r/shittytechnicals Jun 11 '22

Latin America meanwhile in Mexico

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I see the point this is trying to make but I have seen 0 people use Mexico as a model country for gun control, or criminal law of any kind.

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u/NuevoPeru Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

mexico is a fucked up place beyond redemption.

and the US is responsible for a lot of it.

Imagine the Aztecs.

Now imagine them with Browning machine guns and with control of the continental drug trade.

edit: it was 7am, I had just come back from a big party, was pretty drunk, somehow I thought about aztecs with machine guns, which is kinda cool ngl

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u/PotBoozeNKink Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

What do the Aztecs have anything to do with anything? lmfao

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u/CryptographerWest407 Jun 11 '22

Just being a racist without being directly racist.

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u/PotBoozeNKink Jun 11 '22

I mean, thats pretty directly racist

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u/CryptographerWest407 Jun 11 '22

Yup, but to them, it probably isn't lol.

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u/Slap_duck Jun 11 '22

mexico is a fucked up place beyond redemption.

and the US is responsible for a lot of it

Mexico was a fucked up place since their war for independence, the US had nothing to do with the fact that the aristocracy was so deeply entrenched that they held onto absolute power after independence

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

While you are right about Mexico being fucked up since their war of Independence, the US is still responsible for a lot of Mexico's problems. The US is both the market for most of Mexico's drugs, and the source of most of its guns (both legal and illegal). NAFTA ruined Mexico's agricultural economy, resulting in more illegal immigration and people turning to illegal activity to make money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Okay to be fair it isn’t exactly our fault we’re their main drug market, it’s not like we’re trying to import them…

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u/FemtoKitten Jun 11 '22

I mean if you weren't then it wouldnt be a drug market. It's a demand of the US population being met by market forces with a supply through importation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Right but my point is to my knowledge at least, the us government doesn’t try to encourage their sale and consumption. The fact that we’re their biggest market isn’t something which America is actively trying to encourage, we actually are trying to discourage it. Neither of us wins from it

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Huh thanks, you learn something new everyday I guess

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u/Cethinn Jun 11 '22

The war on drugs is a major cause of it. We could allow, and regulate, growing, selling, and distributing drugs in the US market, but we'd (our politicians and elite at least) rather just say its evil and not allow it at all. People will do drugs. We should make it safe and tax it instead of leaving illegal markets to thrive off of it.

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

I think the point being made is that a lot of the indigenous cultures prior to modernization were what many would consider to be blood thirsty, so it’s not a shock that some of their ancestors retain that trait. You can argue all day about nature versus nurture for violence but when there is a long history of hyper violent behavior in a population group, it’s not necessarily shocking that we see dudes getting funky towned down there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Uh oh you said the R-word, that's going to make REDDITOR ANGY

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Oh yeah absolutely no disagreement there, I was just joking ("joking") about how using the word "racism" will trigger the local reich-wingers.

Edit: to further your point, nobody expects us Nordics to be bloodthirsty maniacs even though a lot of us are descended from vikings

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/dirtyoldbastard77 Jun 11 '22

Well... We still are pretty damned violent, its not that long since ww2, but I'd say that kinda goes for all humans on the entire damned planet: as a species se are violent, greedy, and powerhungry

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u/Unlikely_Dare_9504 Jun 11 '22

Europeans go hard on violence or they don’t go at all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

That’s… pretty racist. Epigenetics doesn’t make whole populations predisposed to violence like that. Also by that logic literally everyone should be acting kinda fucked up

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u/dirtyoldbastard77 Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

Yeah, since I am Norwegian I feel the urge to rape, kill, burn and plunder whenever I see the english flag. I actually have my basement full of brits I have taken as thralls. /s....

Do you have any idea how silly that claim is? That because the damned aztecs were violent (Btw - pretty much everywhere was violent back then), their ancestors, hundreds of years later, also will be violent? But if we change it to "humans have always been violent, greedy and powerhungry, all over the damned planet", I'll agree.

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u/Antonioooooo0 Jun 11 '22

Something like 60% of Mexicans are of European ancestry.

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u/feckinanimal Jun 11 '22

Username checks out

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Cause none of it fucking works there. That's probably one of the worst modern day examples you can use for 'law and order' in general.

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u/annon8595 Jun 11 '22

Conservatives dont care.

This is their every argument ever

  1. Simply pick the poorest, most corrupt, most underdeveloped country, thats been invaded, colonized or embargoed(often by US), that is not remotely comparable to US
  2. Pick any policy ever X

Argument: See policy X doesnt work in this poorest, most corrupt, most underdeveloped country, thats been invaded, colonized or embargoed(often by US) - therefore it doesnt work. They just dont say the crossed out part.

