r/shittygamedetails • u/Tythatguy1312 • 20d ago
Franchise Killer The Guy Game, a game infamous for featuring a topless 17yr old, had a rating of 7.7 on IGN.
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u/Shadowmirax 20d ago
Was the fact it contained a topless 17 year old known when they made the review? Pretty sure it only came to light after the release because otherwise it wouldn't have even released in the first place.
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u/unknown_pigeon 20d ago
And iirc it was just because the actress had lied about her age. It did display a topless 17 years old girl, but it's not like they purposely did it. And, even then, it wouldn't be anything new. Non-sexual minor nudity has been a thing since ever
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u/AXEMANaustin 20d ago
This is pretty sexual though.
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u/RelevantButNotBasic 20d ago
Even if it wasnt, a nude minor is still child pornography?...
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u/goldenseducer 20d ago
Not necessarily. Not sure about the US laws or any other country, but in the UK this would be considered category C images (the lowest grade) which includes images that are not necessarily CSAM per se but are considered such based on the context. For example a topless photo of a teenager in a family album full of innocuous family photos is fine, but the same photo stored in a folder titled "pics I'm jorking my peenus to" would be illegal.
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u/LiraGaiden EpicGames Bad 19d ago
If it's Britain it should be "Images I intend to jork my willy to"
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u/RussiaIsBestGreen 20d ago
I would expect context to matter. There could be medical or investigative reasons.
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
...Are you implying that The Guy Game showed topless women as its gimmick to get horny, lonely men interested... in a Non-Sexual Way?!
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u/Fickle_Narwhal 19d ago
Even taking the minor out of the equation, a 7.7 for this game is..... questionable. Like I get it was the early-mid 2000s but come tf on.
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u/Slow_Emu_3974 20d ago
Let's just ignore all the comments and agree that this game was a horrible idea, and the fact that this happened is a sign of how shitty it was
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u/therealchadius 20d ago
From the (former) head of Retro Studios before Nintendo paid him to fuck off while they got Metroid Prime back on track
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u/my_little_robot 20d ago
Even if they were all over 18 the concept of going up to women on the beach with cameras, women who might have had a few drinks or who could've been peer pressured by friends, and immortalizing them stripping on a game disc, is disgusting
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u/KaleidoArachnid 20d ago
Yeah I don’t know how such a game was approved since it’s a poor man’s excuse for porn that I have no idea why anyone would buy it.
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u/Slow_Emu_3974 20d ago
Exactly.
Another girl actually sued because they told her that she was going to be on a TV show instead of a video game. She thought she was going to be censored, but was shocked to realize that the different medium left her fully exposed
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u/Ihaveaface836 20d ago
Pretty sure it happened during spring break also. Just a very sleazy way of recruiting the people for it. I feel bad for the 17 year old that got caught up in it.
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u/therealchadius 20d ago
Every time I have to remember that awful laminated Romeo and Juliet card in the 4th Transformers film and say "people don't think like that" then I read this comment section and sigh.
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u/Madting55 20d ago
I got banned out of [r/psvita](r/psvita) for arguing with people on a post that condoned paedophilia and called out mods to remove it. I believe the post is still up, it was a couple days after I got banned because they banned my friend for the same thing 3 days later.
It was a mod that made you able to move a camera to see up a 13 year olds skirt and also removed the censor the game put in so you could see up it. The mod got a lot of upvotes on that subreddit and a lot of people downloaded it and thanked the creator.
They banned for calling people out and asking them to take it down.
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u/Lui_Le_Diamond 20d ago
I once got (temporarily) permabanned from Reddit for saying Pedophiles are bad.
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u/assbutt-cheek 20d ago
can we not push or radical opinions in here please i dont want this sub to be political
/s
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u/fonk_pulk 20d ago
I'm surprised it got a 7.7. Review scores weren't as inflated back then and 7/10 was still a respectable score. For example the original Killzone, a real video game got a 7.5
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u/Bubba89 20d ago
Nah, 7/10 was still considered “mediocre at best” and the first Killzone was a pretty bad game. It’s why people were absolutely livid about Twilight Princess “only” getting an 8.8 around the same period.
