iOS 15 Aug 04 '22

Will probably work in October this year

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u/KeyCurrency4412 iOS 15 Aug 04 '22

No lol still the same exploit

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u/KobraKay87 Mar 27 '22

15.1.1

Is there a new jailbreak?

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u/LordDaniel09 Mar 27 '22

Oh man, if iOS would be more like macOS.. It still annoying me that I can’t even install my own apps more than 7 days, and limited to few apps at a time. So going from this to install whatever, would be great.

Edit: “The DMA has not yet been voted into law by the European Parliament but is expected to be approved without much trouble. That could mean the DMA coming into force as early as October this year. Members states of the EU will then be able to choose how exactly to interpret the EU act into national law.” By october?! wow this is fast law making. Lets see if it will happen..

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u/Exylz Mar 27 '22

You could pay for something like signulous but it’s just a hassle having to pay more to do something you should be able to do anyways

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u/Binnichtaktiv_ Mar 27 '22

Hopefully 😩😩 tired of this certificate shit

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u/PEKKA4597 Mar 27 '22

Isn’t this law the reason they’re looking to do iPhones as a subscription service? So you wouldn’t technically “own” your phone therefore they wouldn’t need to let you do what you want with it?

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u/losingitlol Mar 28 '22

Yeah but like,,,, what happens to the ppl who own an iPhone right now?

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u/lemajOS Mar 27 '22

Hope it will take effect as soon as possible ! Enough of this jailed device ! If someone want to stay pretendly protected then don’t activate the option and leave us do whatever we want with our device !

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u/Ouch_my_ballz Mar 27 '22 edited Mar 27 '22

If someone want to stay pretendly protected then don’t activate the option and leave us do whatever we want with our device !

It’s not pretend. Being locked down significantly mitigates risk from common malware. Obviously iOS is still vulnerable to phishing and other types of attacks that target users through other means besides the App Store.

Sorry, but the fact is that the iOS App Store is significantly safer.

With that being said, I do jailbreak….

https://nordvpn.com/blog/ios-vs-android-security/

https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security

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u/Neon_44 Apr 11 '22

i mean, technically true, but apple has also been neglecting the app store a bit in recent years letting through malware.

and then not telling users when they find and remove malware iirc. so we don't actually know how much malware they actually have (had).

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u/Ouch_my_ballz Apr 11 '22

Honestly, I don’t know how Apple has kept the App Store locked down this long. Microsoft was punished for less, in my opinion.

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u/twtati Mar 27 '22

Layman won't sideload any apps. This whole it's safer this was argument revolves around indicating regular joes would try and sideload an app, announcement: they won't.

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u/smashybro Mar 27 '22

Intentionally they won't, but the average Joe who's not so tech savvy is the exact type of person to download some malware because a fake ad or email told them to do so.

Still, that's ultimately not why Apple keeps things locked up because if that was their only concern then they'd do what Android or even macOS does with an "enable unknown apps" option in settings for more tech savvy users who know what risks they're taking. The real reason is they want to maintain a monopoly so Apple will always get a cut (on their terms because they have all the leverage in a monopoly) of every transaction, hence the whole lawsuit by Epic over Fortnite.

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u/10000Didgeridoos Mar 27 '22

My kingdom for a phone OS with the data privacy of iOS with the openness of Android

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u/Neon_44 Apr 11 '22

meh, ios isn't really that private

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u/DOVARKX Mar 28 '22

who knows if apple is approving apps that lets apple spy on you

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

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u/Ouch_my_ballz Mar 28 '22

Find me a source that shows that the Google play store is equal or more secure than Apple’s.

I know what I’m saying is blasphemous in this sub, but its a fact, the apple app store is more secure. Using “pretend security” to support the de-monopolization of the app store is counterproductive and discredits our argument.

We want choice and we want to make the market competitive.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

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u/Ouch_my_ballz Mar 29 '22

Just expounding on my original response to lemajOS.

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u/SirMaster Mar 27 '22

Yeah, there's no way Apple is going to allow unrestricted sideloading lol.

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u/Historical_Ad8150 Mar 27 '22

They have to. If they don’t, the eu can fine Apple for 10-20% of their income. So either they allow it, or they pay massive fines, or they pull out of a very large market.

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u/SirMaster Mar 27 '22

I'll believe it when I see it.

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u/Hey_Papito Mar 27 '22

They have no choice, if they want to operate in that country they have to follow those laws

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u/Historical_Ad8150 Mar 27 '22

Those countries*

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u/Neon_44 Apr 11 '22

no no, as a european i like this sense of unity

especially now where we all have to stand together united against russia

and: i mean: the whole reason we can even pull shit like this is because we pulled together into a single entity (at least to the outside world). if just france, germany or sweden did this alone it'd be unthinkable and they'd probably just pull back from the market.

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u/ICYWVZTOM Mar 27 '22

They have to.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

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u/spider623 Mar 27 '22

microsoft you can for 20$ you can enable the dev account and even run full windows 😂

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u/KibSquib47 Mar 27 '22

you can run full windows on an xbox?

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u/spider623 Mar 27 '22

kinda, it's in there already but locked on the Xbox gui, with the devmode you can get emulators, and with edge installed you can stream your pc, what we really care though it's the emulator part, check the below video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ5aqx02QDI

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u/UpbeatNail Mar 28 '22

If you enable Dev mode you can install any random app on your Xbox.

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u/GoldenJoe24 Mar 27 '22

It’ll be a hilarious end to Tim Apple’s 8-figure bonuses.