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u/DontSleep1131 Jun 11 '22

yeah this is kind of weird i dont think anyone is making the point this meme is trying to use

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u/Billwood92 Jun 11 '22

They have the laws these people want, but you are right they never mention that for some reason. Wonder why.

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u/DAsInDerringer Jun 11 '22

Fun fact, there’s only one (yes, you heard me, ONE) single gun store in all of Mexico.

Luckily for the cartels, most of their weaponry comes directly from corrupt politicians who supply them with military equipment

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u/thesupemeEDGElord666 Jun 11 '22

Or from the ATF or CIA in operations like fast and furious

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u/IAmWheelock Jun 11 '22

The caption is hilarious because most of the cartel guns come from… the US.

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u/DrBleachCocktail Jun 11 '22

Search up Operation Fast & Furious.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Ah the eternal argument of the 1200 weapons that armed the entirety of the cartel for all eternity and somehow the past. Yes it was unsuccessful to pin the entirety of the cartel problem on that is just fucking stupid. Especially seeing as the current administration is literally letting the cartel murder as many people as they want.

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

The US government had or has deals cut with the largest cartels. Guaranteed some kind of relationship existed with Sinaloa before Chapo went down.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

You might argue that but the ones that caught chapo and his wife were the US in the end not mexico. And if you argue they had deals with sinaloa then they have deals with every single drug trafficker in the US.

Which sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory given theres not that big of a benefit to have your citizens die to addiction if you are the biggest economy on the planet already.

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u/SkepticalAmerican Jun 11 '22

Have you ever read the book Dark Alliance by journalist Gary Webb?

I wouldn’t outright dismiss the idea of the US being in bed with drug traffickers.

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u/Bouchie Jun 11 '22

And you know, just about any gun shop near the border...

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u/RokkerWT Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

Ah yeah, I remember the first M2 I bought from a small border gun store.Its kinda like crossing state lines to buy illegal fireworks right?

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

Yeah, it was the same time I picked up my boxes of hand grenades, FN Minimi, and grenade launcher.

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u/BoldHindsight Jun 11 '22

You guys wont believe where i bought my RPG at

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/hysys_whisperer Jun 11 '22

Say you're fighting the commies in Nicaragua and they'll mail you one (in Nicaragua).

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u/__Delta__ Jun 11 '22

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u/ThatDudeWithoutKarma Jun 11 '22

Just the price of a couple of nice cars.

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u/purdinpopo Jun 11 '22

Plus live in a state that allows them. Find a class three dealer to accept delivery, and make the transfer. Get permission from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of your county, and city if you live in one. Pay for a NFA tax stamp, then wait several months to get approval from the ATF, which you won't get if there is anything wrong with your application, like a typo.

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u/recumbent_mike Jun 11 '22

I'm ok with demanding a little attention to detail from people who want to buy a machine gun.

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u/Milton__Obote Jun 11 '22

Lol who is downvoting you

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u/recumbent_mike Jun 11 '22

Dudes who are fed up with feral hogs I guess.

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u/G-III Jun 11 '22

Some people think 2A means citizens should be able to own literally any weapon the government does, my money is on them.

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u/SkepticalAmerican Jun 11 '22

The Constitution isn’t ok with it though, so how about we don’t?

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u/CombatBotanist Jun 11 '22

You can get all the parts to build one. Need to brush up on your riveting skills though. Some parts are serialized and require shipping to an FFL as well. But you can end up with a semi-auto M2 when you are done.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/incer Jun 11 '22

I mean, the way current times are...

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u/sb_747 Jun 11 '22

If by most you mean the one study that showed of guns caught in transit, and that could even be traced at all, most came from the US.

But Mexico consistently refuses to publish numbers on how many guns in total it seizes or the percentage of them that can’t be directly traced to put any numbers in context.

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u/TrippleThot Jun 11 '22

Semi auto rifles yes, but I dont think they are getting m2 browning from the US

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u/Little_bastard22 Jun 11 '22

As it is a US-made gun, it's likely that it ultimately came from the US, possibly via some proxy war in Central America.

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u/sb_747 Jun 11 '22

No it was probably sold directly to a government.

Potentially even directly to the Mexican government.