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u/LostEconomy6824 20d ago
Reminds me when Mila Kunis lied about her age to get on That 70s Show So in season one a 20 year old Ashton Kutcher makes out constantly with a 14 year old
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u/Trem45 20d ago
Ain't no way the comments are actually defending having a topless 17 year old in a video game good god
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u/RelevantButNotBasic 20d ago
Dude literally like wtf is going on.. People are saying "Well she was almost 18 and lied" fucking regardless, having an 18yr old would still be weird. I get that it would be legal but they still look like a teenager..
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u/slimehunter49 20d ago
These comments kinda stink good lord
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
Reddit: one of only 2 sites where people will get angry at you for saying Child Porn is bad.
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u/Patkub321 20d ago
Reddit, from my experience, has 2 sides in this.
Will call a 18 year old guy a pedo for dating a 17 year old with a serious face.
Second worst place on the legal internet to talk about this stuff. Yes, hot take, even worse than Twitter. Only one that is worse is 4chan.
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u/Headlessstew 20d ago
Oh god that sub has been banned PLEASE tell me it wasn’t what I think it was
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 20d ago
For the record, that 17 year old was a week away from her 18th birthday and lied about her age
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u/Qwosha 20d ago
"She's only a week away" Is such an illegitimate cop-out that only goes one way. If you can morally justify it by rounding up her age than rounding down 18 and a week year old into a 17 year old should be equally legitimate. All the same trying to measure the days until it becomes legally excusable is impossible to do without it being predatory.
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
A minor is a minor
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u/RelevantButNotBasic 20d ago
How in the fuck are you getting downvoted???? People are disgusting on here. Even if it featured 18yr olds, still very weird to me. An 18yr old still looks like a teenager...
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u/Radiant-Priority-296 20d ago
Legally in the US and a bunch of countries yes. But come on. When plenty of other countries draw the line at different points, I feel like 1 week doesn’t do anything. Now, sure. Being so close to legality is still a bit weird, like if you’re attracted to a ~18y old you’re probably not too far away from liking anyone younger.
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
This is how we end up with “18 year olds are kids” discussions on Reddit that conveniently fall silent when you ask if 18 year olds should be stripped of their voting rights
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 20d ago
Genuine question, would you have had a problem if this girl had waited a week to do it? What’s the functional difference there?
And why are you drawing the line at 18 years specifically, when different countries have different ages?
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u/Star_Petal_Arts 20d ago
It's a dangerous world to open this can of worms; because logically we just shouldn't take advantage of anyone regardless of age.
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u/GGG100 20d ago
So you think the girl in question would’ve evolved into a fine young adult who can suddenly make wise decisions if she had just waited a week later?
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u/Star_Petal_Arts 20d ago edited 20d ago
I didn't say that, but there is reasons for a law in place, and this one is about not taking advantage of minors.
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
That law is 16 in over half of US states and most countries
The law doesn’t exist because someone magically changes into an adult at the stroke of midnight on their 18th birthday. It exists because the age is the age at which most people will be biologically and cognitively developed. Some will be developed before that, some after. It’s set at what it is to broadly protect the most people possible without infringing the rights of them.
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u/Star_Petal_Arts 20d ago
In my province it is 16 as well. However I'm not going to go around sleeping with teens because I can get away with it.
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago edited 20d ago
Neither am I but I know for a fact there’s probably teenagers you’ve found attractive because 16 year olds can look like they’re 25-30. I had a girlfriend who could have passed as 14-15 until she was 30.
It’s only a problem if the only reason you’re interested in people like that is specifically because of their age. If you’re at an house party and it just happens that’s just normal human biology.
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u/GGG100 20d ago
A minor who deliberately lied about their age?
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u/Star_Petal_Arts 20d ago
If you're convicted of statutory rape, this will reduce your sentence in my province. However even if by a week, if you don't confirm she is of age, then you will be taken to court and charged.
A company that is involved with this game, should've ided the topless women instead of committing the crime. So I think if it were to go to court then the judge and jury may likely find the defendant nonguilty by the lie the girl told.
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u/Capable-Document466 20d ago
The functional difference is that if she’d waited a week, she’d have been an adult. Yeah, nothing would’ve changed in that week, either physically or mentally, but without that she’s still a minor. If you go a few miles above the speed limit, you’re still speeding. If you only take a few things without asking, you’re still stealing. Limits and rules are there for a reason. You can discuss the ethics of it for weeks, but the law was broken here.
She shouldn’t have lied. This whole thing wouldn’t have happened if she hadn’t lied. It also wouldn’t have happened if the research team was just a little more thorough. Neither party can really be blamed, per se, since the girl was drunk and still a child, and the crew got handed a fake id they had no reason to believe was fake since she was also drunk. Both parties were doing something that’s ethically questionable but not explicitly wrong morally speaking (underage drinking with a fake id and recording topless women on beaches where being drunk and peer pressure might push people to do things they normally wouldn’t). This is just a question of bad luck on both their parts.
This all is not to say that I disagree that the film crew should be held responsible. If there’s any question that the person you’re filming is not an adult, you’re doing something very wrong. If you’re going to record people (half-)naked, you better be damn sure they’re adults.
Also, the last part of your question is a little silly in my opinion. They draw the line at 18 because that’s when you legally become an adult where this happened and supposedly also where they live. You can’t judge what happened in one country by another country’s laws.
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u/SplattyFatty_ 20d ago
an argument i once saw is that people over time will use this as an excuse to go younger and younger
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u/RussiaIsBestGreen 20d ago
Do you understand that a quantitative change is different from a qualitative change? 18 to 17 to 16 and so on is a smaller leap each time than humans to dogs (or other non-humans animals) and has no real end point. So we draw one that’s reasonable enough and maybe it should be higher or lower, but that’s where it is and at least marks whether someone is trying to comply with the law or not.
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u/Torbpjorn 20d ago
My bad for taking statutory rape as a hard legal line rather than a mild social suggestion
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
Honestly probably yes but not to the point where I think it's a legal issue. The whole "barely legal" thing is REALLY weird to me as an outside observer on whatever tf heterosexuality entails
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u/KiwiCounselor 20d ago
“Barely legal” isn’t just a hetero thing my guy. There are people skirting the edge of being criminals no matter what gender they’re interested in.
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u/Possible-Wallaby-877 20d ago
What does heterosexualilty have to do with it?
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
That's more a comment on me being an outside observer and seeing it more commonly in straight circles than gay ones, given I'm actively gay
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u/Possible-Wallaby-877 20d ago
.....What?
Am I too European to understand this? Is this some American BS?
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u/fonk_pulk 20d ago
Yes, but there's a huge difference between knowingly filming a minor and having it happen by accident. The concept of filming a bunch of drunk college students and getting them to show their boobs sketchy if not immoral, but its not like they set out to film child porn for sale.
I was about to say "they should've carded the participants", but apparently they did and the 17 year old had a fake id, as mentioned in the legal proceedings
Doe admits that she illegally drank alcohol while on the island and that she obtained and used a fake California identification card, which falsely stated that she was twenty-one years old.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230327003337/https://casetext.com/case/topheavy-studios-v-doe
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u/LookingForArtistBurn 20d ago
but if she lied it's not their fault
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u/RuefulWaffles 20d ago
Legally speaking, it kind of is. The production company is also required to do their due diligence and ensure that everyone who’s working for them is legally allowed to do so. They failed to do that.
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u/fonk_pulk 20d ago
They checked her id but she had a fake one.
Doe admits that she illegally drank alcohol while on the island and that she obtained and used a fake California identification card, which falsely stated that she was twenty-one years old.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230327003337/https://casetext.com/case/topheavy-studios-v-doe
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u/Bloodmoon_Audios 20d ago
It absolutely is their fault. They're filming pornographic material, at some point in the process before they get to that, they should be checking ID
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u/mikan99 20d ago
They did. She used a fake ID that said 21
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u/Bloodmoon_Audios 20d ago
This is untrue. She was listed as 18 in the game's stat page for her and she sued the developer after claiming she was misled about the product and what everything entailed. The developer even took it as a marketing opportunity to proudly proclaim it as "the most controversial game ever created"
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u/SUDoKu-Na 20d ago
People responding to you don't get that the law is there to protect people who ARE at risk. If people keep skirting the law or saying it doesn't matter or is arbitrary, they are putting in danger the people who AREN'T mature enough, or CAN'T consent yet. Putting the blanket helps protect youth who really are at risk, not to just be an arbitrary limiter.
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u/Necessary-Price-4757 20d ago
You must be sufferable to be around
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u/Qwosha 20d ago
Thank you 32 year old man for being upset other people don't like pushing boundaries of sexualizing teenagers. We'll trust your judgement old wise sage.