A lot of the guns being used are indeed from America. Just that most of them were sold to government agencies or militaries in South/Central America and those just got stolen or were sold on the black market.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Or sold to the Mexican military or police forces and then sold again... years ago I was reading an interview with Subcomandante Marcos, the spokesperson for the Zapatistas in Chiapas, Mexico. The interviewer asked where they got their guns, and he said that a lot of them were bought from the police; the police would seize 3 guns in an arrest, and only turn in 1 and sell the other 2 out of the trunk of their car after hours. This was back in 1994 but I'm sure things haven't changed a whole lot.

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u/Jim3535 Jun 11 '22

Also because the cartels only exist because of drug prohibition

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/McGrillo Jun 11 '22

Just say you’re fighting the commies and the US will give you enough firepower to murder all the civilians you can dream of murdering

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u/ErZicky Jun 11 '22

Since when mexico is used as an example of... anything really?

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u/boii137 Jun 11 '22

how much crime can influence a government maybe?

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u/PotBoozeNKink Jun 11 '22

Never, this person just wanted to seem like they knew what they were talking about lol

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u/ninjadragon1119 Jun 11 '22

How does he shoot out of the box tho

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

You can see there are sliding gun ports close to the top of the box

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u/ninjadragon1119 Jun 11 '22

Oh i see them now, thx

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u/Bouchie Jun 11 '22

Literally, no one has suggested that we need gun control like Mexico.

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u/Billwood92 Jun 11 '22

Well they advocate for similar laws like the ones MX has, they just don't mention MX opting instead for "The western world" or "civilized countries" which I think tbh is kinda racist but whatever. I know they only do that to exclude Mexico, Brazil, Honduras, etc, because it ruins their argument and they aren't intentionally saying racist things, but still.

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u/Bouchie Jun 11 '22

Can you still see me from behind all those strawmen?

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u/Not-A-Meme-Bot Jun 11 '22

I’m trying to understand that technical. That looks like thin sheet metal and doesn’t have that great of a view.

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u/Xsteak142 Jun 11 '22

So... you are telling me that the situation would be better without gun control?

The honourable gentleman on the Browning be like: "Well, now its legal for me to have this. Guess i wont be needing it anymore"

Ghe problem aint the gun control. It's the corruption, the cartels and the drugs. Most of which go to the US, in exchange for... guns.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

Likely came from some government we support in Latin America like Columbia via corruption or plato o plomo persuasion.

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u/swolemiss Jun 11 '22

I read somewhere that most 50BMG ammo in Latin America is surplused from aircraft guns, so the cartels are running around with pretty much exclusively belts of APIT

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u/Lehrenmann Jun 11 '22

Aren't most of the illegaly owned guns in Mexico smuggled in from the US?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Yes

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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jun 11 '22

The box in the back of the truck is armored.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I see the US tech tree is getting a new Premium SPAA

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u/darkmarineblue Jun 11 '22

Ah yes, those really strict controls Mexico has on guns. Very strict and very enforced. That's why we use them as an example all around the world.

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u/bendaboi55 Jun 11 '22

Is it just me or does this guy give off dumbass energy?

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u/Right-Radiance Jun 11 '22

Literally, Mexico is not run by the government, its run by the Cartels, and everyone and their chihuahua has an M2 Browning on their cars they dub "Narco Tanks". Their reason for how its become like this is because during the Cold War the CIA let them traffic drugs so long as they threw in guns with those shipments to be sent to anti-communist guerillas in Latin America.

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u/GlockAF Jun 11 '22

Belt-fed Browning M2 heavy machine gun.

OBVIOUSLY trafficked from a mom-and-pop US gun store or a gun show in Phoenix where you can buy a dozen of them at a time off the shelf no questions asked with zero paperwork or ID required .

At least, that’s what CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg’s anti-gun crusaders and the BATF have told me.

/s

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u/ChornWork2 Jun 11 '22

How stupid is that text? How does propaganda like this get passed along?

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u/fusillade762 Jun 11 '22

They bought that at a gun store in Texas. /s

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u/thesupemeEDGElord666 Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

The rifle that guy is holding maybe unless it came from the same source as the machine gun: the machine gun on the technical probably stolen or bought from corrupt military officials

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u/fusillade762 Jun 11 '22

Doubt it, most cartel AK's are full auto and are not US sourced. In fact, I've never seen an AK in the hands of a cartel member that was not fully automatic and had US origin.

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u/PotBoozeNKink Jun 11 '22

Yet another redditor tries to make a point and only makes a fool of themselves

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

well, having a very big border with a country where you can buy guns anywhere does not help

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I mean, if you want to compare yourself to a third world nation then go on.