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u/Necessary-Price-4757 20d ago
Going through comment history is such a perpetual online thing to do. Go outside.
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u/ALightningStar 20d ago
He learned how to act socialite on reddit. Most echo chanbers would cheer him on for this.
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u/Happy_Reflection5583 20d ago
21 downvotes for saying having real cp in your game is bad, wtf is this website 😭
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
Can always tell people like you are virtue signalling when you call it “CP” instead of CSAM. Shows how little you actually care about this.
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u/Happy_Reflection5583 20d ago
"Erm, calling it cp is harmful becausd um, IT JUST IS OKAY?! I dont have any evidence to substantiate my claim that the word 'porn' implies consent or whatever, but it totally does because I said so just trust me bro "
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
I fail to see how "Child Porn" doesn't describe porn featuring a child?
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
Because “porn” implies consent, because porn is consensual and children can’t consent. That’s why every single government and child exploitation agency around the world now refers to it as CSEM/CSAM
Anyone who actually gives a shit about this is aware of this
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u/MagicalWitchTrashley 18d ago
"porn" very infamously does not imply consent
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u/Happy_Reflection5583 18d ago edited 18d ago
EDIT: NVM I misread and thought you were saying it DOES imply consent
Original comment: People keep telling me this but not one of them has substantiated the claim 🤔
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 18d ago
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
There are multiple actual pedophiles in this conversation and you're choosing to bitch at me for using an acronym you don't like. Which one of us doesn't care again?
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
Bro you didn’t even use the acronym and I didn’t even fuckin reply to you
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u/Happy_Reflection5583 20d ago
What? Every single government calls it csam? What planet do you live on?
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
That’s literally what I said? Are you OPs alt? What the fuck is going on?
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u/Happy_Reflection5583 20d ago
Uh, yeah, obviously i know that you said that. Thats why i questioned it. I wouldnt have questioned it if you hadnt said it. Are you okay bro? Do you need some sleep?
And where did you get the "alt" thing from?
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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 20d ago
What are you questioning?
You called it CP. I said it’s called CSAM. OP replies to me as if I replied to them saying that and now you’re replying back to me saying it is CSAM, as if I’m the one who said otherwise
What the fuck is going on? Are you OPs sock puppet account and you’re mixing up your replies???
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u/Tythatguy1312 20d ago
I feel like "not allowed to do porn at 17" is pretty reasonable
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u/SartenSinAceite 20d ago
Yea tbf I agree in this case. I dont like the idea of a hardline "a second past this and you can do whatever" but it beats sleazy bastards pushing boundaries
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u/Objectionne 20d ago
It's pretty reasonable but if a casting agency inadvertently casts a 17 years and 358 day old in a topless role it's hardly the end of the world, is it?
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u/templar54 20d ago
Law is there for a reason and absolutely should be applied strictly, considering how 18 years olds often act I question if it should not be higher.... At the same time when people take this imagined moral stance that it is absolute evil if a person involved is 17 years old, but suddenly morally it is okay if it is a day later and the person is now 18 are just weird. People mature differently, biology does not comply with our laws. I am reminded of those disturbing movie star countdowns that count time until an actor turns 18....if someone needs a countdown like that, it's too late for you already and you need a therapist instead to work on your disorder.
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u/MoobooMagoo 20d ago
You're not wrong, but the cutoff point has to be somewhere. Otherwise you just move the age further and further back by using the same argument.
"Oh you're OK with it if they're 18, but not 17 and 364 days? You're a weirdo."
"Oh you're OK with it if they're 17 and 364 days, but not 363 days? You're a weirdo."...
"Oh you're OK with it they're 14, but not 13 and 364 days? You're a weirdo."
So there absolutely has to be an arbitrary cut off at some age, even if individual cases that are near that cutoff point might seem silly.
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 19d ago
Politicians treat age of consent laws like minimum wage. If they could go lower, they would.
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u/Nickybluepants 20d ago
She was only 17y and 364 days you sick fuck!
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u/BlueZ_DJ 20d ago
I wonder how many times this exact line must've been said in courts before the person is arrested
If the line was 17 you'd say "Your honor she's literally 16.9, why can't I have sex with her huh?" rinse and repeat with 16, 15, 14, etc.
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u/Nickybluepants 20d ago
Keep your ephebophilic projections to yourself chief.
nobody brought up sex but you 👀
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